Would this be too big???

[MickT]

Julien,

Ref your earlier comment on the Kitson 2-8-4 model - Roger Christian has built a pair of Meridian/Centre Models Kitsons as 2-8-2T locos using the old Bachmann 2-8-0 (white box) chassis that were in 009 News years ago, during Hugh Norwood's editorial reign - one of them was on the front cover so the issue should be relatively straightforward to track down (I don't have time to rake through my pile at the moment, sorry). I took a photo of one of them piloting Ted Polet's scale L&MV Kitson at the Kegworth Convention last year which is shown in the 2 page centre spread in 009 News Vol 41 issue 2 - November 2013.

Alan Feldon has also built and described a whole raft of Kitson bashes including several 8 coupled varieties which if I remember correctly also had at least one freelanced version of the Barsi/Cyprus 4-8-4 varieties amongst them. These were described and illustrated (and are probably still accessible) around 2 or 3 years ago on NGRM-Online.

Hope this helps.

Mick

[Ross Chapman]

Julien,

Ref your earlier comment on the Kitson 2-8-4 model - Roger Christian has built a pair of Meridian/Centre Models Kitsons

Mick I am assuming these would be brass / whitemetal kits?

Alan Feldon has also built and described a whole raft of Kitson bashes including several 8 coupled varieties which if I remember correctly also had at least one freelanced version of the Barsi/Cyprus 4-8-4 varieties amongst them. These were described and illustrated (and are probably still accessible) around 2 or 3 years ago on NGRM-Online.

Hope this helps.

Mick

I have been poking through NGRM-Online (registered there too!) but I haven't seen that at all. Is Alan on NGRM under his own name or a psuedonom?

[tedp]

The Meridian (ex Centre Models) Kitson is whitemetal. But I think I saw an announcement that it isn't available right now. You might find one in the second hand Sales stand, but they're not easy to find.

I built one on an etched chassis. If that is beyond what you wish to tackle, any big N gauge chassis is suitable if you modify the footplate. Roger's 2-8-2 is such a modification, and a very good-looking one.

Here is Mick's photo, copied from the Dutch Group website. Roger's loco is piloting mine:



PS Alan Feldon is on NGRM under his own name.

[Ross Chapman]

Hum, that actually looks like it has had no modifications to the kit at all bar the obvious of that needed to fit the chassis.

I wonder what else would be suitable kit wise to "bash" into altenate wheel arrangements. I suppose I would need to stick with slightly larger designs to get them to work without a significant amount of modifications. Possibly a Roxey "Famagusta" type for a smaller 2-8-2T

I will have a poke through NGRM and try and find Alan's thread on them.

[Alan Feldon]

Ross
I go under my own name on NGRM on line
If someone will tell me how to put pictures on here I will gladly post some.Alternatively send me a PM on the other site and I will send you some.The kitson kit can easily be modified by just cutting bits out of the footplate to accomodate many different types of chassis,and i have even built one of roofing lead which is a hefty beast.
A photo of my CGR appeared in 009 news but I don't know when.

[Ross Chapman]

Hi Alan,

I will send you a PM on NGRM as soon as I get home (I can't access it here at work for some reason despite being able to get on here!). I would be very interested to see what you have been able to do with them.

Not sure if it would work, but I was considering getting some L&B MW bodyshell kits and bashing them into "bigger" types with a more colonial outline. I am guessing they are quite narrow though but I don't have any idea of the real world dimensions of them.

[DeadHorse]

The old Chivers (Now Five79) Sittingbourne & Kemsley RC12 & Welshpool RC17 'Joan' have a decidedly colonial appearance and may lend themselves to various chassis configurations.

[Ross Chapman]

Hum, thats a good idea. What's the difference between the prototypes of Five79's RC12 and the RC17, they both look about the same size to me (and both are 0-6-2Ts)?

[Elmgate]

They both have a similar ancestry - RC12 is the Bagnall 0-6-2T from Bowaters/Sittingbourne and Kemsley. This was itself based on a Kerr Stuart design, which had variously the class Baretto and Matary. RC 17 is a Kerr Stuart design, which was, again developed from the Matary. I am informed that it is a Matary design, with a Haig(?) boiler. They share the same wheelbase, and this is close to the Bachmann/Farish 08 outside frame diesel, making them candidates for the RT models cylinder/motion conversion kit.

[Ross Chapman]

Ahh ok that makes sense, they both look like they are mid-sized designs so I think they would work quite well for me without completely overpowering the layout.

[Ross Chapman]

Hum, I found a potential new engine - after seeing Alan Plant's 0-6-2 modification of the Roxey Mouldings 2-6-0 (LOK5), I was considering if this plus some of the 2-6-2T (LOK6) might make up a good fleet?

[JulienW]

Hum, I found a potential new engine - after seeing Alan Plant's 0-6-2 modification of the Roxey Mouldings 2-6-0 (LOK5), I was considering if this plus some of the 2-6-2T (LOK6) might make up a good fleet?

Yes, I think they would.

The prototypes, along with the Cyprus 4-4-0 locos, were designed with interchangeable parts (certainly boilers and fireboxes on all 2 and probably a lot more of the 6-coupled types) which meant less spares needed to keep the fleet running, ideal when your spares have to come from the other side of the Atlantic!

As to the Roxey kits the chassis - Farish 2-6-2 GWR Prairie - is (akaik) available new and widely available second hand, though it might be worth looking at the BR 'ivatt' type (3mt?) 2-6-2 tanks as these have the more correct Walscherts valve gear and might fir without too much modification to the body other than some fettleing (and perhaps no more than needed with the designed chassis).  It might also be worth considering the 4-4-0 (LOK4?) too but the drawback there is that the chassis - Farish Midland 'Compound' - can be hard to come by. Having built a couple of the 2-6-2s (and one of the 4-4-0s) there were no major problems, though the long footplate is easily bent (easily straightened too) and this can affect the front chassis fixing screw, and on the 4-4-0 I had to do a fair bit of fetteling to get the chassis screw to line up with the hole in the footplate.

Here are my pair of 2-6-2 tanks on the GWR Prairie chassis...


I really must do something about the airspace over the pony trucks.

And they could probably do with revisiting the paint shops!

[Ross Chapman]

Hum well that makes things seem much simpler, they are very nice looking locomotives. I will try and get them. I have found that you can get the new Dapol Prairie chassis for

[invercloy]

Hum well that makes things seem much simpler, they are very nice looking locomotives. I will try and get them. I have found that you can get the new Dapol Prairie chassis for

[Ross Chapman]

I'm not 100% sure but as it looks like its one of the newer Dapol locos I would assume it has a DCC socket as nearly all the other Dapol steam locos I have seen do. If the Britannia chassis wasn't tender drive I would be tempted to see if I could fit that under one of those tanks.

Mind you I suppose it could be tried using a 4MT chassis but that would be more expensive!