The Society Heritage Collection

[Hobby]

Agreed... Thanks Mick, looking at them confirms my view about having them in display cases next to modern models to show how far we have come... They are superb models and show the lengths they had to go to make models, something we are lucky these days that we don't have to do... With someone alongside to explain their significance I'm sure they'll make a good "marketing tool" to get new members into the Society...

[clayliner]

Stan -  "forum n. public meeting place for open discussion; an event, broadcast or medium where views may be aired and debated [P*ID]." Do we really want to restrict (beyond the obvious, of course) the topics which can and can't be discussed here?

Brian -  you're right in saying that the NGRM forum is more visited, but as this is  a specifically Society matter I thought it more appropriate to post the thread here. If people want to join the discussion they can always contribute here (provided they're members, of course)!

Charlie -  welcome, and I'm pleased (and relieved!) that you're finding all this helpful and entertaining. Are you, as a Society Officer, comfortable with this sort of discussion being carried on here?

David.

*P=Penguin (I'm assuming that's published by, not published for)

[Hobby]

I think this is a private forum rather than public, though I agree that the principle is the same, it's here to discuss all things Society (and modelling!) so it's the best place outside specific Society events (such as the AGM or Convention) to chat. I certainly don't think that NGRM is the place, quite frankly it's our collection and business!

[MickT]

I don't always agree with you Blair, but this time I certainly do!

This thread is specifically about Society property, and therefore is the sole business of the members of the Society, particularly where in this case, there have been some critical comments about the way that the Collection has been managed and evolved over the years (and going back to my own original posting in this topic, not always accurately but by assumption). It has NO business whatsoever on NGRM which has many members who are nothing to do with the 009 Society, don't pay subs to it and therefore don't need to know the ins and outs of how the Society goes about its business!

Chatham House Rules please - what goes on inside the club and is discussed inside the club stays in the club!

Mick

[Stan Williams]

With due respect David, i do not think you read my answer correctly.

I certainly was not stating that discussions should not take place on the Forum, my objection was the possible singling out of an elected official or committee members.

I certainly hope that no one would go to those measures in our Society, but if they did, I am sure the Society Directors would look on it very
seriously.

Stan.

[Charlie Insley]

Chaps, no problem at all with the discussion that's taken place on here - in fact the most appropriate environment for it, since as has been pointed out already, this is our forum and our collection.  As I say, this is all helpful discussion and I will feed it into our deliberations in January.  I would just reiterate the point i think that Stan was trying to make, which is that we're all quite busy people, so may not respond as quickly as you like, and may not spend as much time on these forums as we'd like.

Carry on!

Charlie

[paul ludlow]

Mick T. I look at your photo reports on your blogspot thingy. i find them really useful to see shows i couldn't attend and often see things i missed at shows i did attend! i for one would miss your reports, Regards, Paul.

[danny]

Mick T. I look at your photo reports on your blogspot thingy. i find them really useful to see shows i couldn't attend and often see things i missed at shows i did attend! i for one would miss your reports, Regards, Paul.

Second that.

[MickT]

Thank you Danny and Paul.

I made the comment regarding (sic) I wonder why I bother...........etc simply in the context of this topic as I have frequently included photos of Heritage Collection items that have been presented in Society display cases at events in my reports including captions with summary information about them, and particularly cited the 2 events where I can remember a number of the significantly historic items were photographed and included, yet a frequent comment that people say is that "they've never seen items from the collection", "they have only ever seen a couple of photos in the last xxx years" etc.

As a number of members are aware, i have had to severely curtail my roving reporter activities this year to the extent that I am currently unable to continue doing them for the foreseeable future , but this is because of ill health in my family which has taken all my time and energy, nothing to do with throwing toys out of the pram about the Heritage Collection.

Once it has been established what the current status and content of the collection is, I would be happy, if asked, to take a new set of photos showing items from the collection posed in a scenic setting as distinct from a bare background catalogue setting to support somebody else doing historical summary write ups for the News, or/and for the Society website, if I am invited to at some point.

[gtmspyder]

Hello Mick and thank you for the link.  :)

The pictures with suitable captions, just want transferring to the members layout page or a new page created similar, called "The 009 heritage collection", or whatever, and away we go. ;D

The Magazine can draw from this at it's own pace with reference to the online version, for none forum members, who might not want to wait for the magazine to find it's Roundtuit gizmo. :laugh:

Very well done as ever sir. :angel:

Kind regards,

BrianT

PS. I posted the above, not realising that a further page had materialised, and I thought we were at the bottom of page eight still.

Having now read page nine, and seen the reference to my comments re the Narrow Gauge Online forum, are we so insular to think that no one else could possibly be bothered about the models and modellers who preceded us and gave us so much enjoyment through the pages of magazines and books.

Yes we have the toys, and they are being looked after very well, so well done.

But what I said was:-    I know that a lot of 009 members frequent the narrow Gauge on Line forum, where any posting receives an almost immediate response, of help, critique or whatever, then perhaps the past eight pages of debate should move over to that forum, where it will get a wider response I am sure. 
This was reference to the very few members who populate the 009 Forum, especially if some senior members do not appear to take part

If nothing else, my reference to the NGRMO shook a few trees, and if that dislodged a few conkers, then so be it.

Regards,

BrianT.

[clayliner]

Mick -

Thanks for your very generous offer to re-photograph the Collection for the benefit of us all.

I presume you will have to wait until after the Committee meeting in January to get a definitive response.

David.

[Malcolm]

May I also give you a vote of thanks Mick for volunteering to take some new photos of the collection.  However I must admit a little surprise at this offer.   As a former member of HM armed forces  :police: did you momentarily forget your training ????  You should know never take one step forward whilst everyone else takes one step back!!! ;D :-* :laugh:

Well done, I'm right behind you! ;)

Malcolm

[danny]

The pictures with suitable captions, just want transferring to the members layout page or a new page created similar, called "The 009 heritage collection", or whatever, and away we go. ;D

The Magazine can draw from this at it's own pace with reference to the online version, for none forum members, who might not want to wait for the magazine to find it's Roundtuit gizmo. :laugh:

Note that the members layouts page ( http://009society.com/mems_layouts.php ) is accessed from the main 009 society website, you don't have to be a forum member to access it. Even those who are not society members at all can view it  :)

I would also like to thank Mick for his offer to photograph the collection. Would it be sensible to include images of related historic items - e.g. the Edinburgh and Lothians PDH collection - on the same page? (obviously with permission and with captions pointing out that these items are not owned by the 009 Society)

[MickT]

Mick -

Thanks for your very generous offer to re-photograph the Collection for the benefit of us all.

I presume you will have to wait until after the Committee meeting in January to get a definitive response.

David.

I wouldn't think so David, it doesn't need have a committee meeting for one of the elected Directors to invite me (or anyone else who has a camera, you only have to point the things nowadays the camera does all the rest!). It might need a committee meeting to decide (I have to remind everyone that this is deciding again, 9 years after the committee previously unanimously decided) what the direction and policy for the collection is to be (again!) but it doesn't have to wait for that to happen to be able to photograph it!

Mick

PS Thanks Danny for your words. Your idea about including non-Society owned but equally historic items such as the PDH collection in the care of the Edinburgh and Lothians MRC sounds very attractive - If this is possible. Malcolm may be able to offer an opinion on this one.

I wouldn't think there would be a problem in non-Society members being able to see photos of the collection, that is one of the points of it all - helping to encourage people to join the Society by letting them see some of the historical models from the early days of the hobby.  In fact non-Society members can see the photos I linked to now on my own website and nobody has ever complained about that (although as I said earlier, it seems that very few people have bothered to take note of the photos on my website anyway, judging by the comments about never seeing photos of the heritage collection items!).

The thing that non-Society members should not be party to is the sort of discussions going on between members here, which is why this sort of thread should be confined to this forum and not opened out to NGRM-Online.

Malcolm, you are quite correct, an age related aberration on my part to ignore Rule 1 - never volunteer for anything, but I've done it now, fortunately the cost of film and developing is much reduced since the introduction of digi cameras!

[danny]

I wouldn't think there would be a problem in non-Society members being able to see photos of the collection, that is one of the points of it all - helping to encourage people to join the Society by letting them see some of the historical models from the early days of the hobby.  In fact non-Society members can see the photos I linked to now on my own website and nobody has ever complained about that (although as I said earlier, it seems that very few people have bothered to take note of the photos on my website anyway, judging by the comments about never seeing photos of the heritage collection items!).

Sorry, I probably didn't make myself very clear initially. What I meant was that since the main website is accessible to non-forum members we don't necessarily have to worry too much about providing an alternative way of seeing the collection via the 009 News. It would still be interesting to have a few articles but I suspect some people would like to look at the photos on the website at their own pace while others may have little or no interest. As you say, complaining just because non-members can see photos of the collection would be exactly the wrong way to do things! Anyone can see the collection when it attends exhibitions after all.