still flabbergasted at the price of Roco H0e point work, I found that I can buy a fleischmann N gauge 15 degree angle electric point (made by the same company) for little more than the narrow gauge product bought without the electric motor.
I am aware that the two are slightly different in size, but I would like to know -
is the rail height of the two products the same and are they compatable apart from the sleeper spacing ?
I know that Peco products are cheaper, but I don't want the loud buzzing noise when the points are changed electrically.
Hi Pete,
Yes it's not the cheapest track! Let me have a look, I have some of both....
Much to my surprise i managed to join a Roco HOe point to a Fleischmann point...
Once joined the railheads form a smooth join, the bottom of the sleepers looks to match as well, but there I think you won't know 100% until you've stuck it down and tried it...
Cheers,
Friso
Hi
Are you set on using Roco point work?
Personally I have had great success using Peco point work (with the spring removed) and Cobalt slow action motors.
I share your discomfort with solenoid type motors simply from the noise they make, but also standard Peco and Seep only have one change over switch which leads to further cost and complication if further switching is required for feedback, signalling etc.
IMHO Frog power switching is essential from the outset if using PECO Live frog types (In fact of the last two I installed one didn't provide continuity from new) this is probably the case with similar types.
Currently I am experimenting with servo motors in an effort to reduce the capital cost per electrically remote controlled turnout.
A Peco + Cobalt tips in around
A query to A&h models confirmed that roco and fleischman tracks are compatable and made by the same company.
Still can't understand how a H0e point can cost around
Ps- thanks for suggestions and help with this
Happy new to year to all !
Quote from: Pete Williams on January 03, 2017, 13:05
A query to A&h models confirmed that roco and fleischman tracks are compatable and made by the same company.
Still can't understand how a H0e point can cost around
Quote from: Pete Williams on January 03, 2017, 13:05
A query to A&h models confirmed that roco and fleischman tracks are compatable and made by the same company.
Still can't understand how a H0e point can cost around
Quote from: jimowers on January 03, 2017, 14:31..... I am using the Peco Setrack Insulfrog points with surface mount motors on a lot of my layout. ..... These are 9 inch curves and they cost
Yes, it is PL-11 but you got the point :o
From my personal observations I think that the surface mount point is far less clunky in use than Peco solenoids. They seem to be quieter in the way they throw the point across and much less aggressive with the track. The only downside (and this applies to all surface mount solutions, such as Roco, is that the motors are visible on the layout and so have to be disguised in some way.
Another motor to look out for is the Tillig one if the size of a surface mount motor worries you. They are thinner than the others but likely to work best with Tillig track and the price will be higher than Peco.
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Jim
Thank you.
CP
Quote from: Pete Williams on January 01, 2017, 21:12
I am aware that the two are slightly different in size, but I would like to know -
is the rail height of the two products the same
Roco HOe track is Code 83, don't know about the Fleischmann stuff though.
I just use Peco as I think they look better than Roco.
Just be careful when balasting around the Fleischmann points. The mechanics are all underneath and are great at sucking up the PVA/water/Fairy liquid combination!
A friend of mine models in N and uses the Fleischmann track, he now uses Scatter Grip around the points.
If you want to get Fleischmann track in bulk for silly money, then try Anoraks Anonymous, they normally turn up at TINGS with a lot of it. They often sell points (in boxes, near new) for around
Quote from: jimowers on January 03, 2017, 21:05
Yes, it is PL-11 but you got the point :o
From my personal observations I think that the surface mount point is far less clunky in use than Peco solenoids. They seem to be quieter in the way they throw the point across and much less aggressive with the track. The only downside (and this applies to all surface mount solutions, such as Roco, is that the motors are visible on the layout and so have to be disguised in some way.
Another motor to look out for is the Tillig one if the size of a surface mount motor worries you. They are thinner than the others but likely to work best with Tillig track and the price will be higher than Peco.
Just to update you all...
I have spoken to the Peco Technical Bureau this morning who advise me that the PL-11 surface mount point motor "was not designed" (their words) for use with the new Peco OO9 9 inch curve Insulfrog Setrack points and that the width of OO9 loco and rolling stock bodies may foul the mechanism if it is installed with one of these points.
My spellchecker changed 'Setrack' to 'Setback' and I think that sums it up! It is such a pity that they have not updated the descriptions for either the new points or the point motor or, better still, both.
A great many of the point motors on my Westdorf layout are above the board.
They are all standard Peco point motors on PL-12 adapter bases, some using the extension bar that comes with PL-12 and some not. The motors all have accessory switches a s frog polarity switches mounted on top (some of the SG ones have two switches, the second one for automation, but this is not recommended by Peco)
Each one was positioned so it was hidden in one of a variety of removable track-side buildings or behind scenery with an opening for maintenance.
Some have more than one extension and go under several tracks in groves cut in the 6mm ply trackbed covered with card.
It all took quite a lot of planning but it has proven to be very reliable.
I see no reason why this would not work with the 9 inch set track points.
However If I were you I would wait until the electrofrog version of the 9 inch point is available. (1Y to 18 months perhaps??)
Brian Meldon
Quote from: B.Meldon on January 18, 2017, 12:00
However If I were you I would wait until the electrofrog version of the 9 inch point is available. (1Y to 18 months perhaps??)
Brian Meldon
I am investigating a couple more options for the fiddle area point motors before making a decision. It can wait for a while as it is not yet affecting the critical path of the project.
However, I have gone with the Insulfrog 9 inch points already and they are glued down and working just fine. With the working that I am doing on the layout they are perfect and I am surprised more people do not think of using these Setrack units. There are so many scare stories and 'tablets of stone' stating that "thou shalt only use Electrofrog" that it perhaps scares people away but let's not churn up that old ground here yet again please. I cannot wait 18 months for another promised point to come along as my build schedule is one layout per year as it has for the last 10 years!
Peco have made the point ( :-*) several times that they did a lot of work to make these 9 inch units as OO9 friendly as possible and they are certainly proving so on the layout so far. At Colehill I met another OO9er who had chosen the Minitrains equivalent and was much less satisfied with those so I am sticking to these. I have never been let down by Peco when it comes to trackwork. The Setrack ones appear to do everything that I want for an exhibition layout. The fact that they are simpler to install and wire is a great bonus for me. I am a firm believer in the KISS principle.
It is always up to each individual as to what points to use, but with more than 30 years of experience with 009 there is no way that I would take the retrograde step to have a dead frog of any type on a 009 layout. I have seen just too many very good layouts ruined with locos stalling on dead frogs at slow speeds.
Peco had good reason for changing the original 9 inch 009 points from dead to electrofrog in the 1970
You are entitled to your point of view of course but I should point out, especially to anyone new to the forum, that there are alternatives. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Insulfrog points and in many situations they work perfectly, especially with modern chassis like those from Minitrains and Lilliput.
It is about time someone gave an alternative point of view on this forum because there are as many 'right' answers as there are people contributing. I also have a significant history of layout building with over ten layouts to my name and extensive experience of track work with absolutely no failures so far. Whatever point I have used There have been no failures with much of the track being used under exhibition conditions.
I will continue to support another excellent Peco product - the Setrack 9 inch Insulfrog point - and viewers will see the results working perfectly on my Woolthorpe Light Railway in the near future when it is completed.
Oh yes, I should have mentioned that Roco point can have a wire soldered to the frog from the bottom. I've done this for all of mine, it's precise work but it pays off...
There are two types of Fleischmann N gauge track