Peco / Kato Small England Locos

garrywhiting · October 01, 2021, 08:12

The Peco / Kato Ffestiniog Small England locos are now listed for pre-order on the Hobbysearch Japan website for February 2022 release. Price in Japan ( excluding shipping costs ) is approx £101.

Garry

David Weber · October 01, 2021, 20:56

Best get your pre-orders in while you can: Princess and Prince currently stand at 1st and 7th places in the sales ranking in the model railway section at Hobbysearch, which indicates they are likely to sell out on pre-order with none left over for people who wait for the release date; often happens with popular items!

David Jones · October 20, 2021, 01:29

Can you please post a link?

I went to the site and can't find the item via the search.

David Weber · October 20, 2021, 11:25

Prince:

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10819360

Princess:

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10819343

B.Meldon · October 20, 2021, 11:46

Does anyone know the situation regarding VAT and import duty on imported items from Japan?
It is not just the actual VAT but the handling charges as well.

Stan Williams · October 22, 2021, 20:01

Hattons Model Rlys along with some other traders are quoting.

England locos at £127.50
Separate chassis £55.25

Available Q2 of 2022.

Stan.

David Jones · October 26, 2021, 19:04

Is there a reservation link for just the Chassis?

Hobby · October 27, 2021, 08:58

A quick search of their website reveals...

https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/siteresults.aspx?searchfield=kato&scale=OO9%20Narrow%20Gauge

Retiarius · November 07, 2021, 16:29

I am disapointed to find that the new Peco/Kato small England locos will only available in a DC-only format. Bachmann have sold over 10,000 DCC compatible Baldwins and their new Fairlie has DCC including sound and even the diminutive Quarry Hunslet has a non-sound DCC capability built in. For Peco to not provide a DCC compatible model of the larger England locos is, in my opinion, a major markettng mistake.
If this non-DCC compatibility is to be repeatd with the Peco/Kato Fairlie then I shall not be buying that model.

In my opinion it seems that Peco may have kow-towed to Mr Kato's DC only policy, a policy that they may regret when competing with Bachmann, who I am sure will be looking at providing little England loco variants in the near future!

Alan Pollock · November 07, 2021, 19:29

Quote from: Retiarius on November 07, 2021, 16:29
I am disapointed to find that the new Peco/Kato small England locos will only available in a DC-only format. Bachmann have sold over 10,000 DCC compatible Baldwins and their new Fairlie has DCC including sound and even the diminutive Quarry Hunslet has a non-sound DCC capability built in. For Peco to not provide a DCC compatible model of the larger England locos is, in my opinion, a major markettng mistake.
If this non-DCC compatibility is to be repeatd with the Peco/Kato Fairlie then I shall not be buying that model.

In my opinion it seems that Peco may have kow-towed to Mr Kato's DC only policy, a policy that they may regret when competing with Bachmann, who I am sure will be looking at providing little England loco variants in the near future!

Hi

As a Dcc user I will be avoiding buying a little engine I really don't fancy paying £135 plus postage then going to rewire a locomotive if Bachmann can fit an N gauge 03 and 04 then why can't this locomotive have an next 18 or a 6 pin decoder socket fitted straight from the factory

Thanks
Alan

P.s thanks for bringing this to our attention

Graeme Dunbar · November 07, 2021, 20:05

I'd hazard a guess that it is not just Kato but a Japanese thing, from looking at various web sites there. I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but I understand they are concerned primarily with their domestic market and the UK market is down at noise level.

Alan Pollock · November 07, 2021, 20:13

Quote from: Iain Morrison on November 07, 2021, 19:50
Quote from: Alan Pollock on November 07, 2021, 19:29
... if Bachmann can fit an N gauge 03 and 04 then why can't this locomotive have an next 18 or a 6 pin decoder socket fitted straight from the factory ...

Because KATO only makes DC locos, it was never going to be anything else but DC.

Hi

Even at that I'd still expect some sort of Dcc plug and play it will be interesting to see how well it sells particularly in the UK market having said that it would be interesting to see how many 009 modeller's are using Dcc i bet it will be a surprising number.

Thanks
Alan

Alan Pollock · November 07, 2021, 20:23

Quote from: Iain Morrison on November 07, 2021, 20:14
I think you will find that it is a surprisingly small number using DCC, and very much in the minority.

Hi

In the 009 scale that might be the case as the ready to run market has been neglected until now

Thanks
Alan

Stan Williams · November 07, 2021, 21:39

If you are fresh into 009 modelling, then using DCC could well be the way forward, but if like me,you have been modelling for more
years than you can remember and have a large fleet of locos, then it would be very very expensive to change.

Stan.

B.Meldon · November 08, 2021, 11:20

Quote from: Stan Williams on November 07, 2021, 21:39
If you are fresh into 009 modelling, then using DCC could well be the way forward, but if like me,you have been modelling for more
years than you can remember and have a large fleet of locos, then it would be very very expensive to change.

Stan.

It is not just the fleet of locos that is an issue for me, also all my existing layouts are wired with common return for the track, point motors and every other electrical component. This virtually halves the wires needed, but common return cannot be used with DCC where both the tracks have to be separate from any other non DCC items.