Egger-bahn Wagon on the Cover of the April 009 News

[B.Meldon]

It was nice to see on the cover of the April 009 News the Egger-bahn stanchion wagon complete with the red Anguplas 'Mini Cars' No 43 'Le Zebre' looking good on Dave Simpson & Rachael Field's 'Wisteria Collop' layout over 50 years after the wagon was first made!

I never got around to righting the full article all about the many versions of these Egger-bahn stanchion wagons.
But in short they came with:

Red 'Le Zebre'
Yellow 'Le Zebre'
Cream 'Le Zebre'
Blue 'Le Zebre'
Black 'Model T' (Again an Anguplas product)
Grey Preiser cement mixer.
and without any load.

All the above had two versions, one version without axle box detail and the other with axle box detail.

There was also a 1980's version with no load that had axle box detail and black wheel insulators. (The egger-bahn German examples have clear plastic wheel insulators.)

Preiser later made the cement mixer in other colour plastics in the 1990's, but obviously this was long after production of the Egger wagon stopped.

I have also seen other Anguplas cars as well as other vehicles like the Preiser threshing machine on these wagons, but these are later additions not original Egger fitted items.

Brian Meldon

[Hobby]

Just a slight spellcheck, Brian, but shouldn't it be a "Le Zebre" car, it's not an animal! As per:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E686-Anguplas-Mini-Cars-43-1-86-Le-Zebre-BOITE-SEUL-b-/162605964499

[B.Meldon]

Just a slight spellcheck, Brian, but shouldn't it be a "Le Zebre" car, it's not an animal! As per:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E686-Anguplas-Mini-Cars-43-1-86-Le-Zebre-BOITE-SEUL-b-/162605964499

Yes corrected now!

Brian Meldon

[WALLSHIRTS]

I've got one with the yellow car and black insulators.
Mal.

[B.Meldon]

I've got one with the yellow car and black insulators.
Mal.

Does it have no axle box detail?



Or does it have the later type with axle box detail?



(Both photos from the following web site: http://www.egger-bahn.nl/smalspoor%20foto_lorrie.html)

In general, the black wheel insulators were made by Jouef in France from 1968 to 1972, and again in the 1980's, the clear ones were made by Egger-bahn in Germany up to 1968. But there is some doubt about the very end of production in Germany in this regard on the bogies and small four wheel trucks. There is also a possibility that Jouef purchased some cars along with the moulding dies in 1968 so some may have been produced by Jouef.
In general, it should have the clear plastic insulators if it has a car fitted so I would look in detail at the car to see if it is an original.
But it may well have had the wheels or even bogies changed at some point, so it could still be an Egger-bahn item, it will all depend on the detail of the car, but at the end of the day if the car is correct there is no way to know for sure if it is an original or a later added car! (See the next post.)


Brian Meldon

[B.Meldon]

Because the addition of a car to these Egger-bahn wagons significantly increases the sale value I have seen several that have had later produced or incorect cars added so it is perhaps a good idea to know how to spot the correct version of the cars.

Anguplas made two versions of the Le Zebre car. One had more detail than the other, Egger-bahn used the less detailed version that did not have a clear plastic windscreen and the tyres on the wheels were the same light grey as the wheel centres. (The more detailed versions had black tyres and a plastic windscreen.)

The black Anguplas Model T car used by egger-bahn did have the clear plastic windscreen, but again had light grey tyres the same as the inner part of the wheel.)

It should also be noted that other manufactures later produced the same car models using the same moulding dies well into the 1990

[Hobby]

Just in case anyone was wondering, this is the car manufacturer concerned...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Z%C3%A8bre

[Malcolm]

Brian
As ever your depth of knowledge never fails to amaze me.  Any chance you could be persuaded to write up the full article on the stanchion wagons?  (And any other Egger-bahn not yet yet given the full treatment!)
Malcolm

[B.Meldon]

Brian
As ever your depth of knowledge never fails to amaze me.  Any chance you could be persuaded to write up the full article on the stanchion wagons?  (And any other Egger-bahn not yet yet given the full treatment!)
Malcolm

I stopped doing the Egger-bahn articles for 009 news because I felt that the interest was waning.

There can-not be many 009 members that care one jot about the colour of the wheel insulators or if the car is original or not, most just get them because they look good and the same applies to most of the variations within the Egger-bahn range.

The next one (part 15) should have been all about the four-wheel bogie wagons, but I never finished it. As well as declining interest one other reason for stopping was that there are a couple of variations of the four-wheel bogie vans that I do not have in my collection to photograph for the article! This would have made it a bit difficult. I had hopped to get these quite quickly, but sadly none have come up for sale! (This happens quite a lot with the more uncommon Egger items and more so as my 'wants' list get smaller and smaller.)

As the white mineral water van has an interesting back story I may well have separated the box vans and open bogie wagons from the tankers and ballast wagons that also have an interesting background and made two articles??

The one after that would have been about the four-wheel wagons, i.e. the box vans, the short open wagons and the milk wagon.

Next would probably had been the one about the stanchion wagon and the livestock wagon.

The final part would have been all about the track.

As well as the Egger-bahn articles I have also completed an in-detail article about the Jouef (not Egger) H0e range, complete with photos of all the range, I intended this for the 50th anniversary of the launch at the 1966 toy fair but in the end, I never sent it in to 009 News!

Since I typed the Egger articles I have found out more information so some corrections and additions are needed to the previous articles as well.

Brian Meldon

[Tom Haythornthwaite]

Brian, I would read and enjoy your articles as long as you worked so hard to prepare them.

[danny]

Would it be possible to find a photo from another source if you are unable to get the wagons themselves?
Danny

[WALLSHIRTS]

The car looks correct but I can't see underneath it. The bogies have the detailed axle boxes. The model does not appeared to be tampered with. I was enjoying your articles in the 'News by the way.
Mal.

[Stan Williams]

I always thought the stanchion wagons where the best Egger wagons produced, but alas they where a b----- to keep on the tracks.

Nice to look at but thats about all.

I am glad the hobby has moved on and likely to continue moving on, even when I am no longer around.

Stan.

[MickT]

I was enjoying your articles in the 'News by the way.

Same here Brian, the ones you have had published have very much become the "go to" authoritative references for Eggerbahn as well as being simply interesting and informative to read. I would very much appreciate and enjoy it if you decide that you are able to continue in the knowledge that it is clear that a number of members really did hold an interest in the articles.

I would also find it very interesting if the other parts of what is now termed to be "early 009/HOe" RTR products were covered in similar articles - Liliput and Roco certainly as they are still producing, original Minitrains and a bit about the history there - eg the "AHM" American side of things, plus of course Playcraft/Jouef.

If you are looking for something to fill your free time with, then there is certainly an audience (and probably an eager 009 News Editor) waiting for your attention!

Mick

[B.Meldon]

I was enjoying your articles in the 'News by the way.

Same here Brian, the ones you have had published have very much become the "go to" authoritative references for Eggerbahn as well as being simply interesting and informative to read. I would very much appreciate and enjoy it if you decide that you are able to continue in the knowledge that it is clear that a number of members really did hold an interest in the articles.

I would also find it very interesting if the other parts of what is now termed to be "early 009/HOe" RTR products were covered in similar articles - Liliput and Roco certainly as they are still producing, original Minitrains and a bit about the history there - eg the "AHM" American side of things, plus of course Playcraft/Jouef.

If you are looking for something to fill your free time with, then there is certainly an audience (and probably an eager 009 News Editor) waiting for your attention!

Mick

I think if I recall I did an article for the News all about the inside frame Roco H0e locos??? I will have to look up the date but it was probably about 10 years ago now at least and I may know more now than I did then, and Roco have updated the chassis since then as well.

As to the Liliput H0e range its origins are very much tied into Egger-bahn with the first appearance of what became the Liliput Ziller plank sides coaches on the 1967 Egger-bahn stand at the Nuremberg toy fair!

I may well send the Jouef one into the news, I will have to give a read through again first and check all the photos are ok.

Brian Meldon