Egger Bahn wheels

[Turin 60]

For what it's worth, in my humble opinion the Jouef couplings were quite clever and not too obtrusive.

John Bruce.

[Stephen Rainsbury]

The end of the toast rack coach steps that were too thin and would snap, later modified with a thicker end to the steps.

What he said.. oh sorry as the youngsters say "word"
I bought one of them from eBay and didn't notice the broken step but neither did the seller and he offered to refund but I kept it and have been trying to make a replacement from plasticard ever since. The big issue is that I can't find exactly the right colour to paint it, but I noticed somebody on the book of faces had repaired his and just painted the whole bottom part black, which actually looked alright.

[rander]

I see on the Peco website they are now advertising Jackson/Romford metal wheels.

[B.Meldon]

That's brilliant. Brass cups should arrive today so if I have no joy I will try Dundas again for the wheels.  I love the appearance of these box vans and the veranda coaches so am willing to replace wheels too, in order to get them running smoothly.

Thanks for all the information and advice on this.

Peter

The bogies and wheels on the Egger tram coach at the end of the train in your photo were made for Egger-bahn by Lima and are not the same as those used on the shorter Egger coaches.

We found that by far the best solution if you want to run the four-wheel Egger bogie coaches and vans reliably is to remove the original bogies and fit Roco/Minitrains log bolster bogies at the ends.

The early egger coaches look even better with far more detail at the ends. In fact the later ones are a bit of a bodge as the bodies retain the original holes for the previous detail, the handrails moulded on the ends of the body are partly covered, they have no windows in the end doors and the window/roof moulding does not fit properly! However the couplings are narrower on the early versions.

Here is a link to a photo of the early pre 1966 version:



(Originating web page: http://www.egger-bahn.nl/smalspoor%20foto_perswagens.html )

[B.Meldon]

The end of the toast rack coach steps that were too thin and would snap, later modified with a thicker end to the steps.

What he said.. oh sorry as the youngsters say "word"
I bought one of them from eBay and didn't notice the broken step but neither did the seller and he offered to refund but I kept it and have been trying to make a replacement from plasticard ever since. The big issue is that I can't find exactly the right colour to paint it, but I noticed somebody on the book of faces had repaired his and just painted the whole bottom part black, which actually looked alright.

I did have the right paint at one time, but I can not find it now as I have two that I have repaired. (Both on shortened coaches used on Meanderbahn.)  I guess it went hard and I binned it! I use tin rather than plastic for the repair as I find it lasts better.

Brian Meldon

[Peter Richardson]

Thanks Brian, interesting to hear of the differences in the Egger Bahn coaches. Earlier version certainly superior!  The bogie coach in my photo runs very well but I made up a Dundas WHR bogie coach to run with it and the bogies were less than free running...not a criticism of the kit more a reflection on my modelling skills.  I used the Roco timber wagons as you mention and it now glides round. My first adaption which actually worked!

[Stefan Krebs]

You pipped me to the post,, and yes, you're right: Romford makes the wheels for Dundas, and these are the ones I'm talking about. Straight spokes are more prototypical than curved spokes, but that's somewhat academic in the context of Eggerbahn.

Brian, you forgot the much more obvious design deviation: the toast rack coach is one sandwich short of a picknick, err, pardon the pun, missing one compartment. The fact that the box shows the correct number of compartments suggests that this was probably a last-minute change, maybe after they found out the coach was too long to negotiate thee tight radius?

Lima sold the 'Fiery Elias' set in their own package (with their own N-gauge track) under their own brand name, at least in Italy. The coach bogies are Italian Y27 (express) coach bogies, somewhat 50 years younger in design than the coaches of the OEG, i.e. completely wrong. Initially every N-gauge coach produced by Lima was fitted with those; yes, complete with the H0 coupling!
It is almost certain that engine and coaches were made by Lima. You can find pictures of these Lima sets on the Internet,


Cheers
Waldschrat

[B.Meldon]

You pipped me to the post,, and yes, you're right: Romford makes the wheels for Dundas, and these are the ones I'm talking about. Straight spokes are more prototypical than curved spokes, but that's somewhat academic in the context of Eggerbahn.

Brian, you forgot the much more obvious design deviation: the toast rack coach is one sandwich short of a picknick, err, pardon the pun, missing one compartment. The fact that the box shows the correct number of compartments suggests that this was probably a last-minute change, maybe after they found out the coach was too long to negotiate thee tight radius?

Lima sold the 'Fiery Elias' set in their own package (with their own N-gauge track) under their own brand name, at least in Italy. The coach bogies are Italian Y27 (express) coach bogies, somewhat 50 years younger in design than the coaches of the OEG, i.e. completely wrong. Initially every N-gauge coach produced by Lima was fitted with those; yes, complete with the H0 coupling!
It is almost certain that engine and coaches were made by Lima. You can find pictures of these Lima sets on the Internet,


Cheers
Waldschrat

If you have read the article in 009 News all about the Jouef range the length of the coaches is explained in some detail.

Again, if you read the article in 009 News all about the Egger tram loco in March 2015 its probable Lima origins are explained, there is even a photo of the Lima N gauge coach and the Egger coach next to each other on page 17. 

Brian Meldon

[Webmaster]

If you have read the article in 009 News all about the Jouef range the length of the coaches is explained in some detail.

Again, if you read the article in 009 News all about the Egger tram loco in March 2015 its probable Lima origins are explained, there is even a photo of the Lima N gauge coach and the Egger coach next to each other on page 17. 

Brian Meldon

The March 2015 issue of 009 News is available in the members-only library on the new website at https://009society.com

[Stefan Krebs]

Dear Brian,

Yes, I read your articles, and noticed that they contained some fiction. Speaking foreign languages sometimes has an advantage, and if you read some Austrian, German, French and Italian web-sites, you'll know where the truth lies.

There are excellent web-sites, where former Liliput employees confirm some speculations, and debunk some myth.    8)


Cheers
Waldschrat

[B.Meldon]

Dear Brian,

Yes, I read your articles, and noticed that they contained some fiction. Speaking foreign languages sometimes has an advantage, and if you read some Austrian, German, French and Italian web-sites, you'll know where the truth lies.

There are excellent web-sites, where former Liliput employees confirm some speculations, and debunk some myth.    8)


Cheers
Waldschrat

can you please provide links to these web sites so we can all see the information.

[Stefan Krebs]

Dear Brian,

Certainly not.

You're a funny man, if I may say so. Do you think I keep an archive of every web-page I ever visited, i.e. a hundred or so each week?
If at all, I copy the web-sites into word documents for future reference; which I can't post here for obvious reasons.
I had bad experiences where web-sites with important information have vanished.

And in this particular case, most of these web-sites do not come up by searching 'Eggerbahn' or similar, I chanced upon them when looking for other information, in quite a few cases not even model railway related topics.

Here is one:
http://www.bahnmuseum.at/
...and I think it has the citation of the former Liliput employees somewhere.

Sorry, but can you keep your requests reasonable, please?


Cheers
Waldschrat

[Hobby]

With respect, W, if you make claims such as you have done in this case which challenge someone's own research and which has different results you will be asked to provide proof of the evidence of your claims. There is far too much "false information" floating around the internet these days so a request for the sources so that claims can be verified is perfectly reasonable. I am sure that if your claims could be verified Brian would be only too happy to change his articles to make them more accurate as that is the goal of any researcher, accuracy. A refusal to provide that information, though, can only lead to one conclusion, which is that the information is false or gossip and therefore can be ignored.

Based on some of the rubbish people spout these days "having read it on the 'net" and therefore assume it is true I only wish more people would challenge the stuff they read and question it's origins.

[Malcolm]

Waldschrat.   I agree with Blair (Hobby) on this one.  It is not unreasonable for Brian to ask you back up your assertions with proof and you are being unreasonable if you think otherwise.  Until such time as you do back up your assertions that Brian is peddling fiction with some proof I, for one, will continue to treat Brian's research on Egger-Bahn and Jouef as gospel. 
Malcolm

[Tom Haythornthwaite]

I have to agree; remarks like...

Yes, I read your articles, and noticed that they contained some fiction. Speaking foreign languages sometimes has an advantage, and if you read some Austrian, German, French and Italian web-sites, you'll know where the truth lies.

...are not helpful unless they are supported with citations.  It is quite understandable that the individual does not remember or archive everything he reads, but as that is the case, he is not in a position to make such an assertion.