Taken from the Isle Ornsay thread to allow that to continue purely with layout construction as opposed to stock...
I've been working on some new carriages for Isle Ornsay, based on MickT's principals of ratiobashing which he has outlined in the News on a couple of occasions.
This is how the collection stands at present:
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I'm off to Barton le Clay this coming weekend to help man the Narrow Planet stand - is anyone else going?
Quote from: Tigger on January 17, 2012, 12:39
Tom, this collection looks excellent - well done! It does make me wish that I'd got a larger loading gauge for the L&TR though! Mick's work on Ratio coaches is truly excellent and along with the articles in the News is splendidly inspirational. Will you be using a two-colour livery?
I must finish that rake of new coaches which has been half-built for far too long...
On the other matter, yes - it might be an idea if you transferred this thread to the Rolling Stock section!
Sadly it's unlikely that I'll get to Barton on Sunday.
Thanks David, they are heavily inspired by L&LSR carriages.
I won't be using a two tone livery, the reason being that, in the documents I found for the HLR at the National Archives in Kew, it suggests that the stock would have been provided and operated by the North British Railway. So all stock will carry NBR livery. Locos olivey green (no one seems to know the definitive colour and it changed quite a lot), carriages are maroon with gold lettering and vermillion end panels, and goods stock brown or grey depending on the item.
As they say on Blue Peter, here's one I prepared earlier:
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This should give a fair indication of how the batch I'm working on at present should look when complete. They should have gold lining around all the panelling, but I'm not that brave! The main colour is Citadel Colour (Games workshop) scab red, I love using these paints as they're so easy to work with.
Oh very nice indeed Tom! Well done. Yes, as you say, the NBR livery was at best variable! It wasn't unknown to find a loco in a different shade of green from its tender!
Thanks David. I've managed to find a decent approximation of NBR loco green (or at least a good representation of at least one shade that was used around the period I'm modelling) by mixing two Citadel Colour paints 50/50. When I get a 'mainline' loco ready to paint I'll put more details in a thread on here.
That sounds like a good plan. It also means you can mix it 60/40, 70/30 etc etc to get an authentic variety of NBR loco green!! ;D
Now I will be playing devil's advocate for a change. How authentic can you make NBR green since there are no colour photos of the original thing? Even the remaining NBR 0-6-0 that is or was in the Glasgow museum may or may not have been in the correct shade. Old paint surfaces recovered during restoration of old stock?
I think any close approximation will do. ;)
Otherwise, excellent modelling, Tom. And I like the dark red brake, as I said in the other forum!
Absolutely, Ted, it's been difficult. Apparently all the NBR locos still about are either the wrong colour from their restoration onwards, or are in a different livery.
I just used paintings and postcards of what I could to find a colour that's close enough for me, and easy to mix. I'll probably get told its wrong by A. Nasal of Tunbridge Wells at an exhibition, but it'll be difficult to prove any colour of NBR locos is right or wrong, so i don't mind ;)
Over the colour issue, fear not
Yes, I think weathering plays its part as well, probably even more than subtle differences in the original colour. I don't think we should worry too much, as long as the colour we use is close to what the prototype is thought to have been.
Total distraction but sort of relevant I think............
I'm quite keen on red & cream as a coach livery as some already know (!). Although my evolved final coach livery is quite different from the Donegal colours, being more akin to Isle of Man in the red actually, I have collected lots of colour photos etc of the Donegal and models of the Donegal so like most, I have a fair idea implanted in my brain as to what "geranium red & cream" looks like.
So, when I visited Donegal for the first time in 2009, I was very surprised to see restored railcar trailer number 5 body outside Donegal station in what I can best describe as geranium red and yellow or ochre rather than cream. When I mentioned this to a member of CDRRL who was present he was absolutely adamant that the yellow colour was correct as according to him that was the colour that all Donegal railcars and coaches etc took on due to the "soft" atmospheric conditions and the smoke from peat fires. This is not a wind up - this was told to me in all seriousness.
The colour does not match any photos I have seen nor does it match the colour of railcar 18 that runs on the preserved Finn Valley but it does show that colour is a very subjective thing and if somebody who lives locally and has an indelible personal memory of what a particular colour was in real life some 60 years or more ago, then there is no convincing that person that his memory may be slightly distorted!
Back to Tom's thread subject!
Mick
Quote from: tedp on January 20, 2012, 10:12
"...close to what the prototype is thought to have been."
What a lovely get-out Ted! :)
To follow Mick's drift a little, I believe the true GWR 'cream' was far closer to white that we imagine and the varnish discoloured similarly to 'cream' fairly rapidly. The rake of GWR clerestories I built back in 1979 used a very yellowish Humbrol 'cream'. It might not be right but it looks lovely!
NOW back to Tom's thread!!
I agree with Ted - what happened in the paint shops was nothing to what the atmosphere did within weeks of going into service. Anything 'sort-of-roundabout-there-ish' would be about right and in the event weathering would probably even out many of the vaguaries from the paint shop anyway!
Quote from: MickT on January 20, 2012, 10:39
Back to Tom's thread subject!
Quote from: Tigger on January 20, 2012, 12:52
NOW back to Tom's thread!!
Not a problem, gentlemen, it's all intersting stuff. I think as long as it looks "right" then I'll be happy. I've done a few test swatches of the paints for locos, carriages and wagons on a sheet of foamboard to check I'm happy with them and they all look ok on there. It was backed with the same colour primer I always use too, so the colours there should transfer well to the models.
As to paint finish, these carriages will be around 12 years old as shown on the model, so will exhibit the beginnings of being weathered - i.e. still being kept wiped down with a cloth, but not pristinely clean, like the painted example I have shown above. The finish on that was achieved using Mig weathering powders and washes, very effective stuff.
No more progress on the fleet, I've run out of some materials, but I'm hoping to get cracking on building the final board of Isle Ornsay over the next few days, so once that's progressed a decent amount I'll go back and continue these.
I am very sorry Tom, but while well executed, I find Ratio bashed NG coaches entirely unconvincing. I know of no NG British coaches with the ratio of window to waist height to lower panel even near that of a bashed Ratio coach.
I realise that these fora will 'jolly' you along but I sincerely hope that you will consider replacing the fleet when you are able. There are so many appropriate etched sides available on the market.
IMO, Ratio bashes are as bad as Pugbashes! 8)
You seem to be doing everything else right at present.
best
JdF
Having read John's qualification of Ratiobashes, I decided to check. The following list gives measurements taken with my plastic school ruler, of lower and waist panel height, window height and top panel height (including ventilators). I took them from Ratio sides and photos in various publications, not correcting for camera distortion or possible inaccuracy of the ruler ;D.
The results were as follows (lower-window-top).
Ratio: 11-11-3
Swilly: 13-12-3
Donegal: 14-14-3
Ballycastle: 12-11-3
Festiniog: 15-11-2
L&B: 12-7-2
From this incomplete survey it would seem that the midget 2ft gauge railways stock has different ratios for the lower-window-top size from 3ft gauge stock. The windows are much smaller.
As Tom is building a 2ft6ins gauge railway, the stock of which usually was considerably bigger than 2ft gauge stock, and as 3ft gauge coaching stock was usually rather smaller than the track gauge would allow (look at the size of engines), I would say a Ratio bash is perfectly all right for what he is doing.
Furthermore, I'm not sure we are jollying Tom along. It seems he is doing all right on his own. Sorry to differ, John. ;)
Quote from: pilotfriend on January 22, 2012, 08:30
I am very sorry Tom, but while well executed, I find Ratio bashed NG coaches entirely unconvincing. I know of no NG British coaches with the ratio of window to waist height to lower panel even near that of a bashed Ratio coach.
Don't tell me, you think they will set 009 back to the 1970s?! Well I have to say that I disagree, John, sorry. They're appropriate for the type of line I'm modelling. Look at a carriage from the L&LSR, then look at the ones I'm working on. Now add an L&B one into the mix, they're too small. As Ted has mentioned I'm modelling 2'6", so the proportions appear right to me.
However, I will remind you of something you said on NGRM. In the Ratiobash thread on there you made a similar point, but when shown Mick T's own Ratiobashes you conceded that they looked good (rightly so), since mine are based on the same principals, and very similar dimensions, I fail to see what is different.
Quote from: pilotfriend on January 22, 2012, 08:30I realise that these fora will 'jolly' you along but I sincerely hope that you will consider replacing the fleet when you are able. There are so many appropriate etched sides available on the market.
I certainly have no intention of replacing them, I've enjoyed the work I have done to date, and will enjoy finishing them. There are many etched sides, but I want to build my own thing, and cutting and splicing ratio sides has allowed me to create something a little different from using a brass kit anyone can go out and buy.
Furthermore I wouldn't expect the forum to 'jolly me along', I don't use the forums to feed an ego, I'm sharing my work with likeminded folk. I'd apply what has been said on many internet forums before, if you don't like it, don't read it.
Quote from: pilotfriend on January 22, 2012, 08:30
IMO, Ratio bashes are as bad as Pugbashes! 8)
Enough said.
Quote from: pilotfriend on January 22, 2012, 08:30
You seem to be doing everything else right at present.
But there's always time for me to do something wrong? :P
Quote from: tedp on January 22, 2012, 18:56
Having read John's qualification of Ratiobashes, I decided to check. The following list gives measurements taken with my plastic school ruler, of lower and waist panel height, window height and top panel height (including ventilators). I took them from Ratio sides and photos in various publications, not correcting for camera distortion or possible inaccuracy of the ruler ;D.
The results were as follows (lower-window-top).
Ratio: 11-11-3
Swilly: 13-12-3
Donegal: 14-14-3
Ballycastle: 12-11-3
Festiniog: 15-11-2
L&B: 12-7-2
From this incomplete survey it would seem that the midget 2ft gauge railways stock has different ratios for the lower-window-top size from 3ft gauge stock. The windows are much smaller.
As Tom is building a 2ft6ins gauge railway, the stock of which usually was considerably bigger than 2ft gauge stock, and as 3ft gauge coaching stock was usually rather smaller than the track gauge would allow (look at the size of engines), I would say a Ratio bash is perfectly all right for what he is doing.
Furthermore, I'm not sure we are jollying Tom along. It seems he is doing all right on his own. Sorry to differ, John. ;)
Thanks Ted ;D
When I first came across your Isle Ornsay website, it was one of the most imaginative projects I have ever come across in narrow gauge modelling. Unlike many other fictitious layouts which tend to be a conglomerate of familiar features, yours is based on a genuine what-might-have-been railway based on thorough historical research. What is inspiring about your layout is that it combines good quality modelling skills with a clear sense of proportion and taste. I for one am looking forward to going to Sparsholt this year for the opportunity of seeing what progress you have made and with a view to being inspired to realise my own vision with the same enthusiasm and commitment that you have shown in yours. I do not have the technical knowledge to decide whether certain ratios are representative or not, though I think Ted makes a very powerful and persuasive case based on fact. However in situations like these, I am reminded of what Duke Ellington, the famous jazz pianist, said when asked what he considered to be good music. "If it sounds good", he replied, "it is good."
Need we say more?
Quote from: Rhobat Bryn on January 22, 2012, 21:30
Need we say more?
I think not, thank you for your reply, Rhobat.
OK, I take the point and withdraw the comments. The waist still seems too low to me although, yes, they look good as did MickTs.
The ratios shown by TedP do confirm that the lower panel height is a tad small though and that is what I was detecting.
And I do think that " a tad" is about the measure of it:
Ratio: 11:11:3
Dundas Eisteddford coach 12:10:3
So a well known 2ft gauge coach (if the Dundas model is accurate - but I think everyone will agree that it does "look right") which is only 1mm, or 3 inches scale different in the lower panel to window height ratio on a coach side that is the same overall height as the Ratio
Mick
Quote from: pilotfriend on January 22, 2012, 22:11
OK, I take the point and withdraw the comments. The waist still seems too low to me although, yes, they look good as did MickTs.
The ratios shown by TedP do confirm that the lower panel height is a tad small though and that is what I was detecting.
My measurements are lower panel and waist combined. If you like I can check the lower and waist ratio on the examples I measured. Anyway there is a clear difference between an L&B coach side and anything wider gauge. The Ratio sides look a bit like the Swilly or Ballycastle coach sides. The L&B and even the Festiniog sides due to their small windows have a much taller low/waist measurement.
I suppose that the crux of the matter is that as in Pug bashes, in no time flat, they appear on every 009 layout and their dog's.
For me the windows are just too deep. I still find it hard to believe that any NG coach of the period would have similar sized windows to standard gauge.
Quote from: pilotfriend on January 22, 2012, 22:31
For me the windows are just too deep.
And of course we're all entitled to our different perspective on these matters; your view is just as valid as anyone else's.
Quote from: pilotfriend on January 22, 2012, 22:31
I still find it hard to believe that any NG coach of the period would have similar sized windows to standard gauge.
In spite of the evidence presented? Or is it simply a matter of belief?
Quote from: pilotfriend on January 22, 2012, 22:31
I suppose that the crux of the matter is that ... in no time flat, they appear on every 009 layout and their dog's.
And that's a problem because ...?
"In spite of the evidence presented? Or is it simply a matter of belief?"
I am in Oz so am unable to reference my own library. I looked at Ratio sides a long time ago and could find no NG coaches (Irish included) that had windows that deep. Some years ago, I did model an Irish NG layout for a client. I remember wishing that the Ratio sides had been in H0!
"And that's a problem because ...?"
A personal belief that if a great amount of time is invested in creating a history, etc. such as is the case with Toms layout, then a great freelance modelling opportunity is lost to develop unique 'in house' rolling stock. Despite what it seems, I am a real fan of Tom's work BTW.
Damn, Rhobat, you ARE going to be a good lawyer! ;D
Quote from: pilotfriend on January 23, 2012, 00:50...a great freelance modelling opportunity is lost to develop unique 'in house' rolling stock.
But that's just what I'm doing, John, regardless of whether you think they look odd or not.
Not many people make the effort to chop ratio sides about, and by doing so their appearance can be altered quite a bit - look a the observation coach. A variety of these alterations mixed with 'standard' sides gives a nice uniform feel to the passenger stock.
Ratiobashes do look a little odd when built with a thin (typical FR size) loading gauge, but when wider like several of us do, their appearance is more balanced.
I don't see how they detract from the layout, the history, or the research.
Can you leave it there please as we are clearly not going to agree, and I wish to continue my thread on their construction.
Quote from: invercloy on January 23, 2012, 01:00
Can you leave it there please as we are clearly not going to agree, and I wish to continue my thread on their construction.
Totally agree Tom, looking forward to seeing continued progress - perhaps including the new pair of composite sides you found on the sales table at Barton Le Clay yesterday?!
Mick
Two pairs actually, Mick, so there will be at least two more ratio bashes in addition to the 9 I've got on the go at present ;D
Well, it seems you're going to have quite a fleet of coaching stock. So the boat train is already under way! Shades of the Ballymena & Larne, or of the Cork, Blackrock & Passage... I'm looking forward to see your 'scab red' compartment stock train coming into the pier station.
I used Ratio and even Tri-ang clerestory sides for my compartment carriages, with a few made up from Continental carriage sides and one or two scratchbuilt. I have two sets of Ratio GWR sides waiting (a third and a third brake), and one set of what I think is Midland bogie carriage sides. The latter might be turned into two short six-wheelers. Incidentally I have three old Minitrix bogie chassis that are almost the right size to use as running gear. Mick's preferred WHR Eisteddfod coach will make a good contrast to the Ratiobashes, but that's for the future.
I'm going to continue building in the same vein for now, but like Mick has done I may begin to diversify at some point.
I'd really like an LNER era train with some teak coaches for a bit of fun.
The short 6 wheelers you are planning sound interesting, I would like to make a directors saloon on a 6 wheel chassis, as we discussed on NGRM.
I think Mick has done panorama windows on one of his Ratiobashes.
A short six-wheeler would probably have a different type chassis from the long ones I have. The Fleischmann six-wheelers are probably too short for my purpose. I have some ideas but not yet fully worked out.
I've got panorama windows in two of mine, based on the Metroploitan built saloons on the IoMR (http://www.iomsrsa.com/saloons/170-f-29).
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Top left and just below the observation coach.
A shorty six-wheeler with panorama windows would make a nice Director's coach.
It's interesting that you refer to the IOM. That was a railway with a huge variety of carriages most of them sharing a family look. They were quite different from other railways' stock - no waist panelling to begin with. Ratiobashes at least give you an opportunity to create a big passenger fleet with a family likeness.
Although you have looked at the Swilly, I suggest you also try and find out about the Cork, Blackrock & Passage. This was a busy passenger carrying railway and there is much similarity between their stock and the Ratio sides. I have always been intrigued by a photo of a train alongside the platform at Carrigaline that crops up in various publications. I must get a book on the Passage some time. ::)
I have to confess I don't know much about the CB&P, I'll go and look around the 'net for some information.
Ref "Ratiobashing" - please can someone direct me to the articles in the News as I would like to try this
Thanks
Bob B.
Quote from: berryr99 on January 31, 2012, 19:42
Ref "Ratiobashing" - please can someone direct me to the articles in the News as I would like to try this
Thanks
Bob B.
Hi Bob,
The 2 articles I had published were:
Kitbashing Freelance Coaches pt 1 - Vol 33/4 Dec 2005 pages 11-12 & 14
Kitbashing Freelance Coaches pt 2 - Vol 33/5 Jan 2006 pages 6-8
There have been several other "ratiobash" coach construction articles in the News over the years and some quite recently if I remember but I'm afraid I don't have any details of which mags to hand. Perhaps someone with an archive type of knowledge may be able to add or complete?
Mick
Thanks Mick,
I have located these in my "News" collection and will have a bash - pun intended !!
Bob
I've been working on 5 out of the 9 coaches today. I would have done them all, but I knew I wasn't going to have enough L section to do so.
At the start of work they were all basic shells with sides, end panels and floors all fitted together.
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I then added some U channel section to represent a metal chassis, and all the L section I could for the footboards. Flat plastic strip was added to the bottom of the floor to space the bogie mounts to the desired height. Bogies are Five79 L&B fitted with metal Farish wheels - they run very nicely.
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Here they are after adding all the footboards and bogies.
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Panelling was added to the ends using microstrip, and the same material was used for the steps immediately beneath the doors. Plasticard strip was fitted to represent seating too.
Not too bad for only a few hours work. Building them in batches seems to help speed progress along.
Work still to do on this batch includes:
Fit L section truss rods
Alter some of the windows to show them open, or partially open
Fit steps and handrails to end panels
Fit pipework and details for lighting
Cut roof out of a batch of guiness cans I forced myself to empty + add details
I'll try and get these finished for Sparsholt, the remaining three that are awaiting more L section may get done too if time allows.
They're looking excellent Tom.
You're making a lot of progress. Batch building is the way to go - I should have done so long ago. I still have a few parts in the box, should really follow your example!
Quote from: Tigger on February 27, 2012, 12:30
They're looking excellent Tom.
Thanks David, I'm pleased with them so far.
Quote from: tedp on February 27, 2012, 21:05
You're making a lot of progress. Batch building is the way to go - I should have done so long ago. I still have a few parts in the box, should really follow your example!
Its the first time I've batch built any stock, it seems to make it a lot quicker.
Quote from: invercloy on February 27, 2012, 23:33
Its the first time I've batch built any stock, it seems to make it a lot quicker.
Certainly is! When I built the first coaches for the L&TR (except it wasn't called that at the time, the coaches pre-date the layout by some years!) I batch-built them and found it was an excellent idea. I've followed the practice ever since. It certainly proved its worth with all the slate wagons and the new fleet of 12 goods wagons I completed this winter was done similarly.
I've got two loco bodies sat on my workbench which may be getting hacked around in a similar manner to be worked on as a batch, albeit a very small one. More on that when I begin.
I'm hoping to add some of the steps and handrails to the end panels tonight.
Well progress has been made. End panels have been added from 40 thou and microstrip. To these were added steps made from L section, and acetylene generators from square section. Handrailing was fitted using brass wire.
This then drove me to drink, and I emptied a few cans of Guiness. Or rather, I emptied a few cans of Guiness to make use of them for the roofs. These were cut up using a scalpel, and then had PD gas lamp tops added, and microstrip rain strips. The roofs are still loose in the photos, so may look a bit wonky in some places.
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Only a few of the windows to 'open', the addition of some weight, and then it's off for painting.
They look very good Tom. I really should ressurect my own Ratio bash project using home cast resin ends...
Looking excellent Tom. Hope to see them 'in the flesh'!
I wonder at the use of tin cans for the roofs. I would have thought they are very difficult to cut cleanly, but obviously you have found a way round that. Do they keep their shape well? Mind you, this is coming from someone used to laminated card for roofs....
Good to see you're making a lot of progress. Hope to see the result next month.
Ted, I think I started beer cans as roofs. They are very easy to cut with your wife's kitchen scissors and even can be fettled using a Dremel with sanding disc. The real advantage is that top end weight is minimised and the coaches roll a lot less. They do indeed keep their shape. All CG coaches have beer can roofs.
Well, that seems clear enough. Never too old to learn something new! Perhaps I should try it as well. Still some Ratio sides in the drawer - now I have to find canned beer in this country which mainly uses bottles!
Quote from: tedp on March 04, 2012, 10:07
now I have to find canned beer in this country which mainly uses bottles!
Think yourself very lucky! ;) Since I'd recommend pouring out the contents instead of drinking it, then how about some other canned liquid abomination (as you will no doubt do the same to the contents)?
How about Red Bull? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull) . Never tried it myself, but the smaller diameter cans might match the curvature of the roof better.
The smell of the stuff alone would put me off! ::)
"Since I'd recommend pouring out the contents instead of drinking it"
Is all the fun going out of modelling these days?
Quote from: JulienW on March 04, 2012, 08:46
They look very good Tom. I really should ressurect my own Ratio bash project using home cast resin ends...
Thanks Julien. Dig them out, you know you want to! Were they for a OO12 project?
Quote from: Tigger on March 04, 2012, 08:52
Looking excellent Tom. Hope to see them 'in the flesh'!
Thanks, hopefully at Sparsholt if you are still coming along?
Quote from: tedp on March 04, 2012, 09:40
I wonder at the use of tin cans for the roofs. I would have thought they are very difficult to cut cleanly, but obviously you have found a way round that. Do they keep their shape well? Mind you, this is coming from someone used to laminated card for roofs....
Good to see you're making a lot of progress. Hope to see the result next month.
As the others have said, it works well, Ted. I cut mine with a steel rule and sharp scalpel blade - nice clean cuts every time. They do hold their shape well. Bring some of the CDR ratio bashes and we can add them to the ones Mick is bringing :)
Quote from: pilotfriend on March 04, 2012, 14:12
"Since I'd recommend pouring out the contents instead of drinking it"
Is all the fun going out of modelling these days?
I think they're referring to Red Bull, not beer John. I wholeheartedly agree that Red Bull is vile! But the cans should be just about the right length for a standard ratio side.
Quote from: invercloy on March 04, 2012, 16:30
Quote from: pilotfriend on March 04, 2012, 14:12
"Since I'd recommend pouring out the contents instead of drinking it"
Is all the fun going out of modelling these days?
I think they're referring to Red Bull, not beer John. I wholeheartedly agree that Red Bull is vile! But the cans should be just about the right length for a standard ratio side.
No I
was referring to the beer (as well as the Red Bull). ;D If Ted is used to drinking bottled beer then he going to wonder what the stuff in cans is!
Sorry Graeme :-[
I've got plenty of spare cans, Ted, shall I bring some to Sparsholt for you? :D ;)
Nah - I'll get a supply of Murphy's cans from the nearest supermarket. No Guinness for me thank you! ;D
Quote from: tedp on March 04, 2012, 22:58
Nah - I'll get a supply of Murphy's cans from the nearest supermarket. No Guinness for me thank you! ;D
Oh dear - subject drift BUT I agree Ted - there's only one place in the world to drink Guinness and that's in Dublin!
As for Red Bull, the content might be useful for slug traps in the garden! (Unless it makes them move so fast the hedgehogs can't catch 'em!)
I hope to get to Sparsholt, Tom and am indeed looking forward to seeing your progress.
Quote from: invercloy on March 04, 2012, 16:30
Quote from: JulienW on March 04, 2012, 08:46
They look very good Tom. I really should ressurect my own Ratio bash project using home cast resin ends...
Thanks Julien. Dig them out, you know you want to! Were they for a OO12 project?
Nope, 009!
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The blue one is a Midland Clerestory built from a Ratio "grounded carriage" kit, the red and cream one is an LMS body (I think) and the dark chocolate and spilt milk ones are GWR sides with the cast resin ends (and roofs!). The latter ones were fitted with internal lighting (minute LEDs with pick up from the track that I have yet to get working reliably).
And to show how long ago it was the photo was taken on Simon Coward's Isle of Mudd - the first one! - at NG South in 2006 :o
Very nice Julien. Love the pair in L&NWR livery. Sadly they'd look ridiculous on my loading gauge. Ah well. Back to the collection of unbuilt Mikes Models Bogie coaches I have stashed away somewhere...
I agree, they're very smart.
Julien, if we keep posting photos of larger loading gauge stuff do you think we can get Tigger to cave and increase the L&TR loading gauge? ;) :D
I doubt it - who would want to be dwarfed by their own rolling stock?... Mind you having seen the size of the shay perhaps there is hope ;D
(and I'm sure that I'll pay for that heightist comment from a lanky *** later Tigger ;))
Quote from: Tigger on March 05, 2012, 20:09
Very nice Julien. Love the pair in L&NWR livery. Sadly they'd look ridiculous on my loading gauge. Ah well. Back to the collection of unbuilt Mikes Models Bogie coaches I have stashed away somewhere...
It's not quite LNWR but close. The lower panels are LSWR dark brown (not LNWR Plum) whilst above the waist is some Railmatch "Rail White" (I think, it's been a while since I did them) which is probably not farr off 'spilt milk'.
Digressing a bit from Invercloy's Ratiobashes: how did you do the lining on the upper panels of your carriages, Julien? Steady hand or do you have another trick?
Apologies for continuing the thread drift, as this is supposed to be Tom's ratiobashes, not everybody's, but as the topic of Julien's LNWR style ratios was raised, I dug out my own archive from NGS 2006 and came up with this snap that shows the super job he did with them to advantage I think.
Mick
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Quote from: JulienW on March 06, 2012, 09:30
I doubt it - who would want to be dwarfed by their own rolling stock?... Mind you having seen the size of the shay perhaps there is hope ;D
(and I'm sure that I'll pay for that heightist comment from a lanky *** later Tigger ;))
I'll get you at playtime ;D ;D
Quote from: MickT on March 06, 2012, 11:12
Apologies for continuing the thread drift, as this is supposed to be Tom's ratiobashes, not everybody's, but as the topic of Julien's LNWR style ratios was raised, I dug out my own archive from NGS 2006 and came up with this snap that shows the super job he did with them to advantage I think.
Mick
:-[ I never thought of them as being anything special Mick, though my efforts seem to have survived close-up photography - you can see that the 3rd is illuminated, and also the slightly rough edge to the cast resin roof on the brake 3rd.
Quote from: tedp on March 06, 2012, 10:25
Digressing a bit from Invercloy's Ratiobashes: how did you do the lining on the upper panels of your carriages, Julien? Steady hand or do you have another trick?
Nothing but a very steady hand and a fine (5/0 I think) brush Ted.
Sorry for starting off the drift Tom. Hopefully normal service will resume soon.
Quote from: JulienW on March 06, 2012, 16:01
Sorry for starting off the drift Tom. Hopefully normal service will resume soon.
No apology necessary, its been interesting :)
I was hoping to have these totally finished for Sparsholt, but my delivery of little people to fill them with hasn't arrived, I was waiting for them to arrive to fix them and the glazing in place at the same time.
Other than that they're totally finished. Ah well, they'll be running unglazed and with the roofs fixed on temporarily :(