Hello folks
I have just rejoined the society/forum after a period of some five years and renewed my subscription to the 009 magazine, if memory serves me correctly there was a posting circa 2004/5 re the above chassis and I bought one, and I would like to build a steam era or older desiel type loco to suit it, but although being a previous member of the forum I am a beginner when it comes to this type of project and would appreciate any advice from more experienced members of the forum on this subject, and indeed any help or advice on building locos and rolling stick from different materials ie plasticard/styrene, card/paper etc.
Thanks all the best,John.
As the chassis is only powered at one end, it can be extended or shortened as required. The most obvious steam loco would be the Langley Double Fairlie. I'm not really aware of any early NG Bo-Bo diesels - at least not in this country (South African Funkey perhaps?).
If you were prepared to freelance, a scaled-down Sentinel steam railcar might be a possibility, or some sort of diesel car like JdF's.
Richard
You may find you get a wider audience for questions like this on http://ngrm-online.com I know the Shorty chassis has been discussed on there a couple of times.
It's way too short for a Fairlie, you would be looking at something with a short wheelbase. A railcar or a small diesel spring to mind.
Hello Tom
Thanks for your reply to my question you mention a "Shorty chassis" what exactly is this? the Kato chassis I have N-GAUGE 11-105 measures 50mm long (70mm including the couplings), by 15mm wide by 17mm high in total, it has eight wheels I think this is known as 04040 would this be correct Tom? also could you point me in the direction of drwings, plans or instructions for building models similar to these you mention in your reply, a railcar or a small diesel that may be suitable for this chassis. Excuse my ignorance Tom but I as I said a beginner at this type of scratch building/modelling, or if you know of a suitable white metal or plastic kit that may be suitable, please let me know.
Thanks again all the best, John.
Quote from: murphy1570 on April 05, 2010, 23:35
Hello Tom
Thanks for your reply to my question you mention a "Shorty chassis" what exactly is this? the Kato chassis I have N-GAUGE 11-105 measures 50mm long (70mm including the couplings), by 15mm wide by 17mm high in total, it has eight wheels I think this is known as 04040 would this be correct Tom? also could you point me in the direction of drwings, plans or instructions for building models similar to these you mention in your reply, a railcar or a small diesel that may be suitable for this chassis. Excuse my ignorance Tom but I as I said a beginner at this type of scratch building/modelling, or if you know of a suitable white metal or plastic kit that may be suitable, please let me know.
Kato make 5 chassis commonly used by 009 modellers, 3 versions of the bogie chassis, 11-105, 11-106, & 11-107, known here as the "shorty" because it is the smallest bogie chassis available, and 2 versions of the 4w tram chassis 11-103 & 11-104, commonly called the "tram".
Unfortunately there are no kits specifically designed for the bogie chassis, although it may be possible to adapt one of the new etched brass diesel kits from A1 models to fit, but some additional work would be required. As is common among 009 modellers, Tom's reference to a railcar or small diesel, is "a design and build your own " project. If you visit Narrow Gauge South & the 009 Society AGM at Sparsholt on Saturday we could discuss this further.
There are a couple of kits available for the Kato "Shorty" bogie chassis. They are made in Japan for HOn30 (that's 3.5 mm to the foot running on 9 mm gauge that scales up to 2 feet 6 inches, or 30 inches) and are available from Yoshiya Kobiashi (who I think is an 009 Society member). His 'beginners' kits can be found at http://www.hpmix.com/home/yoshiya/Yoshiya/A4_1.htm#17. The site suggests that these kits are supplied with the chassis, but it might be possible to purchase the etches. Alternatively you could use the photos of the built kits to design something to scratch-build in plastic sheet that might fit in more with your railway, but I think you are going to be limited to something powered by internal combustion rather than steam.
My own effort with the Kato bogie chassis involved fitting it under a Ford model A flatbed lorry and replacing the unpowered bogie with a single axle.
(https://forum.009society.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2F4067%2F4327598600_3afeecfdc6.jpg&hash=d59113d174725518ea53000fac85099483292d16)
A motorised bogie wagon is another possibility, for use with an unpowered loco or railcar - or a gravity train
Love the lorry.
Here is picture of the lorry I built on the Kato shorty chassis. It basically a Dundas VoR Brake van.
John,
welcome (back) to the Society and to this forum. Tom's (Invercloy) advice is very sound - check out the ngrm-online forum, which is very active. If you have a look at the Knightwing bash thread there, and also the recent articles in both 009 News and in Railway Modeller by Roger Christian on building a Knightwing diesel loco for 009, (normally done using the 11-103 Tram chassis), you will find that it is just as easy to do one, in fact in some ways even easier, using the Shorty chassis that you have. I have a half built Knightwing bash (no photos of this one, sorry) that has the engine compartment shortened to 2 panels plus the blank bit that now exactly fits onto a Kato Shorty. Dead easy to marry chassis to body because if you cut the footplate hole closely to fit over the motor housing, then the body simply sits on the small "platforms" at each end of the chassis and securing can then proceed with any of several options from drilling holes to accomodate small nuts and bolts, through dressmakers press studs to the highly non-technical option of a bit of blu-tack.
Just follow either of Roger's articles mentioned above and substitute the 4 wheel Kato chassis for the bogie one you have and you should have an impressive looking 009 diesel loco for a couple of evening's effort.
Mick
Quote from: garrywhiting on April 06, 2010, 07:25
As is common among 009 modellers, Tom's reference to a railcar or small diesel, is "a design and build your own " project. If you visit Narrow Gauge South & the 009 Society AGM at Sparsholt on Saturday we could discuss this further.
Exactly right, Garry! I wasn't referring to anything in particular.
John, you say you are a beginner, do you have much experience of kit building, or are you a 'total' beginner? The reason I ask is because there may be some kits that could be altered to fit this chassis, however you would be far better off getting some experience of building kits as intended to begin with.
Like Garry, I'm at Sparsholt, with my layout 'Dunbracken'. If you are coming along then stop by and say hello, I'll show you some of the conversions I've done on stock and explain how they were done.
A1 Models has recently released 2 kits for this chassis and will be on sale at Sparsholt from the A1 Models stand.
They are a box cab, larger and with more detail than the one designed for the tram chassis and one based on an off center cab Hunslet with low bonets, built for one of the Australian cane railways but i forget which one.
Sorry no photo's of either I'm affraid.
Darren.
Hello folks
Thanks very much to all members who have ansewered my question re the above, a lot of very good information which has given me plenty "food for thought" , thanks again folks and to anyone else who may answer, a great site full of useful information.
Thanks all the best, John.
Hello Mick
Thanks for your reply to my question could you tell me the editions of both the 009 and the Railway modeller recent articles you mention by Roger Christian on building a Knightwing diesel loco for 009, suitable for my Kato 11-105 chassis I have (which is normally done using the 11-103 Tram chassis) but your advice re the abve articles and substituting the 4 wheel Kato chassis for the bogie one I have to build an 009 diesel loco sounds just the type of thing I am looking for. Thanks for welcoming me back to the 009 society, I recieved the March 2010 issue from Alan this week and it has encouraged me to get involved more, any advice re the issues would be appreciated do you happen to know where I buy the kit?
Thanks all the best, John.
Quote from: murphy1570 on April 11, 2010, 00:40
..........could you tell me the editions of both the 009 and the Railway modeller recent articles you mention by Roger Christian on building a Knightwing diesel loco for 009, suitable for my Kato 11-105 chassis I have (which is normally done using the 11-103 Tram chassis).......................... any advice re the issues would be appreciated do you happen to know where I buy the kit?
Thanks all the best, John.
Roger's article is in 009 News October 2009 pages 9 - 12. Also covered in Railway Modeller February 2010. Basically the same article but different photos and presentation. In my opinion the 009 News article is easier to follow as there are more detailed photos and diagrams and the text relates directly to the photos which the RM article doesn't, but either will do you if you have trouble sourcing one or the other.
Availability of back-issues of 009 News are a contentious subject at the moment but in the first instance ask the membership secretary who may still have recent issues available, and if he hasn't got this one, then I suggest you ask the Secretary who should then forward your request to whoever on the committee will deal with it. If all else fails, then come back to me and I'll scan the article for you and send my scanning services bill to the treasurer ;)
Knightwing kits are available directly from Knghtwing, who advertise monthly in Railway Modeller. You can also find them in larger model railway shops, if you still have one within a days travelling time of where you live!
Hope this helps
Mick
Hello again Mick,
Thanks very much for taking the time to reply to me re the articles you mentioned by Roger Christain in both the "009 news" and the "Railway Modeller magazine" re the Kato 11-105 chassis, and its suitability for use on building the Knightwing diesel loco for 009 use, using the "shorty chassis" I have these terms are all new to me but make perfect sense when you explained them to me.
I have already taken your advice Mick and e mailed the membership secretary re the availability of the October 2009 issue dealing with this topic, I will also contact Railway Modeller Magazine re availability of a back issue if the society does not have it. Thanks for offering to scan and send me the article Mick if all else fails.
Thanks again Mick, all the best, John.
John
I've just noticed that your member profile lists an email address for you, so to save all the bother, I'll scan you the 009 News article and send it to that address. I'll also see if I can find the Knightwing bash that I started ages ago using a Shorty chassis and dig out some dimensions and any relevant notes.
Please let me know before I send a confirmation that the email address you have put on your member's profile is the correct one to use (seanbearne)
Mick
Well that took just over 20 minutes to do and I now have scans of the 4 pages of the article ready to send you plus a couple of my own version that uses the Shorty chassis. As soon as you have confirmed your email address to me, I'll send the scans across to you.
I'm posting this here for members to see because this very aspect was the subject of an issue I raised at the Society AGM on Saturday re: back issue service. We used to have a good back issue service until 18 months ago when it was ceased as apparently it was of mixed quality and doubtful usefulness. In reply to my raising this as an agenda item, I was informed that there had only been one request raised to the committee since the service was ceased, so re-introducing the service was a low priority one. My point was that there are often queries raised on both our own closed Society forum (here), on both the Yahoo Groups that cater for 009 modelling and on the public access ngrm-online forum about "how to do" things - exactly as with John's new member query here, and the response is frequently "it was covered in 009 News issue X pages N to Z", to which the reply is often "how to I get hold of this article". My point that I tried to make, but didn't get very far with was that it is quite easy to provide this members service, it costs nothing to do and therefore I believe that Committee should seriously consider appointing or co-opting somebody with the role of providing the service for members, which is what the previous incumbent did before he retired but was not replaced. After all, we have (apparently, but not very well communicated to the members) a "Technical Panel" to answer all queries, which I imagine would be very relevant here, and we now have a Publications Officer who we are told is responsible for All Society publications - so I would have thought that digging something out of a previous publication to help a member out would be a service that could and should be capable of being provided easily - just done it. Hon Committee please add this to your cogitations and procrastination lists for future debate and hopefully action and attention.
Rant over, I'll get me coat.
John -I await your email confirmation
Regards
Mick
Hello Mick
Thanks for your prompt reply and for scanning the article(s) for me, for some reason in my profile my e mail address is as you say seanbreane, this is not correct it is actually seanbyrne@blueyonder.co.uk, if you send them to this address I should get them no problem and will let you know Mick as soon as they arrive.
As to the other points you raise in your e mail Mick re back issues etc I for one totally agree with the points you raised at the meeting, it is all fine and well for someone to say you can find the information re my question for example, that you can find it in issue x.y.z. if the back issues service no longer functions as it used to when I was previosly a member of the society,WHY? It used to be excellent and would try to search out articles ie like mine above.I am glad Mick you raised some of these points at the A.G.M., and I hope some note was taken of them, after all we are all interested in narrow gauge modelling.
Thanks again Mick,all the best, John.
PS. Mick hope you got your coa!!
Quote from: murphy1570 on April 13, 2010, 01:06
Hello Mick
Thanks for your prompt reply and for scanning the article(s) for me, for some reason in my profile my e mail address is as you say seanbreane, this is not correct it is actually seanbyrne@blueyonder.co.uk, if you send them to this address I should get them no problem and will let you know Mick as soon as they arrive.
Hi John,
Good job I did ask you to confirm your email address then! ;)
Scans now on their way to you. Hope you find them of use. Thank you for your comments about the back issue service. My advice is to represent this directly to the Committee via the Secretary - who is not a member of this forum. Putting it to the committee officially is the only way that it will get onto the agenda and the only way this much missed and needed members service will get reinstated is if enough members tell the committee that they want it.
Mick
Hello again Mick
Thanks very much for sending me the article from the 009 magazine re the Knightwing bash scans etc relating to using the Kato "shorty chassis" for use with Knightwing kit (do you happen to have a phone number for A1 models as for the life of me I cannot find them even on the internet} as I would like to order the kit from them. The scans you sent me are excellent Mick and I will certainly give it a go when I can source the kit, the scans are an excelent tutorial.
As regards the back issue availability (or lack off as the case may be!!), I mentioned to you that I had e mailed the membershipr secretary re back issues and also to ask if the library loan service was still available, I was unaware that he is not a member of the forum therefore I will e mail him directly posing the back issues and library services I mentioned above and there availability, I feel these are very important to assist people in the pursuit of our hobby.
I will let you know how I get on Mick both with my e mail to the membership secretary and also my attempt to get the kit up and running.
Thanks again Mick all the best,John.
John,
Thank your for your response and glad that you have received the article plus the other photos OK.
Oh dear there appears to be a bit of confusion! To try to unravel this:
1. Always use "proper" email if you have an email address. PM's via forums are all very well, but even for those who are members, the notification that there is a message is not very clear and I have often gone weeks without noticing one in my "my messages" box. Because this forum is a closed one for Society members only does not mean that everyone is a member of it! There were 221 members last time I looked (yesterday) but there are over 1200 Society members. Whenever contacting anyone on the committee you should always do it via the contact details published on page 3 of 009 News - and if it is something that needs to be recorded, then obviously this should be in written form, so to contact the Secretary, please either write to him at the address given or email him at the email address pubished: secretary@009society.com
2. Not sure why you have A1 models mixed up with Knightwing. A1 provide very good and economical (
Not much to do with Kato Shorty projects (sorry) but perhaps the above is an indication of the effectiveness of an unofficial 009 News back number service - the informal "I have that article in my pile of back issues and can scan and e-mail a copy if you want" - and why there is not an 'official' back number service due to lack of use by Society members.
It also means that the 20 minutes to find, scan and e-mail each article is spread around multiple Society members, not one poor b****r (on the Committee?) who ends up spending all his time scanning and e-mailing, and not building 009 models (or having a life!).
Anyhow, thanks Mick as you saved me the job of locating the issue in amongst my full set then scanning...
Though I was planning to send it off without checking the e-mail address so it would never have got there :(
Quote from: Isle of Stoner on April 06, 2010, 12:53
Love the lorry.
Here is picture of the lorry I built on the Kato shorty chassis. It basically a Dundas VoR Brake van.
Hello Keith
I have just orderd a kit from Parkside Dundas of the VoR Brake van you used for use with the Kato shortry chassis, I like the look of it you have made a great job of it and encouraged me to have a go, if possible Keith could you give me any advice on how you carried out the conversion as I am a beginner at this and would appreciate any advice you may be able to give me.
Thanks all the best,John.
Hi
Glad you like it. I seem to remember that I cut the floor moulding of the van so that it is glued onto the chassis so its the right size for the body... if you see what I mean and then basically built the van round the floor but cutting a square windscreen in one end and adding the bonnet parts from a lorry kit to the front. I think the lorry was a knightwing kit but I can't be sure.
Sorry to be so vague, basically make it up as you go along and if it looks right to you then it is right!
There a re a couple of pictures of a couple of other rail lorries I've made on the forum if you follow the thread for Arnold lane Wharf in the layout section.
Best wishes and don't forget to post some pictures of progress.
Cheers
Hello there
I have just stumbled accross your reply re the brake van question I asked about how you built it , thanks very much for your reply and advice re the conversion I will certainly give it a go.
Thanks again, all the best, John.
Quote from: JulienW on April 06, 2010, 10:38
His 'beginners' kits can be found at http://www.hpmix.com/home/yoshiya/Yoshiya/A4_1.htm#17.
Seems to have moved to http://www.justmystage.com/home/yoshiya/sub3.html
Gr.,
Rod
Sorry to hijack the original thread, but what happened to the CDs that David Camis used to supply (or their original files of course)? At least they would form a basis for finding earlier articles. Maybe one of our more computer literate members could be conned /persuaded into updating?
I would offer but it's taken me 3 weeks to post photos on ngrm online :-[