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No tender locos

Started by Stephen Rainsbury, March 03, 2021, 16:47

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Stephen Rainsbury

Sorry to show my lack of prototype knowledge but where would locos like this store their coal if they don't have a tender?  Do they just stoke up in the morning and leave it at that?

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Stephen

Hobby

I don't know about John's loco but on similar ones you will find that the water tank on one side isn't full length but a section nearest the cab is a coal bunker. Its common on many tank locos that don't have space at the back.
Blair

Layouts:
"A Taste of Alber" TTe
"Ostrovia" HOe

B.Meldon

#2
Blair is correct!
On Edgar the bunker is on the left hand side in the rear part of what looks like the side tank.

In this photo you can see the line of rivets that show the divider between the bunker and tank:


(Originating web page: https://www.steamlocomotive.info/valbum.cfm?display=28858)

Here is a link to a photo showing the bunker opening in the cab, the tank is the full length on the right.


(Originating web page: https://www.steamlocomotive.info/valbum.cfm?display=28858)
Brian Meldon

Stephen Rainsbury

Thank you Brian.  Does this mean it would be operated by one person or the normal crew of two people?
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Stephen

Hobby

No hard and fast rule, Stephen, in theory it could be operated by one person (like a miniature loco) but two is always better for safety... As long as there's enough room on the footplate!
Blair

Layouts:
"A Taste of Alber" TTe
"Ostrovia" HOe

Stephen Rainsbury

#5
I watched several Youtube Videos and in most there were two or three people on the plate, bit it looked a bit cozy.
In this one (below) at 6:03 there is a young lady standing on the plate in white trainers and grey hoodies, looking spotless, and not seemingly doing anything. Perhaps she was a trainee.  ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmXXYXZ7CFM
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Stephen

B.Meldon

#6
These small locos were often worked with just one loco crew.

Here are some links to photos of 'Steatite' a 3.25 ton Type 1 Decauville, on the Cobazet Estate railway in France.
This is the prototype for the Jouef loco, the photos show one crew member. (However the jouef loco is somewhat over scale for 00 at about 6mm to the foot!)



Brian Meldon

JulienW

Quote from: Stephen Rainsbury on March 04, 2021, 13:03
Thank you Brian.  Does this mean it would be operated by one person or the normal crew of two people?

As Hobby suggests there's no hard & fast rule. I suspect that when originally in use most 'common carrier' lines would have had 2 loco crew (driver & fireman) along with a guard on the train (though not usually on the footplate) just like the standard gauge main line.

In industrial settings things may have been a little different as alongside the driver you might have someone who not only fired the loco & managed the boiler but would also to get off and change points, flag the loco at level crossings, and do the coupling / uncoupling for any shunting needed.
Julien Webb - 1720