new Minitrains loco and stock

[petersmith1942]

Bit surprised nothing on our forum about the new Minitrains diesel Gmeinder and rolling stock. Andreas is doing a great job with Minitrains and our already healthy scale could get another real boost
Peter Smith

[garrywhiting]

Bit surprised nothing on our forum about the new Minitrains diesel Gmeinder and rolling stock. Andreas is doing a great job with Minitrains and our already healthy scale could get another real boost
Peter Smith

Well, Andreas only announced them very recently. To view go to  www.minitrains.eu

There are two more locos and more rolling stock to come, probably to be announced at the Nurnberg ( Nuremberg ) Trade Toy Fair, which hopefully wil become available later in the year.

Garry

[B.Meldon]

So as I was informed back in October the latest new Minitrains loco is an Egger-bahn No1 diesel look alike:

I have been told the reason this loco was chosen was that it requires a gear driven chassis and now it has been produced the other locos that require the same chassis, like the contractors loco (No4), the tram, railcar and electric locos will be cheaper to produce.

Unfortunately like the Egger-bahn loco before it there is little resemblance to the prototype that looks like this:



(Originating web page http://feldbahnmuseum-wiesloch.de/index.php?id=23)

Personally I think it would have been better in green rather than blue, but I suppose that is all down to personal choice. Perhaps a green version will be available at some date in the future.

From what I have been told the next loco will be based on

[B.Meldon]

By the way of a comparison here is a 1964 silver Egger-bahn No1:



Brian Meldon

[rod335]

Just noticed from the Minitrains webpage that the steam loco we've always known as a Baldwin is now described as a Porter. That's going to take some getting used to! I assume the date of 1953 is a mistype for 1963 Brian. I wasn't aware the gear coupled diesel loco appeared in 1964, my (original) catalogue for 1964 showing the first steam loco (on an insert) as 'new for 1964' shows the single axle drive diesel. The gear coupled variant appears in my 1966 catalogue along with the electric loco, the contractor's loco and diesels in silver.

Rod

[garrywhiting]

Just noticed from the Minitrains webpage that the steam loco we've always known as a Baldwin is now described as a Porter. That's going to take some getting used to! Rod

Which Minitrains webpage are you looking at Rod ? I have just checked Andreas Schoenfeld's www.minitrains.eu and the loco is still correctly described as a Baldwin.

The prototype for the model is the 30" gauge Baldwin 44823 of 1917 which was the Novia Scotia Steel & Coal Company's no.5 which still exists.

[rod335]

I saw it on the American page, I only went into it to see if there were any differences to the UK one!

Rod

[gallopingalice]

For the record, I've recently purchased several of the new Minitrains locomotives, from Brian-the-shop.
I find them quite charming, regardless of their parentage. They heft well from the box and run very tidily on the track. The common chassis reflects in very similar performance across the range.
The new wagons have outside frames and much tidier couplings.
The locos sit well with the new Peco wagons as well as a mottly collection of other 009 vehicles, so I'm well chuffed indeed and commend them all to the membership.
Regards Richard

[petersmith1942]

with luck we will have more to be pleased about in the coming months
Peter Smith

[B.Meldon]

For those that have not seen a photo of the prototype for the N.S.S&C Co. Ltd loco here it is:



(Originating web page: http://www.images.technomuses.ca/searchpf.php?id=86718&lang=en)

The loco survives, although somewhat rebuilt, and it is on display at the Museum of Industry 147 North Foord Street, Stellarton, Nova Scotia:



Originating web page:
http://museum.gov.ns.ca/moi/en/home/collectionresearch/locomotives/morelocomotives.aspx

Here is a photo of the prototype for the Kraus loco

[Tigger]

Brian, many thanks for posting the photo of the prototype - I hadn't seen it before and it shows what a good representation the model is.

As far as anything else goes, if they ever do a Sandy River 2-6-2, I don't care if it does come out a bit short or whatever, I'll bite their arm off!!

[petersmith1942]

Tigger
I agree with all your comments; expect the next Minitrains developments to use basically the same chassis. We may hope the Heljan Land B loco might have 2-6-2 tender loco possibilities?
I do like Brians pics, something for News maybe. For its time the Baldwin was very good except the front profile; not familiar enough with the European locos to comment
Might be interesting to collect pics of prototypes on this thread of locos suitable for the Minitrains Convention challenge?
Trouble is I dont know how to upload pics.......
Peter Smith

[B.Meldon]

Yes indeed both the Baldwin and the Plymouth are quite accurate models of the prototypes, and very good indeed by the standards of the 1960's.

However as I mentioned the 'Krauss' is, somewhat too short, and the Gmeinder and the Koppel have little in common with any prototype by those names!

I think there is more to the 2-6-2 than idle speculation on my part David. But this must not be regarded as fact, as I could be incorrect!

I was told some time ago that there was an intention to finish off what was intended back in  the Egger-bahn 'New for 1967' leaflet:



Personally I think that had the 2-6-2 been produced in 1967 it would have been a complete game changer in regard to US outline r-t-r H0e.

As to using the prototype photos in 009 News, they are all off the internet so I do not hold the copyright.

There is more to the story about the 'New for 1967' items but that will have to wait until I get to them in the Egger-bahn story series in 009 News.

Brian Meldon

[gallopingalice]

I see that the Koppel loco chassis, (part no. 5030/5031) is quite different to the Krauss/Stainz locos chassis and the available steam chassis.
richard 6080

[B.Meldon]

I see that the Koppel loco chassis, (part no. 5030/5031) is quite different to the Krauss/Stainz locos chassis and the available steam chassis.
richard 6080

That's interesting  Richard...

I think the diesel chassis is gear driven and the Koppel is rod driven. The cylinders are attached to the body on the Koppel but are attached to the chassis on the Kraus but in what other way is the Kraus chassis different to the Koppel?

Here is the dimensions PDF from the 009 Society web site:

http://www.009society.com/convention40/chassis-dimensions.pdf

Brian Meldon