This is a possible new project, based on a section of the Callendar and Oban Line in Perthshire, central Scotland.
This roughly attempts to show the section of the line that runs up Glen Ogle at a gradient of 1 in 60 for approx. six miles, from Lochearnhead towards Crianlaric, with a link to Killin on Loch Tay, from an exchange junction just past the summit of Glen Ogle.
The line was threatened with closure during the 1965 Beeching closures, but this was pre-empted by a landslide in Glen Ogle which blocked the line, and the line from Callendar to Crianlaric was closed and abandoned slightly earlier than officially planned.
This very scenic section of the line is now a part of the national cycle/walkway scheme that makes use of abandoned railway lines across the country.
The proposed model supposes that before the cycle/walkway route was proposed and put into play, a group of narrow gauge enthusiasts, tabled a proposal to use the abandoned track-bed, and build a narrow gauge tourist line from Lochearnhead to Killin, with a new station at the head of Glen Ogle as a tourist attraction.
And so to the model:-
I am considering making a model of the proposed new railway to check out the possible construction methods I would have to use to make the base boards.
The idea for this came to me while looking at the superb "Cliff Hanger" layout of John Lodyzhensky, I knew that Glen Ogle offered a similar potential for a railway running upon a ledge in very scenic surroundings and thought I would have a go.
The layout will be sized at 8x2ft with a central split, and a vertical height of 2ft, with possibly, in the future, a right angled extension at the Glen Ogle head end down to Killin.
The model of the model is a quarter size, made out of a single sheet of 4mm Foam Board to check the feasibility of it's construction.
Looking at the attached photo's, Lochearnhead is at the left with the old railway bed rising up the back of the lay out, over what should be a 12 arch viaduct and onto the head of the Glen at the right.
The railway is paralled on the front of the layout by the road. Down in the valley bottom is a small river, and an even older road, which was part of General Wade's remit to try and tame the Scot's, after the Bonnie Prince Charlie uprising, by improving the then practically none existant roads.
More later.
Well, the more later was to be photo's of the model I am building to see how the proposed model build of the layout can best be achieved, but I can't get Photo Bucket to work to download the photo's to the forum, sorry.
I will keep trying, but without photo's, the words are pointless, hey ho.
Anyone got any ideas for the transfer of photo's from Picasa, or Windows Live photo gallery, where I adjust the picture sizes to 800x600 to display them on here if I have no success with Photo Bucket??
BrianT.
sounds good. keep it up.
John W
Hello John and thank you for the encouragement.
My plan, if it ever gets off the ground is a right angled extension at one end which I have copied off your "Isle of Stoner", this will take the line down the valley from a junction at Glen Ogle head to Killin on Loch Tay.
Regards,
BrianT.
Well at last, I seem to have some get attable photo's for you, so, to recap:-
The layout will be sized at 8x2ft with a central split, and a vertical height of 2ft, with possibly, in the future, a right angled extension at the Glen Ogle head end down to Killin.
The model of the model is a quarter size, made out of a single sheet of 6mm Foam Board to check the feasibility of it's construction.
Looking at the attached photo's, Lochearnhead is at the left with the old railway bed rising up the back of the lay out, over what should be a 10 arch viaduct and onto the head of the Glen at the right.
The railway is paralled on the front of the layout by the road. Down in the valley bottom is a small river, and an even older road, which was part of General Wade's remit to try and tame the Scot's, after the Bonnie Prince Charlie uprising, by improving the then practically none existant roads.
So, any comments would be much appreciated, in the mean time, I will attempt to download a more colourful photo of progress since these photo's were taken.
Regards,
BrianT.
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Still having problems with Photo Bucket, sorry.
BrianT.
Well folks, I have had to abandon Photo Bucket Until I can get help, so I have opened a flicker account and posted one of the colour photo's on there.
Flicker does not seem to work like Photo Bucket as you seem to have to click on the bumph below to access the photo, sorry about that, but it's the best I can do with my very limited knowledge of how these photo hosting services work.
Regards,
BrianT.
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I have now managed to add more photo's to my Photo Bucket site, but I have posted them above.
BrianT.
Good morning all.
I now seem to be back on track for uploads and use of Photo Bucket, I think????
The problems seems to be that the new version of PB has the ability to upload every photo that you put on your PC, every time you download from the camera, and promptly started to upload all my photo's from the Picasa site I use for storing my photo's, onto PB. At 2gig, it said I had no more space available without payment and stopped any further uploads to PB.
Also on the new version of PB, there is an on screen button that you can switch from read only, to read and offload to elsewhere, so I could not get at any of the URL's to transfer my pictures to any of the forums.
Now I only ever use PB to get my pictures into a position for downloading using the URL's, into another forum such as this, I don't want all my photo's stored on PB, I am quite happy with the Picasa programme.
So, I have now deleted all the photo's uploaded to the PB site from Picasa, apart from the ones I have in the past uploaded for use in forums, that was a marathon in itself. This has freed up space on my PB site, and by accident, I discovered what the on screen button does in unlocking the read only to read and write to PB, so I seem to be back on track, HOPEFULLY. :D
I am not sure I am using the correct terminology for uploads and downloads, it seems to me that either term can be used for what I am trying to do, but basically, I think, I download photo's from my camera to the computer, and upload the photo's from my computer to Photo Bucket or anywhere else on my computer. I hope that is clear.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Pleased to hear you've got your photos sorted.
Like you, I don't really understand these things either, but following the helpful instructions posted elsewhere Flickr works okay for me - if you click on 'share' and cut and paste the BB code the photo should open directly in the forum. But it looks as though Photobucket is back on track so that's good.
We're all still learning...!
David.
One of my problems David, is my very very very short term memory.
I can start reading an explanation on how to do something, and by the time I have got to the bottom of lets say an A4 equivalent of the written word, I have forgotten the opening paragraph. :( :( :( ;D
One of the worst offending sets of instructions are the electronic ones, where something times out after what seems to be a short time of inactivity.
So you read that to do a certain thing with a certain button, and by the time you have found the said button on the equipment, the equipment will have timed out and you have to start over again, not funny. >:(
For instance, I have just written the above few words for some reason, and have had to scroll down this post to find out what I was replying too?? Sad, but I can assure you, true? ;D
Any way, from the few replies my post has generated re Glen Ogle, I think I am going to give it a go as a two or three, four foot per board, portable layout, with lots of scenery, and very little railway content.
Please chip in with your observations, comments, suggestions and criticism's, no offence will be taken, and thank you in advance.
The first move will obviously have to be the construction of the baseboards, and here, will probably the first of the criticisms, as I think I will be constructing from MDF and softwood framing, mainly on the basis of cost, which size for size, appears to be 2/3 the cost of equivalent plywood, the penalty will be increased weight I believe.
Each module will be four foot long and some where in width between eighteen inches and two foot in width depending on the combined angles I make the sides of the glen.
From the model I made, it is clear that I made the sides of the glen too steep, so this will be modified on the actual baseboards during construction, we will have to see.
That's all for now, kind regards,
BrianT.
I have made a tentative start on the construction of the baseboards. I decided from photographs I have viewed on the Google site showing Glen Ogle, that the angles I constructed on the model were much too steep, so the first thing I have done is to cut three pieces of 2"x1" and joined them with a single screw where they overlap, and adjust them using my model, and a couple of photo's I have printed from the Google site, to get a feel of the two slopes of the Glen side.
I have also decided I need to construct the layout size of the actual 12 arch viaduct, so this will be my next step, I can then marry up the viaduct and base board timber angles, to finally decide on the slope angles of the Glen, before finally committing saw to timber.
I have decided to make the viaduct from 6mm foam board, I have opted for an arch span of 10 feet, with 3 foot pillars, which takes the scale viaduct to over 25 inches in length, plus a further 3 arches that the railway crosses further down the climb up Glen Ogle, through which the stream/river passes through, running off the Glen side on it's way down to Loch Earn at the bottom of the glen.
In my model, I did not show this second 3 arches, and also showed the river/stream climbing all the way to the top of the Glen which I am not certain it actually does.
There is a further tributary feeding in from the road side of the Glen, which a few years ago, caused a landslide that closed the A85 road running up the other side of the Glen. It's a good job Dr Beeching was not still in office, or he might have shut the A85 as he did the railway. :D
So, while I get on with making the 12 arch viaduct, here are a couple of pictures of work in progress in my garage.
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kind regards,
BrianT.
My memory is pretty useless, too, so if there are complicated instructions on-screen which will take time to follow I just print them out, and work from that at my own pace :)
Yes, MDF is horribly dense... I'm using papier mache (apologies - can't be bothered to find the accents, though I promise I do know what they should be!), i.e. paper towel and wallpaper paste, for my scenery - it's very light and very tolerant, i.e. easy to remodel if it doesn't look right and to repair if it gets bashed / squashed.
But Glen Ogle's looking good so far. The most important thing is that you enjoy it!
David.
The viaduct under construction
4mm foam board, very delicate when cut to size, with a 6mm balsa wood decking, hot glued to the foam board, and with the pier cutouts used to strengthen the very spindly piers.
The piers are over long as I don't yet know how the structure will sit in the actual scene, depending on the form and angles of the Glen side.
The viaduct is cut at a 1 in 30 angle to have the piers vertical, some of the piers have yet to have the vertical strengthener's glued behind them.
When the second side is attached, I am going to paint the whole structure with PVA glue and paint on a creamy mix of Artex or some such plaster or clay mix, and attempt to show the stone work of the viaducts construction.
Has any one tried this method or any other suggestions to achieve that end.
I know it would have been easier to do this work in the flat, but as the viaduct has a curve, I thought that the covering mix would crack as I attempted to attach the decking, and due to the delicacy of the arches, the additional weight would make it more vulnerable to breaking as I attached one to the other.
You may note that the two outer piers have all ready been damaged as I manoeuvred the them into position, even in there present state. The damage will hopefully disappear under the covering of the paste mix.
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Regards,
BrianT
Very impressive Brian. I look forward to following more progress on this project.
Mick
A little more work done on the viaduct.
The Viaduct is made from 4mm foam board verticals with a 6mm Balsa wood decking.
The inner arches are formed from 2 thicknesses of heavy duty decorators wallpaper lining paper, cut into strips wider than the actual arch, pasted together using wall paper paste, and the arch formed by hanging the wet sheets around a brush handle until dry.
This makes a surprisingly strong thin card, which when dry, was glued into each arch with "UHU" glue and left to set.
The excess was cut off along each arch and any unevenness sanded back to the foam board, arch pillar.
The whole structure was then painted with neat PVA, and set aside to dry.
This can then be painted with a runny mix of "Artex" ( This is a form of white plaster, mixed with water to a certain consistency, and painted onto surfaces such as ceilings or walls, into which, a pattern can be formed by various tools, to enhance the bare plasterwork left by the plasterer), this makes a quite useful plaster mix for modelling, and working on, to form rock work.
This when dry, can be scribed to form stone work, or if you are real masochist, brickwork, which accepts acrylic or water colour paint, which is absorbed into the finish. The downside is that any chips to the finished surface will show very white against whatever colour your finish is, this can be mitigated to a large extent by adding a base colour to the water used to mix the modelling "Artex", Old emulsion paint, poster paint etc, can be added to the mix as the "Artex" is made up.
A runny mix of PVA, used as the mixing medium, as well as the water, also helps strengthen the mix when all has set.
The dried surface can then be scribed to form whatever the surface is supposed to represent.
For rough stonework, another method of forming the stone faces, is to add small lumps of the mix on the end of a spatula or scriber, to the dried surface, to leave a raised face.
This is the method I used to form the proscenium arch curtains to the 20 note busker organ I made my grandson for Christmas.
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The photo below shows the last step so far of the viaducts construction, with the first coat of the "Artex" mix, painted onto the prepared construction, and the ingredients used in it's production.
It also shows, I have just noticed, that one of the piers is not correct, I hope that can be straightened on the base board, or there will have to be a tree planted. ;)
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Regards,
BrianT.
Well I am sorry to report that I have failed with the viaduct and it's back to the drawing board.
Despite all the pontificating above, the methods outlined have failed due to my poor workmanship, and a fresh start will have to be made in constructing a new viaduct.
The final straw on the Camels back was my attempt tonight to lay the stone work onto the structure using the methods previously outlined above, but the poor base structure I was working on with it's twisted and out of line piers meant my heart was really not in it.
I had an idea today that I might be able to simulate each stone block work by loading the "Artex" mix into an Icing cake set and applying shaped blobs to the structure, so I went and purchased a tool that I reshaped into an oblong .
I quickly realised that this was not going to work, abandoned the result, and reverted back to my previous method of placing small blobs of the mix on the structure with a tiny spatula. But all the time I was doing this very time consuming work, I had this niggle that the poor structure I was working on was not worth all the effort I was going to have to put into it to achieve the finish I was hoping for, so I gave it up and decided to start afresh.
My apologies to anyone who has been following the very slow progress I have been making, but what I have decided to do now, is use this existing viaduct structure as a template, and start building the base boards, now that I have established the shape and size of the viaduct that will need accommodating.
Regards,
BrianT.
Don't give up, it looked cracking and when you finally have it in a layout it will be a thing of beauty.
Keep it up.
John W
Hello John and thank you for your interest.
I have not given up on Glen Ogle and it's viaduct, only on the current viaduct structure.
I have just come in from the garage where I have been constructing the first of the two baseboard modules depicting the actual glen, now I have my first failed attempt at building the viaduct, I can use it as a pattern to lay the rising 1 in 30 track bed out on the open topped base board
Because of the geology of the glen, my baseboards need to have a fifteen degree angle at the middle joint to accommodate the viaduct which is actually built on a curve in real life, and in the layout, will straddle the baseboard joint, so now, instead of being built into the layout, I will make it as a removable unit.
On the new model viaduct, the fact that it will be removable will help with one of the original attempts problems, which was the very flexible piers which allowed the piers to move about as the rest of the modelling was undertaken, resulting in twist and distortion. So the new model will not only have the track deck, but will have the bottoms of the piers fixed in place on a solid base. This not only strengthen the structure, but make it easier to construct a socket into which it can be slotted when the two halves of the base boards are put together.
I may well abandon the foam board material for the new build and use something more substantial, but I have not decided yet.
Regards,
BrianT.
I have a viaduct on Westdorf.
It is about three feet long and curved.
But just to make things more difficult it is a double deck viaduct! (Actualy a triple deck!)
The H0 standard gauge double track main line is on the top deck and on the outside of this is the H0e on a grade starting at about 2 inches above the H0 tracks at one end of the viaduct and finishing at about 3
Thank you Brian for your help and interest in Glen Ogle.
I'm still working on the base boards while I mull over my next foray into viaduct building ;D
I do like the finish on the Faller plasticard random stone work you showed us, I can't seem to find it at the moment with any search on Ebay.
My problem will be the fact that I need 12 plus 3 arches to be true to the location.
When I made my failed model, I managed to get the 12 arches into a 25" length as I was able to dictate the arch radius, this took up 25% of the total baseboard length I was building, I suspect that with the likes of the Faller plasticard, the radius will be dictated by the designers of the plastic material, and as such, the viaduct will probably take up the whole of the baseboard length, impressive, but hardly view worthy to any audience, and I would like to exhibit the finished model at some time, and I don't have a lot of time left. ::)
Are there any other makers of random stone plasticard? There seems to be several brick sheet types available, but not many of stone work?
Regards,
BrianT.
The idea of making a viaduct on a removable base straddling the baseboard join appeals to me. I would use 1"x2" softwood piers pinned and glued to a ply deck. If the piers (supports) are fixed to a base you can control the vertical position far better.
Each softwood support then forms the core of a cardboard or foamboard pier, with arches cut out of the material to fill the space between. This way you don't have to rely on the shape of the flexible sheet material.
Regarding a stone finish, why not take the plunge and apply stones yourself, making them from cardboard strips? I have done so myself for ages, finishing buildings, bridge piers etc. It seems a lot of work, but actually it is very relaxing - I even watch TV during the process. All you need is a great number of cardboard strips produced by a paper shredder. These then are cut into small rectangles which you apply to a surface coated in glue. You pick them up with the point of a sharp knife.
The advantage is you can follow any contour and you don't have to worry about cutting the stone sheet to size. It's cheap, effective and the pattern is absolutely random.
Here is an example (http://www.009dutch.nl/cdr/main/foto/raebridge/p3225378.jpg).
Hello Ted and thank you for your interest and encouragement.
I think the route you suggest may well be the way I will go, with the solid pillars between the base and a deck, I just have to decide which method to clad the timberwork in.
The real life viaduct has random but rough stonework, so possibly a cardboard or foamboard outline, cladding the solid piers, with either Artex or Das overlay scribed for the stonework.
We are getting there, slowly.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
The Faller viaduct kits are not cheep. About
If the viaduct is removable and "bridges" (slots into) two baseboards your idea of building it on a solid base is an excellent one for robustness. It could have a fairly substantial frame of wood; perhaps a top, bottom and verticals of ply or "2x1" covered in card, plasticard, foam board etc?
Thank you every one.
It really is great to be able to bounce ideas around between like minded modellers, something I am not used too, having ploughed a loan furrow in all my project activities in the past.
It can get rather lonely. :-*
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Quote from: gtmspyder on May 16, 2013, 16:17
Thank you every one.
It really is great to be able to bounce ideas around between like minded modellers, something I am not used too, having ploughed a loan furrow in all my project activities in the past.
It can get rather lonely. :-*
Kind regards,
BrianT.
I have always found the forum very helpful during the times when I have been stuck on something, especially when building my first loco. No doubt I will get stuck again, soon !
Bob B.
A little more work on the baseboards today which got me thinking about height from the floor of the layout, and design of suitable legs.
Now I know that this subject has been aired before, but I have not seen any reference to the very stable three legged stool principal being used and wondered if this was worth pursuing?
I thought a height of 3'6" for the baseboards, and as each module will be 4ft long, the master module, the head of glen Ogle, would have three legs, two at the operators side, one at each end, and the third would be on the 2ft centreline. This would allow the operator to be able to lean on the baseboard at the back, and as any general public viewing would be kept a reasonable distance from the front, they would not be leaning on the cantilevered section at each end.
The second module, modelling the lower part of the glen at Lochearnhead, would clip and be doweled to the master module at one end with two legs at the opposite end. This would give the 8ft baseboard of the glen.
The third module carrying the branch line from the exchange station, at the head of glen Ogle, down to Killin on Loch Tay, will join the master module at a right angle, using clips and dowel pins, would again have only three legs, two at the unsupported end of the baseboard, and a third at the unsupported opposite corner.
Thus the three baseboards, would make an ell section in plan view.
Any thoughts please?
Regards,
BrianT
The 3-legged stool works because it is round & there is an equal distance from the leg to each edge, a rectangle with 3 legs will always have an overhang, in your case 2 ft from the centre line, and despite your best intentions, somebody somewhere will lean on an unsupported corner at some point!
If I may suggest, I would always make sure a rectangle is supported at each corner, doesn't have to be with legs, it can be from the board next to it.
The way I would support your three boards is with 4 legs on board 1 and 2 legs on the outer edge of board 2, with the inner edge dowelled & clipped to board 1. I'm not sure how you intend to fit board 3, but if it is on the end of board 2, (making the layout 10' x4'), then I would have 3 legs, with the 4th corner clipped to board 2, and if it is behind board 2, (making the layout 8' x 6'), I would have 2 legs at the back edge of board 3, with the front edge clipped to board 2.
Having the first board freestanding with 4 legs & then supporting other boards from there has worked over many years on 009, N gauge and O gauge layouts, and the latter was 38' x 16' when assembled!
Hope this helps.
Regards
Paul
Hello Paul and thank you.
Thinking about what you have written, you are right, the only board that would only assume a level automatically with the legs extended would be the master board, but, any one leaning on the two front unsupported corners would cause the board to flip.
The other two boards which clip to the two ends of the master board, would still have the inherent problem of wobbling on any uneven floor when hung at one end to the master board, so you might as well fit levelling devices on at least one of the two legs on the end boards to be able to level them.
Any way, that's settled then, but it was worth airing I think. :)
Regards,
BrianT.
Having built the 'Gairloch & Wester Ross Rly' initially on three boards forming an 'L', the corner board has legs at each end that fit into pockets. The two other boards bolt on to it (Tee Bolts) with support legs on the outer ends that fold under supplied by Red Dog. These legs also have diagonal struts to stiffen the whole assembly. For uneven floors we use a range of thin wood blocks. Each board is 4ftx3ft. Unfortunately Red Dog does not exist anymore. Definitely think about diagonal stiffeners. We use them on all our layouts. The height of your layout is entirely up to you. Gairloch and our other layouts all operate at a height we feel comfortable with around 40/42ins. Some modellers prefer even higher which can be contentious with wheelchair bound viewers.
Roger
Thank you for your contribution Roger, I am heartened by the overwhelming response and help available on here.
Regards,
Brian.
Two base boards assembled for the Glen, all held together with screws at the moment as I am awaiting the delivery of dowels and clips from Ebay.
The boards will be dismantled and the end profiles drilled together for the dowels, and then cut to the Glen side shape that I established while the base board was temporarily screwed together.
This was required because the track-bed rises at 1 in30 and has a bend in the middle along this 8ft making it very difficult to establish the track-bed line on the open top baseboard.
The master board at the head of the Glen has four temporary legs attached to test the height, these will be adjusted for height, braced, jointed and hinged to the base board when boards are reassembled with glued joints.
The mess that is my garage with the master baseboard.
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And the two baseboards stacked one above the other.
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The main bearers of the base boards are 2" x 1" pine softwood, made up into "L" girders by gluing and screwing two pieces together, with 2"x1" cross pieces, and profile boards of 6mm MDF at each end.
There will be several other profile pieces along each 4ft length, made up of some 4mm 3ply, which I purchased at a car boot sale locally, while attending as a helper to raise funds for a local charity
A chap came along with sets of five, 5x2ft pieces taped together and being offered at
More work done on the baseboards today. The dowels and clips have arrived from an Ebay supplier and have been fitted, the master baseboard has had it's legs made and fitted from 2x1", with screwed and glued butt joints, and triangular gussets glued and screwed at each butt joint. the head of the Glen end legs, to the right, are hinged to the base board, the 2x1" legs at the centre joint are mortised into and removable completely from, the base board.
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The front profile facia and rear facia have been made from the 3mm 3ply, and the road from Lochearnhead up the Glen has been fitted along the front of the layout, again using the 3mm ply.
Still to do is the actual railway track bed, which will be cantilevered off of the rear facia board for most of it's journey up the Glen except for the viaduct section, which, because of the bend, will turn away from the rear facia board to give a clear space between the viaduct and the rear facia.
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The underside of the road is supported on small triangular brackets, cantilevered from the front facia ply wood at 9" intervals, and further strengthened by hot melt gluing along the edge of the road adjacent to the front facia.
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The profile boards at the ends of the baseboards have still to be cut to the appropriate shape of the Glen, I will have a better idea of the shape when the track bed is in place. I may have further valley profiles to cut for the intermediate space between the end profile boards depending upon how I construct the valley of the Glen. I can't make my mind up whether to go for 25mm dense foam/polystyrene, ( I cant' think of the name of the stuff at the moment.) cut into strips and butt jointed along the length of the Glen, which will not require intermediate profile boards, or the 3mm plywood cut into strips and laid lengthways along the Glen, which would need the additional profile boards as support?
Regards,
BrianT.
Hello again, sorry for the length of time between posts, but I have problem that entails a new hip replacement in the very near future I hope.
I have had to have four days in hospital when my hip joint lining collapsed and left me in excruciating pain as the ball and socket rubbed bone on bone. I have now seen the orthopods and I am now on the official official waiting list for the op. and the medication is helping to alleviate some of the pain.
Today, I have managed to Zimmer frame my way into the garage and do a little work on the layout, I was fed up sitting in the armchair in pain, so I decided to do a little work where I could, and suffer the pain stood up rather than sat down.
So, here is a little progress:-
I was given an 8ft x 2ft x2ins piece of the high quality blue foam board from a building site, this was a little site damaged, but for my use, it is fine. I intend to use this to form the contours of the Glen from the Loch Earn Head bottom of the Glen, to the glen Ogle head, with it's junction transfer station on the way to Crianlaric.
I cut the piece into two, 4ft x 2ft sections, then, each piece lengthways into four sections to suit the different contours of the glen sides.
the idea was that because of the inherent strength of the foam board, it would need little support across it's width when each section was in place and glued to each other. Well, that's the theory anyway.
I fitted the four pieces of foam, temporarily in place on the first of the baseboards, and marked their positions, and then added support pieces to the board framework to support the ends of the foam board.
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You can see the steepest foam support piece, diagonally at the top right of the picture, you will also see chalk line rising, left to right on the back board, this indicates the track base level as it rises up the Glen side. This will have to be transferred to the face of the foam, and the foam will be cut to form a shelf for the track bed, just as it was in the original construction of the line.
The lengths of foam were then replaced, the first or key central piece was held in place with two bamboo skewers put in place through the end profile board, where a support piece could not be fitted because the foam thickness reaches the bottom of the base board, the skewers were pushed into the end grain of the of the foam where it abutted the end profile piece at that end.
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Because of the gradient from left to right as the Glen rises, the opposite end of that piece of foam could have a support piece fitted, as could the other three pieces.
Finally, the rest of the pieces were put into place, the two abutting the road were glued to each other with white PVA, the acute angled piece at the back which will carry the track bed, was just laid on the support pieces, so that I can remove it for working on the track bed later.
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The middle profile board can now be marked out to the foam, then the two baseboards can be split and the first board contoured to the marked line with a jigsaw, the two boards fastened back together, and the cut profile transferred to the second board and cut, ready for laying the blue foam in place in a similar manner to the first
And finally for now, any largish gaps between adjacent pieces of foam, had Paper Mache kitchen towel caulked between them, and white PVA run into the gap. On my next visit to the garage, I will turn the base board over and Paper Mache across the joints to add further strength to them, and when the track bed has been sculpted out of the back piece of foam, I will Paper Mache over the final joint and also the thinned foam board which will be quite thin where the horizontal in cut, meets the vertical in cut to form the track bed support timber.
Regards,
BrianT.
Well here we go again, slowly, very slowly, the baseboards for Glen Ogle are being progressed, I managed an hour or so yesterday before I had to give up.
I started on the second baseboard, which will be the top of the Glen, and as I laid the blue foam, I got to be thinking more and more about what is going to happen to the track when the head of the Glen is reached.
As I have said before, the layout was inspired by the Cliffhanger Layout of Pilotfriend.
Now that basically, is an oval along a cliff, but has got some other interest with a station, the funicular and the Lido to interest, amuse and inspire the viewing public, as well as the magnificent depiction of the scenery.
Compare this to my attempt at Glen Ogle, this has a beautifully scenic Glen, which has the A85 road running up one side, a railway running on a ledge at the other side, with a 20 arch viaduct crossing a section of the Glen where the hill side sets back a while before returning to a position where it is able to carry the line as the line reaches the summit of the Glen.
At this point, the railway and the road come together, and during it
When does a prototype model become a freelance adventure? I tend to think models developed primarily to please others tend to fall short and even more so if they challenge (deliberately or otherwise) an earlier modelling effort. This is particularly the case with an outstanding effort like Cliffhanger. In my opinion you should as far as possible follow your prototype unless you start with a clear idea of how you wish to modify it to meet your modelling aims in the space you have available
Trying to change or develop the theme to give operator interest seems to me a bit like closing the stable door.........
If you stick to the prototype have you got outstanding prototype stock sufficient to hold viewers attention as it traverses the scene? If not you are not modelling the prototype anyway
I am just reading a magazine featuring a magnificent layout faithfully representing a true location. The turntable has been extended to accept prototypical locos that were never turned at this location because of the turntable. I find that odd but I only know the change because the author said so
The original Glen Ogle as described has enough to make me want to see its debut but a 9 inch radius curve at one end, unless carefully disguised, would not appeal to me. BUT as I am often told, it is your layout, do what pleases you
Hope that makes some sort of sense
Peter Smith
Tunnel entrances are perhaps the most common ploy to make track disappear off scene but there are others:
Road bridge - possibly less plausible given the location.
Dense Forestry Commission conifer plantation - a blight on the location, but quite plausible.
A snow tunnel (?? I'm not sure of the terminology) I believe there is something like this on Rannoch Moor
A similar thing but a covering to protect from falling rocks (I've no idea of the correct name) as found on alpine routes - possibly a likely development given the real line was closed due to a land slip. However I don't think these have sides, just a roof.
It might even be possible to suggest the the railway continues on its straight path rather than take a sharp turn. On the other hand there is no reason why the NG line should follow the exact path of the standard gauge predecessor and there may then indeed be a much sharper curve than there was on the original track bed. To be convincing it might be best if the terrain makes it look as if this is a possibility which means that there probably wouldn't be major engineering works involved.
Well now Peter, that's quite an observation, I asked for peoples thoughts, and take on board your observations, which I am sure were given in the spirit of helping.
No offence is taken from your observations, let's establish that from the start, and I will try and explain the mind-set that started me on this path.
I wanted to build a new layout, and had followed the build of Cliffhanger with interest, and saw it in the flesh at the Doncaster show.
During the Spring of this year, I made one of many in the past visits to Scotland, staying on this occasion at St Fillans, not to far from the site of my model. I new the A85 road up Glen Ogle from Past visits, and have all ways thought the viaduct on the hillside very scenic, and thought what a great scenic model it would make, and this holidays drive past the scene, and the thoughts of the model Cliffhanger in mind, decided me to have a go at modelling this as a simple diorama, and so the die was cast, impetuosity took over, and base board build was underway.
As the build progressed, it slowly dawned that, apart from the scenery, there was not a lot of any operational potential, and thoughts were directed towards improving this.
The original diorama concept was thought to be a train traversing the rising grade of the Glen, and turning out of sight and returning back to the bottom, down the back of the scenic section to either another return bend, or a fiddle yard, in other words a roundy roundy layout that just happens to pass through a beautiful scene.
I thought that because I need to have small radius curves to restrict the overall size of the layout, I would imagineer a group of wealthy people coming together to improve the tourist attractions of an area, by opening up a redundant railway line, and making it narrow gauge to reduce build costs .
So, having seen the Isle of Stoner layout, with it
Quote from: GraemeD on June 13, 2013, 23:02
A snow tunnel (?? I'm not sure of the terminology) I believe there is something like this on Rannoch Moor
A similar thing but a covering to protect from falling rocks (I've no idea of the correct name) as found on alpine routes - possibly a likely development given the real line was closed due to a land slip. However I don't think these have sides, just a roof.
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Graeme, They are called "Snow Sheds " -- try Google Search for examples
Garry
Quote from: garrywhiting on June 14, 2013, 06:31
Quote from: GraemeD on June 13, 2013, 23:02
A snow tunnel (?? I'm not sure of the terminology) I believe there is something like this on Rannoch Moor
A similar thing but a covering to protect from falling rocks (I've no idea of the correct name) as found on alpine routes - possibly a likely development given the real line was closed due to a land slip. However I don't think these have sides, just a roof.
Graeme, They are called "Snow Sheds " -- try Google Search for examples
Garry
Thanks Gary. That's the one. It had been a long day and it was getting late!
I should have remembered. I know Alan Mitchell who modelled it, see here:
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I was going to add that placing a point at the hidden curve would allow the track continue to the end of the baseboard to allow for future expansion.
You could always add on to the layout at a later date if you feel it lacks operational interest. What you're doing seems fine. I'm looking forward to your completion of this project. Should be quite an eye catching exhibition layout.
Mal.
Thank you Graham and Mal for your contributions.
I am finding it quite frustrating not being able to progress as fast as I would like because of my duff hip, but the ideas are being taken on board and I do appreciate all your input.
BrianT.
Quote from: WALLSHIRTS on June 14, 2013, 16:39
You could always add on to the layout at a later date if you feel it lacks operational interest. What you're doing seems fine. I'm looking forward to your completion of this project. Should be quite an eye catching exhibition layout.
Mal.
That was my thoughts too. The layout as it stands is very elegant. If anything then perhaps a passing loop on the assumption that this scene is half way along the line. That would add some interest, changes in movement and an excuse to halt trains.
I think the local populace of Lochearnhead and Killin had enough trouble with the Caledonian railway in the past with the siting of there original stations without me pretend engineering a station halfway up a mountainside. ;D ;D ;D
It would look nice though to have a passing loop wouldn't it?
I wonder if a passing loop has ever been constructed on a viaduct? ::) After all, this is going to be narrow gauge built on a standard gauge structure, and the viaduct is the star centrepiece of the layout. :)
Observations anyone?
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Perhaps not a station, but a halt added when the line was reopened as NG is a possibility. It depends on the back story. Is there scenic vantage point nearby for tourists to trek to? A halt need only be a few loads of quarry dust leveled out to keep the weeds at bay. No need for a platform. A really posh one might have the equivalent of a bus shelter.
A simple shelter (and ticket machine) is all there is at the nearest station to home (Dyce) - and that is a busy commuter station and station for Aberdeen airport. Many NG layouts do seem to be very well provided with facilities. (Mind you they quite possibly run services that would put London Underground to shame!)
Been feeling a little better today, so an hour or two in the garage has seen a little progress.
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All the blue foam has now been laid on the base boards and fastened down except for the near vertical back sections where the railway line will be. These have been marked with a chalk line where the track shelf will run.
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To help strengthen these two pieces that will support the railway track, I have pasted on the back a heavy duty lining paper, which will strengthen the foam where a triangular section will be cut away to form the track bed on the Glen side. When this triangular section is cut out, only a thin section of the foam will be left, so I hope the heavy duty paper will, like Paper Mache add strength without weight.
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I could not resist trying a sample cut on the left board section, I cut in along the line drawn on the foam as near to horizontal as I could estimate, then cut down into the foam trying to keep the cut as vertical as possible till the two cuts met. Then I was able to prise out the cut section. I did not cut into the horizontal cut as far as I will need to eventually, as the strengthening paper was still wet and weak. The Multi-Master tool you see in the picture is a multi purpose oscillating cutter with many interchangeable blades, that look like circular saw blades in some instances, but do not rotate, but oscillates at many hundreds of oscillations a minute. The oscillation movements are so short, that you can hold the moving blade gripped in your hand and it does not cut you, because the flesh is not moved far enough during each oscillation so does not open up the skin, this is the kind of tool that will have frightened many people with a pot on there arm when they go into a plaster room at a hospital to have the plaster cast removed. You might just see to the right of the removed section that the horizontal track line has been cut a bit further to the right, then peters out to just a pencil line, this is where the start of the viaduct which with leave the back as it crosses the depression in the Glen side which I have created by angling the two baseboard sections away from the straight, this will eb bridged by the new Viaduct I have yet to make.
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A self explanatory picture showing what the eventual cut will be like.
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I have placed my first abortive attempt at a viaduct in position just to show the approximate location of the new one when built.
Well, that's about it for today, progress is being made, albeit very slowly.
Regards,
BrianT.
A little more work was done today:
The new Viaduct was marked out on some 4mm MDF. I have altered the dimensions slightly as I thought the first attempt looked too spindly, even though the piers were way over length and would have been drastically shortened to fit on the baseboard, I felt that the piers were too close to each other. So I have increased the distance between the piers and increased the thickness of the piers.
This has resulted in an even longer viaduct, and so, to accommodate the viaduct on the layout I have reduced it's length by one arch.
I also found out that the viaduct is very nearly straight in real life, with only a slight curve at it's lower, Lochearnhead end, so the model has been amended accordingly.
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The tools used are shown here, with setsquares, steel rules, pencil and a 58mm holesaw.
I selected an arch diameter that scaled to a size that I had a suitable hole saw available, and drew out the full arch on the 4mm MDF.
I then cut the arches with the 58mm hole saw, and then joined the holes with vertical cuts to the bottom of the viaduct piers to produce the arches.
I was able to use my modellers band saw for two arches in each side, but the limited throat depth meant I had to find an alternate method to cut the remainders in each side piece.
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To do this, I clamped my jigsaw upside down in the Workmate adjustable bench, and used it like a fret saw.
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The deck is again. the 4mm MDF, with only the slightest of curves at one end, I have also cut an exact replica which will strengthen the bottom of the piers.
The piers themselves now have an inner core of 2" X 1"PSE to hold them square and straight.
And here is the part completed new viaduct, there are still additional pier cores to fit, and the lower decking copy to fasten to the pier bottoms.
I am going to have some fun I fear when I start to excavate the blue foam for the viaduct piers. I think I am going to have to do a wholesale chop of the back scenic'ed section, and then rebuild the scenery between and around the piers. I am trying to do as much of the scenery as possible in the foam to keep the weight of the sections reasonable. Normally, I would just fill the areas with Artex plaster, and contour to suit the location
Regards,
BrianT.
Brian
you didnt like my earlier comments but, as I said, and your latest pics confirm, the original idea has enough appeal without introduced operating enhancement. The viaduct is great and in due course when sceniced a train traversing the line will be very attractive
Peter Smith
Hello Peter and good morning. ;)
I did not take offence at your earlier post at all, if I post things on this or any other forum, I am giving people the opportunity to comment, and not all the comments necessarily agree with what I have in mind.
As I tried to explain in my answer to your previous comments, I do not go into the minutia at the pre planning stage, ::) it is inevitable that what I produce has many alterations along the way, and this last post I have made, shows further thought processes, and quite possibly, influenced by members comments, that is why I post in such a long winded way.
I think when coming across a subject post that interests one for the first time, it is better to go back to the very first post on that subject by the poster, to see what the thought processes of the poster, ie me, are. This is in no way a suggestion that whoever is reading my posts, whenever, do not do this, but as I change my mind quite a lot as I progress, some of my posts may not make a lot of sense if read in isolation. ;D
I enjoy this and many other forums that I frequent, from each I learn something, one has never stopped learning, and at 75, I am still as receptive as I ever was.
Please, whoever is out there, make your comments, and I thank you all in advance, whatever the flavour.
Kindest regards, :-* :-* :-*
BrianT.
I've been a little busy on the viaduct today.
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I bought some 300gsm card to fill in the arches on the viaduct. I marked out parallel strips by setting a compass to the required dimension and the striking off an arc from the edge to mark the cut line, then shunting the compass to the arc and striking another arc etc. until I had done as many strips as I could get out of one sheet.
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Using a compass in this way allows the dimensions to be easily transferred without having to keep trying to measure on the millimetre scale over and over again with the possible resulting inaccuracy.
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I then cut the strips with a Stanley knife against a steel rule.
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The strips were glued between the arches using UHU glue.
As I said in an earlier post, more research into the viaduct brought, to light the fact that the curve in the viaduct was no where near as pronounced as I modelled it in my first abortive attempt, and what little curvature there was lay at the lower, or left end as viewed from the road, so this is what the model looks like now.
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That's all for tonight folks,
BrianT.
I like the step by step tutorial, Brian - that's what helps other modellers along. It's a great project and a good addition to the growing number of Scottish layouts!
I agree, Brian. I have had a viaduct on my "to-do" list from way before Angst was thought about, so it's good to see how you are doing it.
Thank you.
It's coming along very nicely Brian and is much improved from the Mark 1. Perseverence pays dividends!
I echo the comments already made that your step by step tutorial style makes for very interesting reading.
Mick
I have started to get the base boards ready to accept the new viaduct, the first task was to start trimming the blue foam where the viaduct was to be positioned across the base board joint.
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Having reduced the foam thickness, the base board formers were in the way, so these were cut back to the foam thickness.
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When gluing the foam in place, I temporarily held it with screws to the back board, and these now needed to be removed to allow the cutter to progress.
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Then the viaduct could be test fitted in position to see how much of the foam below the piers need to be removed.
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before finally being able to rest the viaduct in its position joining up the adjacent two track bed profiles.
Well at last Photo bucket has decided to co-operate and I can post todays progress:-
With the viaduct now ready and able to be to slotted in place, I needed to have the two approach track beds laid along the ledge cut out of the blue foam.
I decided that the track beds, when in position, would initially support the viaduct at each end, until I could split the base boards and do some work to underneath the viaduct to help support it. With this in mind, I glued a small section of MDf underneath the ends of the track bed sections to carry the viaduct.
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I used a mastic to lay a bed of soft Gunna Nail, one of many nail mastics that when set, will hold large structures in place.
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This was worked into the blue mastic to make sure that it had well and truly stuck to the foam, I have found in the past, that just gunning the mastic onto a surface, sometimes does not stick properly if the surface to be stuck together, is just placed upon the top of the mastic and pushed together, so I rub the mastic into the surfaces before bringing them together, and there is no better tool than your digits. Luckily, this particular mastic is water soluble while soft, and is easily washed off.
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The prepared track bed was then dropped into place on the bed of mastic.
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And checked for level across its width, and straightness along it's length.
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The track beds were made over long, and to fit them between the viaduct and the baseboard end profile boards, a slot was cut through the end profile boards and the track beds poked throughas they were bedded onto the mastic.
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The mastic having been checked was left to set.
The two tongues of track-bed protruding through each end of the base board, will be easily picked up at some time in the future, when I finally decide, how I am going to terminate or turn the track at that point.
I will cut a portal through the end profile boards with a suitable sized hole cutter to accommodate the rolling stock, when I get to this stage of the build.
The viaduct in place after the track bed had set solid.
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The scenic support around the viaduct is starting to be built up, between the piers, which will lift out with the viaduct, and around the bottom of the viaduct piers, which is part of the base board proper.
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Regards,
BrianT.
This is looking good Brian.
Something to watch out for is a ridge at the joint between the trackbed and the viaduct.
It may be the angle of the photo but it looks like the approach trackbed is on a grade and the viaduct is flat. Unless you bend down the end of the trackbed you may end up with a ridge at the joint that could cause problems later with couplings and even stalling locos.
But as I said it could just be the angle of the photo the approach trackbed could be level like the viaduct.
We use
I am going to tread cautiously, as I do not wish to offend....
In Brian's first paragraph he uses the term "ridge" in its correct context. In the last paragraph he speaks of "ridged" supports. However, I guess that this does not mean 'supports with ridges', but actually "rigid" supports, which from the description, serve to ensure the trackbed either side of the joint is kept at the same level, and allows the smooth transitions between level and gradient.
I hope I have correctly interpreted your meaning Brian? I am afraid that spelling and grammar form a significant part of my job, and I find myself "proof-reading" others' work!
Tim
Thank you Brian and Tim.
I knew what you meant Brian and the straight edge was laid across the joint to check that all was well.
Regards,
BrianT.
A start was made on the topography today with various little bits of infill glued in place where gaps had formed where the pieces of foam abutted each other, as I tried to get the most economical use, out of the piece of blue foam at my disposal.
I marked out the widening riverbed with black marker pen as it collects water from both sides of the rising Glen, with a feed from culverts under the road draining the East side of the Glen, a stream bridged by the viaduct on the West side of the Glen, and run off from the top of the Glen.
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I then cut into the base foam with the vibra cutter along both sides of the marked line.
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Then cut and lifted the unwanted section out to form the riverbed.
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I couldn't resist just laying a couple of lengths of track across the viaduct and placing the railbus and Lilliput 060 with a parcels van on the track.
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That's about it for now, I am taking my wife out for a meal to celebrate our fifty fourth wedding anniversary this evening, so no more modelling today.
Regards,
BrianT.
Quote from: gtmspyder on June 28, 2013, 16:26
... fifty fourth wedding anniversary this evening...
Congratulations!
Thank you Hugh, we had a nice meal with a couple of old friends and pleasant evening in there company.
Regards,
BrianT.
Footnote - the memsahib and I are approaching our 32nd. we got married a few days after Charles and Di. It's lasted a bit longer than theirs! :D
Congratulations when the day comes Hugh!!!!
Frank
Whoops, what have I started, congratulations for the day, to anyone coming up for a wedding anniversary. ;D
That's going to save me a lot of typing I hope. ;) ;) ;)
Regards to all participants,
BrianT.
My 47th next Tuesday. We got married same day as England played Portugal quarter final of the 66 World Cup - it helps me to remember to get the right date, but I do also have a phone call booked from the Samaritans....................
Mick
Right then I promise not to mention my birthday and likely Christmas present, honest. ;)
So back to Glen Ogle, it's trials and tribulations.
I mentioned earlier that I had used a heavy duty wall paper lining paper to help strengthen the joints in the blue foam, I am still using this method as it does seem to do what it says on the tin, and more has been added when I split the two sections of base board and was able to turn the model over..
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I have started to cover the foam with Artex .
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With the boards split, you can see where the viaduct drops into place and where I have started to form a scenic break across the head of the Glen by creating a jutting rock face through which the rolling stock will disappear off scene.
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And the viaduct placed on the half board.
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BrianT.
A little more progress made today:-
I have coated the viaduct and track bed approach, both sides, with varnish today, ready for the laying of the track on the approaches and across the viaduct, and also ready for laying the DAS modelling clay on the viaduct piers and arches to model the random stone work. The varnish I hope will protect the rather thin MDF I have used for the track bed and viaduct from the wetness of the modelling clay and when laying the ballast and fixing.
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I have also done more work on the scenic break to the right at the head of the Glen, with a tunnel mouth leading off scene.
This view looking down towards the bottom of the Glen, shows the slight widening of the track bed at the approach to the tunnel at the top and a track leading to the road, I thought I might have a small Halt here for the passengers to disembark and take a scenic look back down the Glen.
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You might also note that the baseboards now have a smidgen of colour applied overall of Brown and Green diluted poster colour, sprayed on with one of my wife's ex household bleach sprays, just to remove the overall starkness of the white Artex, I was going snow blind. ;)
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Well, that's it for today, not a lot done really, but I'm still struggling with the hip, and I need to let several sections thoroughly dry out where I have done a lot of wet work with Paper Mache around the viaduct.
Regards,
BrianT.
Well, today I have been drain building, or more accurately, culvert building under the A85 as it climbs Glen Ogle on it's way West to Crianlaric and the coast.
The Glen has mountains to the East and West of it, the railway travels up the West side and the A85 up the East, and both collect a lot of water which is channelled into Loch Earn.
One of the tributaries passes through the viaduct on the West, but on the East, the road gets in the way and a culvert had to be constructed to channel the water down to the growing river in the valley bottom. On one memorable occasion, the culvert became blocked with debris, and the water inundated the road in two places as it spilled across, blocking it, and trapping several vehicles on the rising gradient, which had to be rescued when the road was eventually cleared of boulders, luckily, no one was injured, and I think all the vehicles escaped damage.
I decided that the culvert would have to fit into the location as I had modelled it, and therefore, would have to be bespoke to that position, which would make it difficult to construct off site, so I settled on the overall dimensions in my head and cut some pieces of 20thou black styrene to cover the rough dimensions, and then took them to the baseboard and cut and assembled them in situ.
I had decided the size of the roadside wall overlooking the culvert, so the first job was to make a cut out in the base foam to fit this wall, two parallel cuts were made down into the foam with the reciprocating saw the length of the wall section.
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Then the wall section was inserted into the cut out section to check for depth and to mark the walls protrusion out of the ground to give an approximate wall height at the road side of 3ft, (half an inch in our scale)
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I then cut down into the foam at right angles, in line with the flow from the culvert, and this section of foam was removed.
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With the roadside wall in place, I was able to estimate the angle of the stone work that would guide the water, as it left the concrete pipe laid under the road, and cut the two side pieces to fit the multi angled position. To simulate the concrete pipe, I used a section cut from a piece of tank overflow pipe, and cut a hole in the wall section for it to poke through. Finally, I cut a section of plasticard to fill in the floor of spill way.
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The nearly finished plasticard model, drying out from all the solvent. The angle of the delivery pipe has yet to be adjusted, by slightly ovaling the hole through which it passes, to line it up more with the spill way.
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And the spill way wall ends. and the floor of the spill way, lined up.
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Tomorrow will see my first attempts at lining the plasticard model with DAS and scribing the stonework on it before dropping it into place and fixing to the baseboard.
To fix the DAS clay to the plastic, what is recommended to act as a key between the two dissimilar materials, PVA on the plastic, or MEK liberally laid on? Do I roll out the Das with a rolling pin type tool before picking up and placing on the plastic, or pressing small lumps in place, and then flattening it to a suitable thickness on the plastic model?
Regards,
BrianT.
Well folks, my first attempt with DAS modelling clay on the culvert, what do you think??
I really would appreciate absolute honesty because I can easily strip the DAS off and redo.
I think the mortar lines want a rub to remove the fash, and the capping stones are not very square edged, but see what you can recommend please. :)
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Regards,
BrianT.
It is looking good. What "age" is the culvert? By the looks of it, with the pipe protruding, it is a recent concrete pipe culvert with modern "decorative" stonework. An older one would probably be all stone.
You have the pipe protruding on the outside, but what do you have planned for visible part the under the road through the hole?
If you can get rid of the 'swarf' on the courses, I think it will do very well. Much better anyway than my card squares glued on to a backing piece. I wouldn't mind a slightly random pattern.
Well, I did write a long answer to Graeme's post addressing and explaining my thought's, but Ted's post had been posted in the meantime, and I have lost my post while looking to see what had been posted, so here we go again.
The two first pictures where you can see through the white tube, were off scene photo's, taken to get a good view of the modelled culvert.
In actual fact, when placed in position on the base board, the only way to get a similar picture would require the camera to be placed in front of the viaduct looking back across the base board towards the road, and in fact, to see the culvert at all, one would have to look down from the road above, so this little bit of scenifying will be very little seen in day to day use, but I know it is there.
The use of cast concrete pipes to make culverts for waste water is a fairly modern use, but they have been used for this purpose for over fifty years or more, and while I have passed over this culvert for many years on holidays, I have not viewed it in the flesh, so I have done my best.
The stark white of the plastic will be toned down with a more realistic concrete grey, and the inside will be painted black, although other than my photo's on here, you will probably never see it again.
I think a hard tooth brushing of the DAS will hope fully remove the flash lines of the mortar joints produced by the scribing process. A weak solution of black will be run into the joints, and the Devon Red of the raw DAS will be toned down by a selection of other stone colouring applied to individual stones.
Then some greens for the algae and weeds scattered around should finish off the scene.
Thank you Graeme and Ted for your comments.
Regards,
BrianT
Here are some picture upgrades of the Glen.
The hopefully improved culvert with new capping stones to the wall, and the stonework mortar lines less defined by flash.
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I did note the clay parting from the backing plasticard, and I have done something about it. ;)
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A view of the viaduct from the culvert wall.
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The viaduct has had it's first coat of clay applied over a coating of PVA, still a lot more to do, arch capping's to the arches and lots of scribing to do.
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The fresh coat of over all green alters the look of the scene quite a lot in this view.
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Just to keep things on the move, not a lot of progress really.
Regards,
BrianT.
We appear to have had a landslide over night, blocking the track bed, a few garden centre ground cover pebbles acquired once when I thought, "they might come in handy sometime", I need some more now, I only picked up a hand full at the time.
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The river bed and culvert have been detailed ready for a pour of clear varnish when the coloured plaster has dried.
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Onwards and upwards.
BrianT.
Well, here we are again, a little more done to the scene.
The viaduct stone work clay has been cleaned up and smoothed, and the prominent arch stone work base has been applied ready for the final carving of the courses, and a few trees have been added, transhipped all the way from China.
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The trees come in packs of ten in plastic bags, and well packed in jiffy type bags overall, the service was exceptional, and at
I've been using those trees for several years now. I've found that giving them a coating of different shades of green flock improves things immensely...
I've done a little more work on the viaduct today, getting it ready to start scribing the stone work.
The hardened DAS clay was sanded flat ready to start the scribing process.
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I then set a double pointed compass to a scale eighteen inches and struck off the dimensions around the arch support stones.
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I then made more prominent the lightly scribed lines using the Exacto saw.
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Then the horizontal lines of the structural stone work were scribed.
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The dust from the scribe lines was continually vacuumed away, but I still ended up looking like a red Indian ;D
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The part finished length of viaduct just waiting for the random scribing of the vertical lines of mortar to be applied.
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Still plenty to do on the viaduct but I'm hampered by my leg some what.
regards,
BrianT.
Brian
it may be hot but I am watching the transformation !
Peter Smith
I agree - looks good.
I must admit to feeling a bit queasy when this page first loaded - the top photo looked like you'd done something to your fingers - especially with the watch just visible!
No Hugh, still four and a thumb on each hand. ;D
I've just finished scribing all the stones on the Viaduct face, and there's a lot I'll tell you.
Debating whether you lot will notice if I do not scribe the stones under each arch, something tells me you will. ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
Duck's flippers? ;D
Just kidding - the work being done on Glen Ogle is excellent. I'm looking forward to seeing further scenic development.
By the way, in the latest RM is a photo of a Caley 0-4-4T on a standard gauge train in Glen Ogle, in case you're interested.
Hello Ted.
Thank you for your interest.
I have the copy of RM with the article about Caley tanks, very fortuitous considering there has been very little information about the Calendar and Oban railway. I only buy an occasional RM if anything catches my eye, as I subscribe to the Model Railways magazine.
That was a daily run from Killin down to Calendar and back for the school children, I think the engine was stabled overnight in Killin.
I'm not certain whether it returned to Killin during the day to be able to transfer any residents from Killin to the interchange station to allow passengers to catch the trains to and from Calendar and oban during the intervening hours.
The engine would have had to reverse around it's carriage at the interchange station at the head of Glen Ogle to stay in front of the train going down the Glen to Calendar.
Are you going to be counting the under arch stone work Ted ???? ::)
Regards,
BrianT.
Counting the under arch stonework? That would be like picking nits, would it? :o
I like the Caley tanks by the way - a nice example of the large wheeled 0-4-4T. You'd think the large leading wheels would climb the outer rail on a curve, but the weight aft would shift to the outside and help guide the front end into the curve. I found this principle mentioned when reading of the LBSCR 'Gladstone' class in a book on Stroudley.
Off topic of course...
It would indeed Ted, but you can bet someone, some where, will. ::)
BrianT.
Brian,
I think it will depend upon what the viewing angle is going to be. If the arches are below eye level then I can't see that you need to go to the trouble but if the viewers are looking up at the viaduct from across the glen as it were, so that the arches or part of the arches are visible, then it may well be necessary to show the detail.
Perhaps a compromise would be to show the first couple of rows of brickwork that may be visible - by trying out all possible viewing angles, then "fading out" towards the back by painting the underside of the arches in a darker colour?
Just an idea
Mick
Good morning Mick.
That sounds like a plan :-* I may well have a go at that.
Regards,
BrianT.
More scribing on the viaduct.
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The dental picks used to create the effect.
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It is a very tedious process but the finished effect makes it very worthwhile.
The more observant amongst you might notice that the capping stone are not the DAS blocks I so carefully made. I have instead cut strips of plasticard of the correct width, and scribed the capstone lengths along them. I ran out of patience trying to fit the separate capping stones as I kept knocking the first one placed off as I tried to position the second. ::)
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You do need good light, and a steady hand.
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The bright sunshine helped with the first requirement, I'll have to take more pills to help with the second. ;)
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More later when I have given it a coat of mortar paint to fill the scribe lines, and painted the capping stones to try and match the walls.
Regards,
BrianT.
More photo's as promised earlier today.
With a little varnish added to the water courses, the viaduct with a coat of very dilute black to fill the mortar courses, a scattering of straight from the bag Chinese trees quickly planted, two lengths of Peco narrow gauge mainline rail placed on the viaduct, and a Lilliput 060 and goods van placed upon that and voila.
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You might notice a little in front of the engine a new addition to the scene in the form of a yet to be finished water fall feeding the brook that passes below the viaduct.
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This is to help disguise the cross baseboard joint and is a piece of plastic sheeting I had lying around, Not Plasticard.
I cut a one inch groove in the baseboard over the joint, biased to the right as you look, of the baseboard joint. The piece of plastic is glued to the right hand side of the back overlapping the left hand side of the joint such that in theory, (I haven't tried it yet) ;) when the boards are split, the fixed plastic will move away from the joint. This will make the protruding piece of plastic vulnerable to damage as the boards are handled, but we will have to see.
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To try and hide the base board joint where the road crosses, I have modelled a half dug trench to disrupt the traffic, as it climbs Glen Ogle, this is just visible on this next photo.
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One last photo for tonight looking back down the Glen.
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Regards,
BrianT.
that is some transformation and it can only get better
Peter Smith
Thank you Peter, I would like to think so :)
Regards,
BrianT.
Getting ready to lay the bit of track that traverses the Glen, all 8 foot of it.
The main bit is the part that crosses the viaduct, need to make sure the viaduct always fits in exactly the same position, and because it has to be removed to disassemble the layout, it needs an easily disconnectable feed.
To achieve this end, I have come up with the following method;-
I have taken eight lengths of pcb the width of the track bed, and in four of them, drilled two holes to accept 6BA bolts as two pairs to be bolted together. the 6BA bolts were sweated in place into two of them, two colour coded lengths of feed wire soldered in place, and an insulating break was cut across the pcb.
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The length of pcb with the wires attached, was fitted below the fixed end of of the track bed at each end of the viaduct, with the bolt lengths protruding through the fixed track bed tongues that support the viaduct, and onto these protruding bolts, will drop the viaduct proper.
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On the viaduct, the twin piece of pcb with the holes, will drop over the bolts already protruding through the track bed, and be glued into place. With the nuts fitted to the top, the power is carried from below to above the track bed, the viaduct rails will be soldered to the top of the pcb at each end.
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I have also done a little more scenic work, I did not like my first effort at a landslip, so this is my second.
It now starts above the track bed, has spilled across the lines and on down into the bottom of the glen, blocking for a time, the river bed, and across to the opposite bank. The river has cleared itself by washing the debris down it's length
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Another coat of varnish has been applied and run over the land slip debris.
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Here is a comparison between the two land slips.
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And one or two small areas of water have collected in several depressions around the area.
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That's about it for tonight,
BrianT.
Here is a comparison of the two landslips I have modelled, I am not sure now which I prefer, what are your thoughts please.
Before.
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And after.
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BrianT.
After! But with a wider fan and some of the larger boulders at the bottom as their weight would carry them further.
Roger
I too think the latter, large boulders are generally hard to make convincing in model form.
I am most impressed by how the bridge has evolved and when greenery is added the scene will look excellent and short trains will take a while to trundle thro the scene
A lot also depends on whether the land slips are recent or are gradually becoming part of the scene and have greenery in them. Waiting for the waterfall!
Hope its as much fun to do as it is to watch it evolve
Peter Smith
Thank you gentlemen, from yours and a comment from the NGRM, I will slightly modify it.
It is intended to look like an old landslip, so will be decorated with some greenery as work progresses.
Regards,
BrianT.
Right then, a little more work on Glen Ogle's landslip.
I dug out the rockery I had modelled above the track bed and widened the damage section, then I covered the area with the Gunna-nail mastic, spreading it with my digit to make sure it had taken hold of the complete area.
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I then pushed into the soft mastic the rock debris I am using. The lower section of the land-slip below the track-bed, I widened and added small debris and larger rocks towards the bottom. I also widened the overspill area at the other side of the river.
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Then painted all the general area with dilute PVA and scattered some green flock, and made up some small bushes to place in among the scree of the land-slip. The bushes are still wet with the dilute PVA hence the white look of them.
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To clean up the excess green flock, I have made myself a purpose flock collector.
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I have in the past, simply stuffed a piece of cloth up the vacuum cleaner hose end, and run the hose end over the flocked area to collect excess greenery, but I now use this paint brush cleaner bath, which I bought from Wickes. This has two internal container sections for clean and dirty Turps/White Spirits, the lid has two slits in to be able to push a paint brush through and suspend them in the liquid to clean the brushes of oil paint. I drilled a 12mm hole near the bottom of one of the internal container sections, to accept a piece of garden hose, and stuck a piece of woman's tights' tops, across the top of the internal partition, to make a flock proff barrier between the two internal sections.
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I blocked up one of of the lid holes with masking tape, the other accepts the hose end of the vacuum cleaner.
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With the lid in place, the container now has two internal container sections, one open to the green hose, the other accepting the hose end of the vacuum cleaner, divided by material which will allow air to pass through it, but stop any of the greenery and depositi it in it's own contained section.
With the vac turned on, and the end of the green hose held near any loose material, the material quickly goes up the green pipe and is deposited into the internal container, to be recovered for reuse.
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Voila, captured greenery, plus anything else that was lying around near the end of the green suction hose.
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And that's about it for today. The flock vac is not yet patented, so feel free to copy. ;D ;D ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
Another of my interests is railway poster art and I was looking through my copy of Richard Furness's book 'Poster To Poster, Volume 1 Scotland.
On page 65 is illustrated a poster of Glen Ogle by Terence Cuneo for BR Scottish Region from 1952. Cuneo has painted the viaduct, in the distance, as seen from the loco cab. He has painted the scene with plenty of colour variation in both rocks, shrubbery and ground cover. That is how I have sceniced all of the layouts I have built. Please don't stick one with one flat green get as much variation as you can muster as well as different textures for the shrubbery. A couple of weeks ago in the good weather I had a trip on the TR up the Fathew Valley. I took a series of photos from the train as it progressed of the opposite side of the valley. Looking closely at them reveals just how much colour variation nature provides. When exhibiting the layouts many people ask us how we achieve the scenery. Our answer is nearly always observation of what is all around us especially in the area the layout is supposed to represent.
Roger
Hello Roger, gimmee time. ;D
This colour you have seen was a quick cover with a bag I had in stock just to see how it looked, I have no doubt that I have many hours of work in front of me before I will be satisfied that I have approached anything like a finish.
I do not have Cuneo's skills however, and in any case, the changing seasons and lighting will make it impossible for me to truly re-create the scene at any time in Glen Ogle, but I will do my best.
Thank you for your interest.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Brian
I am not trying to rush you at all. I will be taking a layout to the Convention and over the last couple of days I have spruced it up a little here and there in readiness. What follows applies to all who are building a layout. The layout in question was first exhibited twenty years ago so there has been plenty of wear and tear. In that time span the scenics have evolved with all those colour variations added on to the basic ground cover when the layout was first begun. Trees have been replaced with better specimens with some more added only yesterday. Time does not stand still and neither should a layout. To keep it fresh work needs to be done on a layout maybe once a year, a sort of annual inspection if you get my drift. Over the years you may come across certain items that catch your attention with the thought, 'that would look good on the layout'. Over the years I have collected various scenic materials from different sources. Most are Woodland Scenics, Green Scene who also produce excellent textured paints, Anita D
Thank you Roger, I understood your sentiments, no offence was taken, and I do appreciate the feedback I get from the forums.
just as a matter of interest, no actual damage was done to the track bed or the track at the time, and it could have been quickly cleared away.
The track bed, now clear of rails, is actually an official walk and cycleway, and nothing has been done to secure it from further landslips.. The only concession to health and safety, is to install handrails to the capping stones across the viaduct.
My conjecture for the model is that before the path and cycleway were officially mooted, a group of well to do business people decided to use the track bed to lay a two foot gauge railway up the glen as a tourist attraction, and that is where we are now. ;D
Kind regards,
BrianT.
A little more modelling updates.
I split the layout to check that all the work I had previously done had not stuck the two halves together, and that the waterfall did part as intended.
It seems to have worked, the rebate formed by the piece of plastic overlapping the joint parted cleanly, and when back together does successfully hide the baseboard joint behind it.
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Here are a few random photo's of the layout back together in it's present state.
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The next photo shows another of my ways to hide the baseboard joints.
From the road, down towards the river, I have routed out the edge of the baseboard to a depth of 10mm or so and 10mm wide, when the boards are butted together, this forms a trench from road to river. I intend to put a JCB at this point with the shovel down into the trench, I have all ready modelled the waste from the trench down the side of the trench. I will make some clay drain pipes and hope it will look as though the local highways dept. are laying a land drain from a road grate on the bend of the road where the water collects, and channelling it down into the river, thus instead of trying to hide the crack in the baseboards, I am drawing attention to it and using it as a cameo feature.
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Regards,
BrianT.
those views along the layout are really good and I hope will remain available to viewers. Coming along really well
Peter Smith
Can we call this progress do you think? :D
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Regards,
BrianT.
Or perhaps this one might be more to your taste? ::)
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You will have to click on the picture to get any results, don't know if I have done this right :-\
Sorry about the noises off, I think it could be the autofocus motor hunting.
BrianT.
Hello again, I have not been completely idle during my absence from the forum.
You may recall this scene:-
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This shows the trench excavated from the A85 road across the valley to the river Ogle below, ready to lay drain pipes from a surface water road grate on the A85 and divert it into the adjacent river.
Well this trench was excavated by one of the wonders of Mr J C Bamford, and Dapol/Airfix just happen to have a kit of a Mk3 JCB available, and for the princely sum of
A little more progress.
The JCB is in it's digging position, although not finalised.
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The drain pipes have been offloaded at the roadside.
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A view up the baseboard.
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In the back ground, just before the tunnel, you can see the wayside halt under construction, and I really could do with some input from the members please with regard to this feature.
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This is the proposed position for the wayside halt, where passengers can alight to view the scene, back down the Glen towards Loch Earn, and the village of Lochearnhead where they supposedly joined the train.
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A small platform has been built by the volunteers, and a derelict signal box acquired, rebuilt and refurbished on site.
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They have also acquired an old waiting room which could be sited on the platform?
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Or as an alternative, a conservatory type building would be a cheap alternative as a waiting room?
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Or even both as a caf
You know, the more I look at this picture, the more I think that I have modelled it the wrong way round. :-\
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I think the JCB Driver would have started digging down by the river first and worked his way back up towards the road, finishing up on the road for the final few bucket's, and dug deeper to accept the grate pan that would have been dropped into the hole before bricking the grate aperture.
Ah well, the joys of modelling, time for some reconstruction methinks.
Don't forget I'm still waiting for some brainstorming ideas for the Halt, don't leave it all upto me, you can see from the above that I'm not very reliable. ::) ::) ::) ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
Now I will admit to being very wary of posting this, and I apologise unreservedly to anyone who may be offended by what I post, but I am intrigued to know the answer.
As anyone visiting this and the other two Narrow gauge forums know, I am building a layout called Glen Ogle.
I make detailed posts on it's progress, and often invite comments and suggestions from the forum members, I try to be polite, and thank anyone who responds, I even try a little humour, although I admit to not being very good at it, so why is there so little response??
Are my posts boring?
Are they too long and detailed?
Am I doing the subject to death?
Does my style annoy?
Is the subject matter uninteresting?
Do members not want to be involved in others efforts?
Do people think that the layout concept is flawed?, and " I really should not have started from there", in the words of the old joke?
Would this layout, if ever approaching completion, merit an invite to an exhibition?
I think that about covers all the questions, your answers will be read and responded to, whatever the view you express.
Kind regards to all that read,
Brian Twigg.
Taking the questions in turn and accepting that this is my opinion and others may have different opinions:
>Are my posts boring?
Nope, absolutely not.
>Are they too long and detailed?
Nope, absolutely not.
>Am I doing the subject to death?
Nope, absolutely not. I, for one, enjoy the extended descriptions as they make for good reading.
>Does my style annoy?
Nope, absolutely not.
>Is the subject matter uninteresting?
Nope, absolutely not.
>Do members not want to be involved in others efforts?
Ah, now then. I'd give a lot more feedback on things if I wasn't running around like the proverbial blue-rear-ended fly in work at the moment, trying to get things fixed before the deadline arrives. Given that I've had 17 meetings in 2 weeks and I'm solving problems the rest of the time, I'm afraid I'm not as involved in things as I would like to be.
>Do people think that the layout concept is flawed?, and " I really should not have started from there", in the words of the old joke?
Not at all. I like the idea, you've executed it really well and I'm very jealous :-)
>Would this layout, if ever approaching completion, merit an invite to an exhibition?
I would invite it if my club hadn't stopped holding exhibitions (which was actually the last straw on my membership, sigh).
In my opinion, you're doing a good job and you should continue doing what you're doing.
And now... I've got two meetings this afternoon and a bunch of debug work do on a program that I know nothing about... sigh...
Hello Rod, thank you for your comprehensive post and for taking time out of your busy schedule to do it.
I'm afraid my undoubted insecurity is showing in posing the questions, something I have had to live with all my life,
despite my several achievements.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Hi Brian,
I do regularly read your posts and do find them very interesting. I don't comment on them as this is (please don't take this the wrong way!) not my kind of layout, not something I have experience of doing, as I don't have the space. So I read with interest and learn from what you are doing, but don't feel I can offer much in the way of comment.
But don't take my reticence as disinterest, please carry on!
Frank
For my part as a long time lurker, and with this post a first time poster I've thoroughly enjoyed reading about your progress. As a recent returnee to railway modelling following retirement my lack of response has been down to my lack of skills and knowledge. Heaven knows what that viaduct would look like had I built it, so it seems a bit presumptuous for me to comment. However I have learned a lot by reading this post and I find nothing wrong with the style, length, subject matter etc. Operationally and design wise I don't know enough to comment but the layout looks easily good enough for exhibition and I for one hope to see it one day.
There are a lot of excellent layouts and models on this site and I suspect a number of people like me, who keep our own efforts discreetly hidden so as not to shock the rest of you but who should really at least take the time and effort to thank you and others for interesting and inspirational posts - otherwise where is your incentive to keep posting?
You have asked for thoughts about a shelter for the halt. Anyone who has stood for any length of time on a Scottish hillside in July, let alone December will appreciate the need for a shelter of some sort, or at least a stout post to tie yourself to ;D. Is the location of the halt near enough to any hill walkers trails and far enough from civilization to justify provision of a bothy? If so could the bothy providing authorities be persuaded to let it double up as or incorporate a shelter for the halt?
Meanwhile please keep the posts coming.
Regards
Paul C
Thank you Frank and Paul for your support.
I've just come in from my garage where I am re arranging the drain pipe trench, I've got some road cones on order off EBay, and the A85 is currently shut half way up Glen Ogle by a JCB straddling the road. :police: ;D
Kind regards,
BrianT.
A85 shut for roadworks? That's sounding almost too realistic :)
Regards
Paul
Well Paul, there's definitely a JCB slewed across the road at a point midway up Glen Ogle at the moment, according to my hillside mounted spy camera, luckily, traffic is very light, and the few motorist inconvenienced have got out of there vehicles and are busy photographing the slow moving 060 pulling a couple of toast-rack coaches up the incline, over the elegant viaduct, and on towards the halt. ::) ;D
Ah, if only.
Regards,
BrianT
I have become wary of posting because the next stage invariably puts to rest any misgivings I have. I continue to enjoy your pics and commentary. I did a response which got lost somewhere in the ether and thought maybe there was a message for me somewhere! I thought the two buildings were too uniform in size and maybe a bit tall but will wait to see what actually develops. The JCB is a bit modern for my taste but I understand its context and I agree with your view on the direction of travel
The lack of response may well be due to holidays and activity levels are low on all the forums I subscribe to. At least your commentary is about modelling and unlike many threads hasnt been sidetracked by pc or forum technical issues that bore me stiff
Peter Smith
From our reporter, Jenny Jones on the A85, today, thursday29/08/2013.
"From my position on the hillside above Glen Ogle, I can see the A85 is still blocked today due to continuing road works".
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"The new surface water drain is nearly ready for laying in the trench", said a spokesman for the Perthshire County Council today. "We apologise for the disruption caused by this essential work", he continued.
"The culvert wall has been built, the first section of drain pipe has been set in place, and the coffer enabling dam removed".
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Mr. Mctavish of Perth County Council roadworks went on to say. "We apologise for the short notice of roadworks disruption, but it was essential that the work was undertaken quickly while the good weather prevailed, and the water level in River Ogle was low."
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"We have also taken this opportunity to carry out some repairs to the culvert outlet near a previous landslip that damaged the old railway, at the request of the Board of Directors of the new Glen Ogle Railway Company. This work will be paid for by that company, and no cost has been carried by the rate payers of the PCC". He assured me.
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"The pictures are from our staff photographer who unfortunately, broke his leg as he scrambled to get into position to look at the Trifids growing adjacent to one of the small ponds below the viaduct. It turns out that these are a new breed of bull rushes, recently set in varnish, waiting to be trimmed to size by the operatives from the railway company, and are quite harmless."
"Jenny Jones, A85, Glen Ogle"
Regards.
BrianT
Triffids...? I thought they had been exterminated! :o
Hello Peter, I think our post's crossed, thank you for responding.
I am pleased you find the story unfolding interesting.
The station/halt buildings were only a test exercise to get a feel for what might be, and as I had them in stock from building my Grandsons rabbit layout, I just cobbled them together to see if they would overpower the site or not.
I don't just want a bare platform area, although I accept that that is what would probably be provided in the circumstances.
The signal box is overkill, but I quite like the suggestion of a small ticket office cum shelter cum lever room for the limited signals, with perhaps a refreshment facility somewhere, may be at the roadside?
The buildings might be:-
(1) A Porta-Cabin.
(2) A grounded guards van.
(3) Grounded carriage.
(4) A caravan
(5) A purpose built building.
Regards,
BrianT.
The staff Photographer was a very excitable individual, that's why he broke his leg dashing to photograph what turned out to be the very tall Bull rushes Ted. ;D ;D ;D
Kind regards,
BrianT.
At least he was lucky they weren't REAL triffids! :D
I like the wet road surface next to the trench in the road by the way.
Our readers may be interested to read of the progress of the new narrow gauge railway being built over the hill in Glen Ogle.
The Laird, when interviewed today at his home in Kenmore, was pleased to announce that the railway is well on schedule, and has crossed the old viaduct, and is making steady progress towards the summit of Glen Ogle.
It is hoped that the flat area, just before the short tunnel at the head of the Glen, will be able to be developed into a small Halt, allowing passengers who embarked at the new station at Balquider, (where the works area is stationed on the old Callendar and Oban station site of Balquider), will be able to disembark, and enjoy the views back down Glen Ogle, and partake of some light refreshments.
This will help with revenue raising to fund the ongoing work, he stated, and allow walkers and cyclists, to be able to buy a ticket and enjoy the ride back to Balquider.
When pressed by our reporter, Jenny Jones, he was uncertain how long it would be before the line would turn down Glen Dochart and reach Killin, but stated that that was the ultimate aim of the consortium he was heading, and hoped it would not be too long before the residents of Killin benefitted from this additional tourist attraction.
He was able to report that a new tree planting programme was under way in the valley of Glen Ogle, with the cooperation of the local tenant farmers, which had been funded from his estate of Breadalbane, and it was all ready enhancing the views down the Glen.
He was rather annoyed that the drainage improvements taking place on the A85, had caused so much disruption, but agreed, that the work was essential ,to relieve the problems of road closures, due to local landslips.
Jenny Jones, Saturday 31/08/2013.
As reported in a recent edition of the Kiilin Times, several trees have now been planted in the Glen, enhancing the view down the vallel towards Lochearnhead.
The drain pipes from the gulley grate on the A85 are now nearly all laid, some roadside greenery and bushes have appeared scattered around, and more greenery has appeared on the bare patches.
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You can just about see the drain pipes laid in the trench as the works train climbs the grade.
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The JCB drivers Austin A35 Traveller estate car is the only traffic on the road in this view.
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The works train is just going onto the viaduct as we look across the old landslip.
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The long view up the Glen.
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That's all for today folks.
Regards,
BrianT.
where was the appeal for more funds and the donation address to reach Killin in that press report. Interesting to see the trees, I wasnt sure about trees, not knowing the area, as many parts of Scotland are bereft of trees. If you had planned ahead that pipeline could have coincided with a baseboard join. Sorry Brian, only joking and it is really coming on
Peter Smith
Hello Peter, as well as Terry Wogan and the other tax avoiders, you will find lots of there Christmas trees plantations littering the countryside, and quite a surprising number of indigenous species around the Scottish countryside.
If you Google Glen Ogle, you will find several photo's of the Glen, which, as well as showing how inaccurate my model is, will also show just how much Greenery there is about.
There is a beautiful picture of the scene taken in Autumn, with lovely russet colours, which tempted me, but I didn't think it would look believable had I modelled it in that state, so I stuck to perpetual spring as usual.
I wish I had thought of using the board joint as a trench to try and hide the baseboard joint, what a good idea. ;D
Regards,
BrianT
This has moved on a lot since I last checked in! It has such a great sense of space and wilderness.
Those long shots with the light catching the water through the trees are superb, for me they really capture the atmosphere of a Scottish glen.
Paul
Sorry for the delay in replying, I have just had a three day break around Berwick on Tweed in some very nice weather.
So glad people are enjoying the scene.
Regards,
BrianT.
Nice progress.. The trees add some nice depth and detail into to the scene. I hope you can build the halt and people enjoying the view.
Thank you Scott.
I'm still debating what form the Halt will take, in the meantime, I am trying to devise a three road turntable for the Lochearnhead end of the layout to be able to turn the trains in one move without handling them.
Regards,
BrianT.
Brian,
In case you missed it, look for my Topic "Constructing a sector table.." on NGRM: http://ngrm-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8471-constructing-a-sector-table-calculation-of-track-radius/?p=155369. (I know you lurk there too! ;) )
Regards
Tim
Thank you Tim, but I am afraid my requirements are a little more complicated because my pivot point has to be in two different positions, and the end of the turntable has to be square.
All will be revealed when I make it.
I am not sure whether I have a drawing program that I can use to show you what's required, I'll go and have a look.
Regards,
BrianT.
Brian,
I think you will have to draw it out - I cannot see how a square ended turntable can turn without fouling the fixed part! However, I am sure you know what you mean, and do not doubt you will work it out.
Well here you are Elmgate, I have just finished drawing it.
I'm afraid a H2 pencil does not show up to well on white paper, but it's the best I can do without a computer drawing programme.
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The drawing shows a plan view of the baseboard end, there is a piece of 50 x 25mm timber screwed across the end profile board, this gives support for the turntable carrier structure, and also allows a piece of PCB to be fixed outside the profile board to carry the rail ends of the scenic track and the off scene track that will be fitted behind the back scene to be soldered to.
The carrier board is simply a substantial piece of flat board, which will protrude from the base board horizontally, and have a groove routed into it, which will allow a small ball bearing to slide along it, this ball bearing will be the pivot for the turn table, and allow any track mounted on the turn table to be aligned with the two carrying tracks on the base baseboard.
The turn table will have rounded ends to allow it to spin around in any position along the routed groove.
On the top of the turntable will be placed cassettes made from 100 x 50mm electrical trunking, this particular trunking will take three narrow gauge tracks with clearances. The turntable top will have aluminium angle fixed at the trunking width apart, which will hold the trunking in position central to the turntable, but allow the trunking, once it has accepted a train from the baseboard carrier tracks,, to be slid back slightly so the squared end of the trunking will clear the base board as it is turned.
There are obviously some details still to be worked out, electrical connections, locking the tracks in position with each other, supporting the cantilevered carrier structure, which will probably be a removable item to keep the baseboards inside the 4ft by 2ft footprint for carrying, but these problems have long since been worked out by other modellers, and don't need me to explain here.
Well, I hope that has explained how I hope to achieve my sector plate turntable.
Regards,
BrianT.
Well I've made a start on the turntable.
This is the multi-position pivot slot, the pivot being a ball bearing that accepts a 10mm shaft. I have drilled out the bearing holes with a Forstner bit and then joined the multi holes with a router.
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The turntable itself, has a 10mm shaft which is an interference push fit in the central hole, the ends are still square but will be rounded off later. The bottom of the groove has a 40th plasticard liner fitted so the bearing has a smooth surface to slide along. The 100 x 50mm electric trunking is laid along side the turntable at the moment. This can take three 009 tracks with clearance for stock.
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The turntable has had the ends rounded to allow it to turn without hitting the base board as it is turned. The length of 50 x 25mm batten on the outside of the baseboard end profile boards, seen in the background, is to allow a piece of PCB to be glued across to solder the ends of the track that goes up the scenic side of the layout, and the track which will return down the back of the baseboard. At the moment, the support for this is sticking out 100mm, which will allow me to run two tracks parallel should I wish to make a storage road off scene.
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This shows the turntable slid left ready to accept trains from the rear off scene line.
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And here it is positioned to deliver one of it's three sets to the scenic section of the layout.
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Here the trunking is laid in position on top of the turntable platter, it will be held in position with two sections of aluminium angle, but will be able to slide along the platter after it is turned so that the appropriate track can be butted upto the fixed layout track.
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This shows a length of PCB laid ready to be cut to length and glued down to the 50 x 25mm batten ready for the rail ends of the baseboard track. A similar piece will be cut to length and glued across each end of the trunking, to solder the three tracks mounted on the cassettes.
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That's about it for tonight, more work to do tomorrow.
Regards,
BrianT.
Stop press.
Our readers may be interested to read of the near disaster on the new narrow gauge railway being built over the hill in Glen Ogle.
The Laird, when interviewed by phone today at his home in Kenmore, was saddened to announce that the railway has had a considerable set back near the proposed halt, at the summit of Glen Ogle.
A large landslip near the tunnel mouth has completely blocked the tunnel mouth.
More when our reporter, Jenny Jones has had time away from her nursing administrations to our staff Photographer to go and look at the scene of devastation.
Speculation throughout the village of Killin as to what has happened is rife, the village of Kenmore, down the Loch, has seen the square outside Taymouth Castle, the home of Breadalbane, our Laird, filled with the local populace, there hopes of a resumption of the Loch Tay steamer service, to the Village of Killin at the other end of the Loch, seeming to be in jeopardy if the wee train does not reach Killin.
Regards,
BrianT.
:o
You're not getting a clue with a cryptic comment like that Hugh. ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
Meanwhile, back at the consortiums headquarters, there is a frenzy of activity, prompted by the news. The building programme for the new halt, which was well underway to providing some passenger accommodation, is on hold until such times as the situation can be assessed.
An initial report from the site engineer, indicates that a realignment of the track may well be forced on the company.
More later.
Regards,
BrianT.
OK, Brian - what did you drop on it?
(or was it the cat?)
:D
Nope, nothing dropped, no cat, you could say planned self infliction. ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
Wot?!
You didn't trip, fall and put your arm out to save yourself did you? In the process putting your foot through the scenery. kicking the layout onto the floor and landing in a heap with the rock fall peppering your face as you had not stuck it all down. And then blame the cat!
Roger
"completely blocked the tunnel mouth" - sounds like the railway will have to take a different route.
well its certainly killin me to know wotsappened!
Peter Smith
Well, at the moment, nothing is happening around Glen Ogle as I await the last assault to dry out.
Whatever has happened was in no way accidental, it was just a thought I had as I perused what I had done so far, and was not satisfied with the results, so.................... :-X
Keep your eye out at W.H.Smiths for a nationwide distribution of the "Killin Times", These iconic copies will increase in value over the
years ahead, and should be preserved in Formaldehyde for posterity. ::)
As the tension mounts, and the whole nation holds it's breath, the anguished cry can be heard, GET ON WITH IT TWIGGY!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Regards,
BrianT.
Well at Last I have been able to climb the hill from my home in Killin, and up to the site of the new Glen Ogle Tourist railway, as I look down from the Glen side towards the A85 road and beyond, I can see the hive of activity across the other side of the Glen on the old Callendar and Oban railway track, adjacent to the entrance to the old tunnel.
It was here, a few days ago that work was brought to a standstill , when on the morning of the 10th of September, the contractors laying the new rail way track bed, found on their arrival on site, that the tunnel entrance was all but blocked by a fall of rock within the old tunnel itself, some of which had spilled out into the site that had been cleared for a small wayside halt.
This had buried the new track that had all ready been laid into the tunnel. The tunnel had not been lined when excavated, and was cut through the raw rock, which was deemed stable enough over a hundred years ago by the Board of Trade inspector, Major Marindon, not to require anything other than the rock work to be dressed smooth, with no projecting pieces of rock.
Now, with the recent heavy rains, and small earth tremor during the early hours of the 10th , which had measured 3.6 on the Richter scale, and was hardly felt in any of the surrounding villages, had damaged the one hundred year old tunnel , such that it was deemed uneconomical to attempt to reopen it.
When interviewed on site, the Site Engineer and contractor
Well here you are at last, three pictures of a bit of progress on Glen Ogle.
An overall view of the site, somehow, I have managed to misplace the roof of the grounded carriage, it's somewhere in my garage, but where??
There's still work to do on the coach of course because it has to become a ticket office, snack bar, toilet block and waiting room.
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The view of the tunnel mouth is now blocked by the grounded van and the new water tower, so I don't have to model the outspill through the tunnel mouth from the rock fall.
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A typical workgroup, one actually working, one resting on his tool, two watching, and the site engineer on the platform fretting at the slow progress.
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The models have yet to be finished and painted before there final placement, I am not going to paint them in there delivered state, because painting is one of the model tasks I consider myself poor at, and as they are supposed to be being used as structures in perpetuity for the railway, I would have to paint them twice, considering my skill levels in this field therefore, final colours is the way to go.
All I have to decide now, is what the house colours are going to be, these will lean towards the old Caledonian, so can some one suggest some colours please.
Regards,
BrianT.
More reasonably close pictures of the scene now, that I have replaced the batteries which ran out on me.
No explanatory titles required I think? Anything unclear from the pictures, just ask.
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Regards,
BrianT.
Quote from: GraemeD on September 13, 2013, 17:19
"completely blocked the tunnel mouth" - sounds like the railway will have to take a different route.
Do I win a prize? ;D
Furthermore, track disappearing off the end of a baseboard like that suggests that there is or will be something attached to it. Could it be:
- a train cassette,
- a fiddle yard,
- more layout?
Hello Graham.
No prize I'm afraid :), I gave enough information for it to be a no brainer really. ::)
The reason for the Kamikaze track has again been described, but just for you, so's you don't have any expectations of prizes in the future, I'll run through it again.
The track at the top right, will carry over onto another 1200 x 600 board, but set at right angles to the main board. The track will make a loop around one end of this board, and return down the back of the present scenic board to a cassette system mounted on a turntable, cantilevered off the left base board end.
In this loop of track will be a point taking a branch track of at a tangent, to the village of Killin and it's terminal station.
So there you go Graham, you were right on both counts. :-*
Regards,
BrianT.
I expect in future this will be known as 'The Deviation' similar to that on a well-known preserved line!
Oh I can do devious Ted. ;D
That's a good idea for a reference to the alteration work, deviation it is, thank you.
Regards,
BrianT.
I love the photos with the working part, Brian, very atmospheric. The of the track and being on the side of the hill makes it all very appealing :)
A re-visit to the deviation, with the new footbridge crossing the river ogle.
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A little closer look.
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It looks as though the sun has come out over the deviation work.
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The long view up the layout.
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Well that's about it for now.
Regards,
BrianT.
It's been a little while since I posted anything, and having seen some of the magnificent layouts at Kegworth this last weekend, I don't knw whether I dare, but I have been busy.
You may remember the train turntable/ sector plate from earlier posts, well this has been varnished to stop it getting grubby with use and four felt pads to act as rubbing plates.
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Well it now has a swing out support bracket, and timber support for the alignment dowels.
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The whole assembly is secured to the layout with two of these over-centre toggle clips.
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The layout now has a back-scene. This is constructed from 20mm plastic conduit, conduit fittings and at each corner wooden supports holding the 20mm spacer clips. The whole lot can be disassembled for transporting.
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This supports a length of plastic sheeting for strength, which can be rolled up for transport, this sheeting is supported by hooks screwed through the plastic conduit, supporting eye holes punched and riveted through the plastic.
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I have also given first coat coverings to the models at the deviation site, and the Grey back-scene does improve the photographic possibilities.
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the long view with the new background.
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The other end of the lay has now sprouted a country garage, there is/was a garage at the village of Lockearnhead, there's still a lot to do at this site.
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The new back-scene, temporarily stood in front of the plastic, certainly brings the scene to life.
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The temporary lighting certainly adds a moodiness to this scene with the shadow it has produced.
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Regards,
BrianT
We have received news of a setback to the construction of the new narrow gauge railway being constructed along the old railway track bed running along the hillside of Glen Ogle.
Our local reporter has received news that the construction has been brought to a standstill, because the main contractor is having to go into Hospital for some major surgery, and has shut the site down because he can find no one to take over supervision of the rest of the new work taking place at the deviation, brought about by the collapse of the old tunnel at the head of the Glen.
The construction staff have been laid off, until such times that a new site supervisor can be found to take over the onerous job of constructing the remaining work, required to carry the track to it's ultimate destination, which I understand will be some sort of turntable and stabling facility.
The company directors, headed by the Laird of Breadalbane, said that this was an unfortunate and unforeseen occurrence, but they were confident that work would resume as soon as possible, and the villagers of Killin were not to get too downhearted, this was only a temporary delay. There ancestors had suffered a similar fate with the original line from the village, when the Caledonian railway had refused to build a branch line from a junction with the old Callendar and Oban railway, up on the Glenside, down to the village of Killin, but by there own finances, the villagers, along with a generous donation from the Laird, had financed the construction of there own railway branch, down to the village, which had remained in the villagers ownership right up to the grouping, where it became part of the London, Midland and Scottish railway.
Your local paper will continue to pursue this story as it reaches it's conclusion, at some time in what we hope will be the near future. (Jenny Jones reporting)
Really sorry to hear this news - just hope the contractor makes a full and speedy recovery!
Wish him all the very best and hope the works get underway again before too long.
David.
Thank you David, that's very kind.
Regards,
BrianT.
Secret major breakthrough in train control
Work has also been halted on the exciting new development that has secretly been undertaken behind the scenes, by the technical boffins associated with the under construction railway. This is some electronic wizardry that allows control of the loco's by one of the signalling staff, remotely by radio, and does not require a driver to be on board, thus saving on staffing costs.
The company employee who revealed this startling news, and does not want to be identified, stated that the company were confident that this major breakthrough, would not endanger passengers in any way, provided the signalman did not have a sneezing fit at a crucial moment our undercover reporter Mick Macphwatch can reveal.
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Does this mean that trains can be controlled from a hospital bed :o ?
David.
With a larger battery and a bigger Arial, probably. ::) ;D
Imagine the fun taking your own controller, concealed about your person, to a model railway exhibition, and locking on to some one's radio controlled layout loco on an adjacent layout, and taking control of a parked up loco in a siding????? ;D ;D ;D
I suppose some clever clogs is going to spoil my fun by saying this is not possible. :( :( :(
Regards,
BrianT.
One of my now EX friends has suggested, that Mrs ValerieT, has a word with my surgeon, to slip a receiver into the wound before he stitches me up, so that she can use the controller to get me to do the jobs around the house, that are piling up as I concentrate on Glen Ogle. :o
Luckily for me, he knows even less about the workings of said controller and receiver than I do, and that it would require connecting neurologically to my nervous system, even so, it's a sneaky thing to suggest don't you think ??? ::) ::) ::).
Never the less, I have hidden the receiver, just in case the Surgeons has had some neurological training in the past, or worse still, he's a member of the 009 group and went to Kegworth too. :-\
The thoughts of me doing a John Clease funny walk, as my wife got to grips with the buttons and knobs, brings me out in a cold sweat. ;D ;D ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
Brian
Wallace is not your middle name is it? You had better make sure you don't put on the 'wrong trousers' when you get home from hospital, just in case she has been up to something.
Roger
Beware the penguin!!
It won't be the receiver implant that will bother you. It's the size of the battery needed to move a full size human being! ::)
Honestly, Brian, I hope you'll be well soon after this uncomfortable episode.
Hello again all.
I'm definitely on the mend, and progressively getting back into the swing of things, I'm still not supposed to work in the garage on the layout, but I am allowed to fiddle with what I can reasonably do on the dining table with suitable protection, that's to the table of course, not me. ;D
I purchased a Chris Ward Kattie tram loco at the 40th bash to experiment with radio control. Having proved that this does work, I have stripped out all the electronic gubbins I fitted to the loco, I've ordered some bits and pieces from Markits, and while I await there arrival, I have been smoothing the striations from the 3D printing of the loco, to try and make a model worth showing in this exalted company on here.
My tools for this job are shown here:-
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The loco as supplied by Chris had an overall spray of grey primer which shows the striations of the printing process up very well, so the first job is to remove these by whatever means possible.
I have seen on the forum, references to rubbing with cocktail sticks etc. I can only assume that this is in the hope of friction melting the material into a smooth finish. I can see no merit in this at all, so I used abrasive papers and needle files to achieve the results I was looking for.
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I made some abrasive boards by cutting some narrow strips of hardboard, and gluing them down, side by side, onto some fine wet and dry paper, then when dry, cutting around the strips with a Stanley knife to produce the abrasive strips shown in the first photo. With these, I started on the easiest parts first which was the tank sides and the cab.
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The worst part of the loco for showing the striations, was the coal bunker back, and the chimney, these were very pronounced, I suppose because they both have a slope outwards from bottom to top, so the head of the printer will have to move out fractionally between each pass of the print head. This is only a guess, because I know nothing about the technicalities of 3D printing.
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As you will have seen, I have drilled the marked positions for hand rail knobs on the boiler and cab sides, and holes for making up coal rails on the bunker top, I hope I am upto this soldering exercise. ::) I also managed to knock off the cast safety valves on the boiler top, so I will have to remake these.
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That's about it for now.
Regards,
BrianT.
Good morning all, I don't know where to post this on this forum as there does not appear to be a suitable subject heading, so I will post it in my bit of the forum in the hope it is read, and offends no one. :(
Today, our intrepid reporter was visiting a close relative in South Yorkshire and heard of an event that might interest our readers here in the village. It involves several narrow gauge railways, similar to the one still under construction in Glen Ogle, so I thought our readers might be interested in hearing about these, to get a feel for what we might expect from our wee railway when it is finished, hopefully here in Killin.
My guide was my eight year old grandson, who was allowed to borrow his grandpa's rather expensive camera, and off we went to a village near by called Edlington, where apparently, several of these narrow gauge railways had been built over the years.
We arrived in the village of Edlington at 10am. thanks to my sat nav, but nowhere was there any indication of the where-about's of the railways, a school had been mentioned, and my clever grandson spotted several cars in the school's car park, which he thought strange as it was a Saturday, so we drove into the car park and parked up.
A walk along the front of the school found several locked doors, but eventually, we saw a pair of doors that were open and a couple of people sat just inside, and this looked promising, so we approached. They were local narrow gauge enthusiasts, and were collecting funds for the railways, so a very modest sum was placed in there collection plates and we were directed further into the building.
We found what appeared to be the terminal hall for several narrow gauge railways, and a wondrous smell of bacon butties. I asked my grandson to go around the many terminal stations, photographing what ever took his fancy, while I visited the buffet car of one of them, and purchased some refreshments for a very modest fee. Having consumed my sarnie and cup of tea, I joined my grandson, who was busy snapping away, and all ready upto 54 on the count.
Several of the stations had loco's in steam, and were making up trains to transport passengers to far away places, several of the stations had no loco's in steam, or diesel for that matter, and appeared bereft of staff, and several were craning in loco's and stock, by using a giant sort of hand in the sky crane of wondrous dexterity.
The waiting hall had very few passengers milling around, at half past ten, there would have been no more than a dozen in what was a very large hall.
Some of the station staff spoke to my grandson, mainly because of his photographic exploits with his grandpa's camera, which seemed to bemuse them with it's complexity for such a young pair of hands, a number seemed to ignore him, and only one, when prompted, offered to stop a train in a photographable position for him to take a photo.
Only one other person I spoke to, admitted to being a member of this or any other forum, and that was Hugh Norwood of Angst fame who had brought his semaphore signal.
We then retired to the buffet car again, where I consumed yet another bacon buttie and tea, and my grandson walloped down a sausage sarnie, a piece of coffee cake, and a soft drink.
While we were sat consuming our food, I overheard a comment from someone nearby who was obviously referring to my grandson that, " We need more children like him in the hobby". Well, I suspect that may be true, but there was not a lot of enthusiasm for him as he did his photographic perambulations, he found most of the layouts set too high, and had he not had an expensive camera around his neck and was using it with great competence, he would have been mostly ignored.
Now I was able to witness this so easily, because the visitors were very few and far between throughout the three hours of our visit, which considering the signage at the front, was hardly surprising.
A common complaint from all exhibitions was that the operators were to engrossed in enjoying playing trains, to acknowledge the audiences want to participate, now this is perhaps understandable at a large and busy exhibition, where the exhibitors are extolled to "Keep something running at all times". But here at Edlington, where it is basically a local bash, things needn't be so serious, and with so few viewers, more time could be taken with the few onlookers.
I had no difficulty in gaining the various exhibitors attention, and having a meaningful conversation, which is where I was able and surprised to find so few of them were on this forum, and used the magazine for any news, but I was disappointed that my Grandson, despite showings his obvious adult abilities, despite his junior demeanour, he is polite, intelligent, very well behaved, and eager to please, if we want any future modellers to enter this great hobby, he is a roll model for a future hope.
We then continued our perambulations for a last time around the exhibits, and still there were none occupied layouts, and people still setting up there stand.
So, that's our visit to this South Yorkshire narrow gauge scene, a very good venue, unfortunately for the visiting exhibitors and the local South Yorkshire members, it seems to have been poorly attended, at least during the time we spent here. The refreshments were very very good, extremely well priced, and yummy, everyone seemed very happy to be here, if a little insular, only the South Yorkshire members will know if the event has been a success at the end of the day, I hope they consider it was, and had enough contributions at the door, to cover there outlay.
We came away a little disappointed, but overall we had enjoyed it and wish them well, what did I learn for the people of Killin, well there are a lot of benefits to be had from a narrow gauge railway, the loco's and rolling stock are extremely clean and comfortable, with the support staff clearly keen to offer a good service in well maintained rolling stock, so the outlook for the railway approaching along Glen Ogle looks very promising, and if we van persuade the company to branch off down to Killin, I'm sure the residents of Killin will be happy to use the new service.
Jenny Jones with Travis Twigg,
South Yorkshire.
Here are a few of the photo's my eight year old grandson took on our visit.
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Not bad for an eight year old? Sorry no names available other than ones shown in the photo's.
Regards,
BrianT.
That young man is to be congratulated for having a very good eye for what makes a nice photo.
Thanks for your (and his) report!
If any of the above pictures are of any use to anyone for whatever reason please help yourself.
The credit wants to be:- Eight year old Travis Twigg.
Regards,
Grandpa, BrianT.
Well done, then, Travis! ;)
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I have been a little busy working on two Chris Ward loco's destined for radio control on Glen Ogle. ::)
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Still a fair bit more to do, but I'm getting there.
Build details to follow at a more civilised hour of the day.
Regards,
BrianT
Here is the Chris ward Hunslet type Kattie loco that I selected for my first foray into a radio controlled 009 loco for Glen Ogle
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As supplied, the loco is sprayed with grey primer and the overall finish is quite good, apart from the dome, chimney and the rear of the coal bunker, which had quite heavy striations due to the printing technique. I sanded these out and prepared it for painting, see my previous postings above.
The handrail positions are clearly marked by indents, and these were drilled through with a 0.6mm drill, I also drilled down into the top edge of the coal bunker with the 0.6mm drill to accept some made up coal rails, just as soon as I find where I've put my roundtuit gizmo thingy.
While I was sanding the model, I inadvertently knocked off the moulding for the safety valves, so I decided that I would make something to represent the safety valves, and therefore drilled two 1mm holes at the position of the original mouldings,
The smoke box door come as a push fit into the front of the smoke box, it has nicely moulded hinges and dart handles, but I decided I would fit a brass handle so I removed the handle moulding and drilled the position using the 1mm drill.
I purchased some Brass handrail knobs and wire, the smoke-box handle, and a whistle from Mark at Markits ready to fit into all the appropriate holes I had drilled. How Mark manages to turn these minute Brass fittings, and then drill holes through them I don't know, but they are wonders of the turners art.
Having prepared the body for painting, I sprayed it once again overall in grey primer, and allowed it to dry for 24 hours.
The painting scheme I had settled on was Caledonian blue for the main body parts, matt black for the smoke box, red for the buffer beams and tram motion covers, and green for the inside of the cab.
Now came the tricky task of masking the various parts, to achieve the overall effect I was aiming for.
First I coloured the inside of the cab green using some permanent marker pens I found at Hobbycraft. I then masked the cab overall, the smoke box, buffer beams and the tram motion covers, and sprayed what was left with the "Ford" blue I had decided was Caledonian enough for me.
Then I peeled off the smoke-box masking, and masked off all the Caledonian blue areas, before spraying the smoke-box matt black.
Then I peeled off all the masking to reveal the as yet unpainted red areas, and painted these. For this, I used a red touch up paint pencil designed for use on cars to repair scratches. These have both a fine brush and a very fine tube paint applicator to dispense the paint, depending on which you think is appropriate for the scratch damage. The brush is not very good, but the tube dispenser will deposit a very fine line of paint where required, similar to a bow pen, and I would think with practice, could be used for lining out a loco.
Having left each application of paint to set overnight, I set about adding the finishing touches. The handrail holes each had the tiny hand rail knobs inserted, the 0.6mm diam. hand rail wire threaded through, and when all was in place, a tiny spot of cyano glue deposited at all the interfaces, to hold the parts in position, then the excess handrail wire was cut off.
A hole was drilled in the cab roof, and the Markit's brass whistle was fitted and glued in place.
For the two safety valves, I cut two pieces of wire, stripped the insulation of at one end, coloured the insulation a Brass colour, and glued the bared wire ends into the hole, so that the insulation sat hard down onto the boiler top.
I drilled 1mm holes at front and rear to fit the vacuum hoses, which are white metal castings from Dart castings. I coloured the iron piping section Black, with a black permanent marker, and left the corrugated sections in the white metal finish which looked appropriate.
That's about as far as I have got at the present moment.
Still to do are the four spectacle plates to brass colour, glaze and fit, I have some brass numbers to colour and fit which I bought at the 009 bash, and I have some name and makers plates on order from Narrow Planet.
It then wants a coat of matt varnish to seal everything in place, and the cosmetics are done.
I can then install a driver and fireman, and put back the radio receiver that I trial fitted, and complete the wiring, ready for it's inaugural run to the head of the Glen and back, which I have no doubt will get a front page spread in the Killin Times.
Then It's onto the Ffestiniog type Fairlie to be completed, and that will be two thirds of the loco fleet completed.
Regards,
BrianT.
A little more work done on the Chris Ward Kattie loco today.
I decided to have a brass dome rather than the painted version in the above photo's, and as the only brass paint I had available was in a rattle and spray can, this is what I decided to use.
The paint was bought to make some Christmas decorations last year with my Grandson Travis, for a School project, and was supposed to be gold, a test spray showed it simulated brass quite well, so I decided to give it a try.
Being a spray, it was important that all the none sprayed areas were well masked, and how to mask off around the dome was the problem.
I have a set of leather punch pliers with the assorted punches around the fixed anvil. I did an experiment with the larges punch setting, punching a hole through a piece of masking tape, which provided a hole that was a tight fit over the dome.
But I found the edges of the punched hole were a little ragged with the tape I was using, so I stuck two pieces of masking tape together, one on top of the other, and punched through both at the same time, this proved to be better, so I cut the double punched tape to fit just over the dome and upto the safety valves at the rear end of the tanks, and upto the chimney at the front, and down each side of the tanks a little way.
With this important piece accurately fitted, I was then able to add masking tape in random pieces over all the rest of the loco body, making sure it was over the edges of the pre fitted master mask.
A very light spray of the gold was then applied and the results you see below.
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This particular Chris Ward loco body is supplied with circular spectacles, and they are cleverly formed by push in plastic eyelets, which give a very good simulation of brass portholes, as on a ship.
These are easily pushed out while the loco is painted if a brass finish is required, so while the dome was drying, I stuck the four very small eyelets down onto a short length of masking tape, to stop the spray blowing them away, and gave them a waft of gold spray, letting it dry, then turning them over to do the other sides.
I had considered getting some of this liquid glass, or trying a blob of PVA in the eyelets to simulate the glass in the spectacles, then I thought of the leather punch with it's multi diameter punches, and so I selected a size that looked about the right diameter, and punched out a circle from a piece of thickish clear plastic that came from a new pair of side cutters I have bought. The plastic was formed around the side cutters to form a sort of moulded case, totally unnecessary, but in this case, quite handy, as it provided a sizeable quantity of this clear flat plastic.
The first circle cut proved to be too great a diameter, so I selected the next size down on the punch and tried again, this provided a perfect punched circle, that was a near interference fit in the plastic gold painted eyelets, three more were punched out and fitted in the eyelets, a tiny drop of Cyano glue was placed around the clear glazing and around the outer diameter of the eyelets fitted in the front and rear cab sheets, resulted in perfectly glazed brass looking spectacles.
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Just waiting for the Narrow Planet names a makers plates to arrive now. I have selected family names of my Son and Daughter and my Grandson, so number 1 loco will be "Travis", Number 2 loco will be his dad "Nigel", and number 3 loco will be "Alison", my eldest child.
The makers plates I have made up from a combination of my road name, my home town and the year 2013.
I have fitted the Brass number "1" plates to the cab sides, but I am still awaiting the name and makers plates.
Regards,
BrianT. (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/gtmspyder/media/DSCF6739800x600_zpsbe18ff5a.jpg.html)
The Brass whistle has been fixed to the cab roof, and the smoke-box now sports a proper pair of Brass handles. The new Brass safety valves now crown the boiler top, and the electronics have new been replaced in the loco and trailing carriage, with a new plug and socket below the footplate floor to be able to separate engine and carriage.
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A few random pictures taken with the loco and carriage staged in my garden.
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I notice from this picture that the front buffer beam has a smudge on it, and that both arms of the smoke-box have come together, despite the spot of glue supposedly holding them at 25 to 6.
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And a final one in close up.
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Well, that's about it, a few cosmetic touches to do, a crew to find and fit, and the plates when they arrive, then a coat of matt varnish.
Regards,
BrianT.
That's looking rather good - even if it is one of my competitors locos!
Tom
Thank you Tom, It's not as good as I had hoped, I will have to see if I can sort the poor paint finish out.
I am afraid I have difficulty associating the various nom de plumes out on the forums, with who people are, or with what they are known for.
I wish we could do away with the various avatars and have an easily indexed system as to who is who, and who makes what, it's all very confusing to me, I'm a very simple soul ;D
But thank you for the kind words.
Regards,
BrianT.
Hello Brian.
Lovely looking models, and a most ingenious way of fittings spectacle plates. One thing, are you going to line the tank sides?
Reguards
James Bradley
Hello James and thank you for the interest and encouragement.
I would like to line it, and I know most of the ways to do it, but I am not certain I have the skill level required to achieve it.
It is something I have never done before, despite reading over the years I have been modelling, the many ways of doing the lining, from fag papers to bow pens, all of which require that crucial element, we of a certain vintage tend to be short of, which is a steady hand.
Regards,
BrianT.
Personally I just use two pieces of masking tape, and a paintbrush. I looked at bow pens, but I found these were a little out of the price range.
JamesB.
On the light blue livery, a thin black marker pen can be used with a ruler. That's the simplest form of lining.
Not a bad effort at all, Brian - does it run as well as it looks?
It's a crap video, but this train has been running none stop for eight hours as a test of battery capacity.
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BrianT.
It's quite a good result - I remember the teething troubles you had with the circuit at the beginning of your R/C experiments. The finish on the 3d printed shell is very smooth as well. I have a body shell on order from Tom - I hope I can achieve the same finish you have.
The only thing that still bothers me is the funny chassis still necessary for an R/C controlled loco, but obviously these are early days. The advantage is considerable however. Probably it will be possible to use rod-coupled chassis for an R/C loco some time in the future.
Trail-blazing work there Brian! Hobby and I were discussing RC last time he was in Aberdeen. It certainly has potential. If it was not another project for me to start and not finish I'd give it a go as it would take me full circle to my radio control (glider) days.
For suitable donor chassis I think the key elements are:
1. low current draw for maximum run time.
2. low voltage to reduce the number of cells in a battery and so reduce the size.
3. ease of conversion, though applies just as much to converting to DCC so is no great problem.
In that respect the Kato tram chassis is nice not particularly remarkable. The gearing is pretty crude, just a single stage worm reduction. The most sensitive loco I have is the new-ish Farish 08 which starts on just about half a volt and trundles along on a nice low voltage. I've forgotten what current it draws but it is low. Other good candidates would include Nigel Lawton or equivalent micromotor powered chassis with a good high gear ratio. Crudely put, for electric motors voltage = speed and current = torque. For maximum efficiency the motor should run at rather less than half the stall current and rather more than half the no load speed, i.e. "high revving" and large gear reduction. (For maximum power transfer it is half the stall current and half the no load speed.) Every motor will have graphs like this:
http://www.namiki.net/product/dcmotor/curve.html (http://www.namiki.net/product/dcmotor/curve.html)
Finding the characteristics for a motor is one thing, but estimating the gearbox efficiency and load is another.
It would seem that many chassis are undergeared for maximum efficiency and possibly undergeared for maximum power transfer. I assume this is (or was) for commercial reasons in that it cost more to put gears in and less for an oversized motor running inefficiently. Old chassis with chunky motors and crude gearing possibly run nearer stall conditions than maximum power transfer most of the time. Now with cheap low torque micromotors it makes sense to improve the gearbox.
The main thing - avoid old chassis!
Hi Brian,
Good to see you are making such excellent progress. The loco is looking very good and the performance is good as well. The Kato chassis are naturals for radio control, they combine low voltage and low current requirements and the low profile makes for useful spare space inside the loco too.
The 08 chassis looks promising too as Graham says. Older chassis can be more difficult though not impossible, but seem to work better when well and frequently maintained, which can be a chore.
Keep up the good work.
Frank
More pictures of the Kattie loco.
I have now fitted the Narrow Planet engine name plate and makers plates I had made, and I have lined it out using yellow electricians tape cut into strips.
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The results as you can see are very poor, despite my care in not stretching the tape before cutting, the tape has shrunk away from the corners making a right pigs ear of the lining.
The other side is better, but does not stand close scrutiny. Some of the paintwork is poor, especially around the red skirts, and the safety valves are not in line, very annoying.
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Over all, I had hoped to do much better, and I am disappointed with myself, I know what is required to produce the model of a standard I would be proud of, but my patience and skill level no longer matches my aspirations, and I don't like having to resort to the two foot rule, and pretend that all is well when I know full well that it is not.
Before trying to assuage my feelings with generous replies, which we are all guilty of to some degree, think on this. If I was to put this loco up for sale, at a price that covered my materials build cost, how many of you would be prepared to buy it?
Regards,
BrianT.
I submit that all amateur modelling is a learning curve and that we learn by the mistakes made by others as well as those we make ourselves.
You have made some decisions in your modelling that I would not have done - some of them producing results that are much better than my own efforts could have achieved.
You have learned that your painting skills need more work, and that attempting to line out a 4mm model with electrical tape is a bad idea.
So think of what you have gained (experience) compared to what you have lost (time).
Providing that you have not varnished over the lining tape it will be easy to remove and no harm done.
Otherwise it will need a rub down and start again.
You will find that taking time over painting & lining is well worth the effort. The 'quick way' usually proves to be time wasted.
And we all have our ups and downs, so dont despair :-)
Brian
Using tape to line out a loco is something I have never thought about. My first attempts at lining was to use my old draughtsman's ink bow compass with enamels. A failure but it was so long ago acrylics were then becoming popular and my problems were solved. Then the quality of some acrylic paints was lost so what was I to do. I turned to FOX TRANSFERS and have used them now for many years. Their range is large covering BR. the big four and many of the old companies. They also do corners, curves and straights long enough for coach sides all in various colour combinations. On many of my models I use BR Express Loco lining in either 4mm scale or 2mm scale on some small locos. I even cut between the orange lines in the black for single orange line edging with the black similar to the old L&B original simplified loco painting.
Using waterslide transfers make the art loco lining so much easier.
Roger
Hello again,
I have had another setback, while waiting for some lining decals to arrive, I decided to do some work on the Chris Ward double Fairlie 3D print loco.
This was already painted the same livery as the Kattie tram loco, but still had the various bits of fancy brass to be fitted, handrails, smoke box door darts, number and nameplates etc, and the new lining decals when they arrive.
So I decided to strip the linings I had fitted to the Kattie loco, and give both loco's a dose of spray matt varnish. I had purchased a new spray tin of Humbrol matt varnish, heated the tin, and shook well, the models were at room temperature as the varnish was sprayed on.
This was the result.
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I have only shown the Kattie tram loco as I have all ready stripped the Fairlie back to it's base as this was the easiest to do as it had no brasswork bits attached.
The Kattie loco is at present dunked in a solution of spirit as I type, as this has had to have the Kato chassis removed and the electrics disconnected and photographed to show on here.
I know this phenomena has occurred to others on here, but having read of others misfortune, I thought I had covered all the bases, clearly not.
Your collective commiserations and recommendations are awaited.
I am truly fed up, and it doesn't take much. :( >:( >:(
Regards,
BrianT.
Brian
Have you used a solvent based varnish? I am not one for these 3D models so has there been a reaction with the paint or with the plastic used in the manufacture of the model. Maybe acrylics are better.
If you are going to apply waterslide transfers a gloss finish is advised with matt varnish after.
Roger
I noticed today that the shoebox I used as a spray booth had a white'ish powder where the overspray had landed, vey like very fine flour, and it could be swept into little piles with my fingers.
I have finished cleaning up the 3D loco prints, so I cleaned the powder from my shoebox spray booth, and set too grey priming the two loco's again, and I am currently awaiting there drying.
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I have also sprayed a piece of spare black Plasticard with the grey primer, and as I spray the other colours, I will spray a test strip onto the Plasticard.
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When I get to the varnish stage, I will test spray onto the Plasticard test piece and see what happens.
There's nothing like a photo to show up cruel imperfections is there?
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I thought I had made a good job of preparing the two loco's, clearly, more work needs doing if I am to continue with this magnification of photo's.
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Regards,
BrianT.
Sorry to hear of your varnishing misadventures, Brian, but I am sure you will manage to retrieve the situation and teach us all something useful in the process. Also, your shoe-box spray booth is a useful idea which I will bear in mind, so it wasn't an entirely wasted exercise!
Hoping 2014 starts on a brighter note for you (how's the hip progressing?)
David.
Good new years morning to you David ;D
Thank you for your felicitations regarding my Kattie and Fairlie construction, oh and the hip is going on quite well, still a bit of a struggle with my pants, and the right sock application is a lost art at the moment, but I can get about unaided, and I have done a walk from Baslow to Chatsworth house, a round trip of about four miles so things are on the up. :laugh:
Kind regards,
BrianT.
The loco is looking rather better than last time I saw it, Brian. Only a few marks to be corrected. The spray booth is a good idea although I prefer doing it outside to get rid of the fumes.
I use spray only for the priming stage. Finishing and varnishing is done with a brush - I like the better control it offers, although I always have to be on the look-out for brush marks.
Good to hear the hip is progressing!
More work done on the Kattie and double Fairlie Chris Ward 3D print loco's.
Having stripped off all the previous paint, done a little more smoothing, and added the detail handrails and smoke-box dart handles, I started to re-spray the two loco's with several coats of Grey primer, before starting the masking up ready for the first coat of Blue.
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I masked off the smoke-box, which will be black, and the skirts and buffing beams, which will be red, and the cab interior, colour as yet undecided, but possibly green, on the Kattie loco.
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With the same treatment for the Fairlie except it does not have skirts.
Three coats of Blue were applied over a period of time, and left to harden, before the initial masking was removed for inspection.
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Then the Fairlie was denuded of masking tape.
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Then the new sprayed sections were masked ready for the next colour to be applied, the smoke-box black.
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That's about it for tonight.
Regards,
BrianT
I recorded this as a Christmas greeting to you all, but could not post it at the appropriate time, perhaps now?
If you click on the picture, and give it time to load, you should see the result of what was supposed to be a Christmas greeting, I did say Merry Christmas at the end, but I have spent a lot of time trying to post it to several friends before the due date, and in doing so, I have chopped off the second verse and greeting, so I will add, " Have a Happy New Year Everyone."
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Regards,
BrianT.
The Kattie was the first to have it's blue masked off.
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It is a fiddly game doing the masking, and is best undertaken by cutting strips of different width and length of masking tape, and with small pieces of cut tape, mask off the detail first, then apply the larger pieces of tape to just overlap the edges of the detailing masking tape and roughly cover all the exposed areas that do not want painting.
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Having sprayed the black, I removed all the remaining masking, before masking again to just leave the to be red area, and back to the spray box for a coat of red around the buffing beams and skirts.
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A final gentle rub of the originally applied Brass number and nameplates with the fibreglass pencil.
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The roof is only placed in position at the moment as I have to paint the cab interior, which I will probably do with hand painted acrylics, and fit a driver.
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Still a bit to do yet.
Regards,
BrianT.
Hi, Brian -
Thanks for your Christmas and New Year greetings (- do you always play in bare feet? :D)
David.
Hello David. ;D
No, I don't normally play In bare feet, but on the morning I decided to record a Christmas greeting to you all, my wife had gone out with a friend, and I had forgotten to ask her to put my right sock on, as I still cannot reach down to pull it on with my recovering hip joint, so I suffered a cold foot ::) in the pursuit of art, well I've been pursuing it since the age of nine, and it still evades me. ::)
It's my all time favourite Carol, I hope you enjoyed it.
Regards,
BrianT.
Mine too - my wife and I are in a choir, and learned this for our Christmas performances - best wishes for 2014.
Tim
Tonight, I felt a tadaaah moment coming on, until I viewed the following pictures, I really should stick to the two foot rule, but in the words of the quizmaster I am currently viewing, "I've started, so I will finnish".
Both loco's have been stripped down to the bare plastic, primed and painted, fitted with brass handrails, whistles, safety valves, name, number and makers plates, and white-metal vacuum hoses, with a driver and fireman, as appropriate.
They have been re-varnished, and had new glazed spectacles fitted.
They have yet to have there Kato chassis fitted and wired for the radio controls, but to all intents and purposes, they are finished.
I can't say I'm proud of the finished results, but the following pictures show them, warts and all.
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Well there we have it, two Chris Ward loco's just about ready for the layout.
Regards,
BrianT.
My apologies for not making the connection between your bare foot and your hip!
As for 'O Holy Night', I once heard it described as 'that old Christmas warhorse' which has tended to put me off it, though probably unfairly - it is a good tune and very singable. Also surprised to discover it was written by Adolphe Adam who I did know composed the music for the ballet 'Giselle' which for a rather obscure reason (an association with industrial archaeology, believe it or not) has always been significant for me...
As for the locos - to get back on topic - I think they're rather fine, and you should feel more proud of your handiwork!
David.
A little more progress for the Glen Ogle layout.
The Chris Ward Kattie loco, (Travis), and the double Fairlie loco, (Nigel) on a test track together, both under my radio control, and moving at the same time.
The video is crap due to the lens hunting, I presume due to insufficient light, but it does demonstrate the potential of the Radio control of two or in my case up to three loco's at the same time on the same track.
I have not yet added the third loco to the fleet, but after this test, I have no reason to believe that it will not operate in tandem with these first two under test.
Looking good I think.
Now that I have two operable loco's, I look forward to getting back to the layout construction. ;D
Regards,
BrianT
Click on the picture to start the video.
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I'm convinced! - if not yet converted. I'm not sure my brain could safely control more than one loco at a time... (I have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time :D)
Will there be good enough radio reception all the way along the Glen?
David.
The Glen is only eight foot long, even with the proposed extension to the village of Killin, it will be no more than twelve foot long, so I don't anticipate any difficulties with the range of the transmitter.
The only problem is, you really do have to concentrate, there's no section breaks or wrongly set points to bring the loco's to a standstill, you may have noticed an N gauge re-railer adjacent one end of the track in the video I posted, the loco's will happily climb this and drop off the end if I look away at an inappropriate moment. ::) ::) ::)
regards,
BrianT.
Looks to be going very well Brian. You must be pleased with the results.
Just as Brian says David, it is like driving a real loco, you have to keep your eyes on the road ahead! There are no isolating sections to stop the loco in front of points set against it, so the loco will happily try to run across the points and derail.
However, if you had a continuous run, you could set one loco running round whilst shunting with another, for example.
The main benefit of the system as Brian has it is that you can move one loco then another without having to switch anything on the controller, you just use a different knob for each loco. Simple!
I don't know what the range of this system is, it will clearly depend to some extent on the conditions, but in at least one demo it has worked over 30 feet I think. Since 30 feet is effectively out of sight, that is probably as far as you would want! The aircraft modellers use it over longer distances but the conditions are a bit different, being out in the open. If it loses signal, the loco will just stop.
Frank
Ahhh. Sweet memories from my youth.
We were testing some new fangled gear designed to locate and interrupt radio signals used by some very naughty people in Northern Ireland.
The test proved very satisfactory as complaints from the local model aero club will testify.
Their expensive models duly plummeted to earth.
As several of the aero club members were known naughty people who were using the club to gain knowledge for their bomb making enterprises, we were not too displeased.
So beware of using radio control in 'sensitive' areas :-)
Do the SNP operate in the Glen? ;)
David.
I've never read anything about them being a prescribed organisation in the "Killin News", so I assume I will not have to model a sabotage scene on the railway :police: And luckily, none of the directors are English, so if the referendum goes against the SNP, hopefully, they will not vent there ire in Glen Ogle. ::) ;D ;D ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
A small update to Glen Ogle, indirectly I know, but I thought I would keep any progress that has any link To the Glen Ogle layout in the one thread rather than spread them around under different headings, does anyone disagree?
I have bought some of the sea grass to make some more trees, and I know this will require a spray finish at some stage in the process, so I decided to make a new spray booth to replace the shoe box I have used in the past to catch the overspray that is inevitable during the process.
We had a very nice box of chocolate biscuits given us for Christmas, these have now been consumed, mainly by me of course, so I decided that the square tin would make a spray booth with little work being involved.
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I fitted the base of the tin, at 90deg. to the lid of the tin, and fastened the two together with M4 nuts bolts and washers.
I drilled several holes in the top edge of the assembly in what is to be the spray booth used position, these will be used to hang wires down into the spray booth, this will allow items to be suspended if required, and can be spun round to offer another face to the spray gun.
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The wire hangers are made from short lengths of thin wire, spun round a pair of round nosed pliers to form a swivel stop.
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Under the base of the assembly, I have glued, using impact adhesive, a piece of old cutting mat, so that the tin cannot scratch any surface it is resting on with the bolt heads, used to hold lid and base of the biscuit tin together, the bolt heads being countersunk into the thickness of the cutting mat.
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And a final view of the 3D loco and attendant Lilliput battery carrying coach, to give a feel of the scale and usefulness of the assembly.
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Well, it's not brought forward by much the Glen Ogle finish, but every little helps.
Regards,
BrianT.
Looks useful, Brian - I especially like the 'suspenders' which allow easy rotation of the item under treatment.
Just need to find a box of chocolate biccies now...
David.
Quote from: clayliner on January 27, 2014, 13:19
Just need to find a box of chocolate biccies now...
Sounds like a sales opportunity for the Society's sales people :)
I can assure our members that the quality or type of biscuits in the tin, will in no way affect the quality of the finished tin spray booth, ;D although they may well affect the enjoyment of the emptying process ;).
Today, I used the new spray booth for a project I am helping my eight year old Grandson with at his junior school.
I was asked if I would attend a class with him called family learning, in this, school children and parents/carers are encouraged to attend a class in the afternoon from 1.30 to 3.15pm where various activities take place.
This particular class was to make an astronaut which was to complement there academic subject of space travel.
The class was taken by the arts and crafts teacher, who told the six parent/carers and there children, that we were going to make a fifteen inch tall, (approx) Astronaut out of bubble wrap, masking tape, plastic bags and silver paper, whoopee, deep joy. :D
Any way, we commenced to make the body out of bubble wrap and masking tape, lots of masking tape, and at the end of the session, we did have a reasonable representation of a body, minus head, and painted white.
The next week we were to form the feet and hands from silver paper we were told, and home we came.
The craft teacher had a made up model to show us what the finished model would look like, if we followed her instructions, but during my weeks sabbatical before the next session, I got to thinking, as you do, and decided that our model would have proper boots, not scrunched up silver paper wrapped around his stumpy legs, so I cut out some boots from scrap timber, painted them white, made some oxygen bottles from a couple of pieces of dowel, to strap to his back, and presented these to the second class session last week.
This week, I have made some wooden gloved hands, and it is these that I have christened the new tin spray booth with.
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Already for fitting once I have fitted some pins in his wrists which will be pushed up into his arms to connect arm to wooden wrist/hand.
Regards,
BrianT.
After what seems a long lapse, I am back to modelling on Glen Ogle.
You may remember I built a removable turntable come sector plate, which was to be mounted at the bottom of the Glen, which would line up with the scenic track at the front of the layout, but could also be slid to line up with the proposed track that was to run down the rear of the scenic section, and be capable of being turned through 180 degrees, so that stock did not have to be touched at all.
This would accept cassettes made from electrical trunking of 100 x 50mm section, which would accept three lengths of 009 Peco track, this trunking can be lifted off the turntable base, for storing stock, and helps to facilitate the turning of the turntable, by sliding back from the connecting fixed track.
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The return track down the back of the layout has now been laid, it starts at the top as a single track from a return loop off stage, and splits into a double track towards the bottom, this gives additional storage space should it ever be required as it then leads onto the triple tracked turntable cassette.
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Some of the stock at the bottom of the double tracked storage roads, ready to run onto the storage cassette.
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This next photo shows the cassette loaded with an assortment of stock at the bottom of the return track. The cassette, is positioned onto the turntable by two wooden "ELL" sections, which allow the cassette to be placed on, and slid along the turntable back and forth, so that when the turntable is spun, the cassette can be drawn away from the delivering rails to allow the width of the cassette to clear the structure.
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Here, the loaded cassette is being turned and moved towards the scenic line.
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Here, the turntable/cassette has been positioned ready for stock to run off onto the scenic section of track, ready for it's journey up the Glen.
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So I am back into the modelling groove, I have already started to make the small board that will attach to the other end of the layout, which will carry a return loop of track to connect the track from the deviation scene, round to the off scene return rail which runs down behind the scenic climb up the Glen.
This 2ft square board will incorporate a "Y" point in it's circumference, that might, at some time in the future, branch a track off down to the village of Killin.
That's it for now folks,
BrianT.
A little more modelling done today, the back scene has gained a cut-out range of mountains which have been blended into the foreground scene.
I bought another 8ft mountains back-scene, cut along the mountain tops paper picture, removing the sky part, I then glued them to 6inch strips of ply, and used the jigsaw to follow the mountain top contours.
I then screwed the ply behind the scenic layout, and hung the original back-scene behind that.
This seems to have improved the look of the scene.
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I blended in the back of the layout board into the plywood mountain range with coloured filler, here, the filler is still wet and darker than I hope it will be eventually.
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That's it for tonight folks.
BrianT.
Here we go again, I've been busy doing other things, amongst them, a visit to look at the snow in the Cairngorms, so the modelling has been on hold.
I have been wall making with DAS modelling clay, and the walling now runs from the garage at the lochearnhead end three quarters up the road to Glenogle head.
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I made a mould from plasticard so that I could get all the wall sections the same height and thickness, filled it with DAS, and then scribed into the soft DAS with a dental pick, peeled the DAS from the mould, turned it over and scribed the reverse side, before setting each section to air dry.
When hardened dry, I went along all the scribed lines once again with the dental pick to remove the fash created by the first pass. Ran the base and ends of the wall sections along a flat file to square them up, then using water colours, I painted the sections as appropriate, before planting them in a bed of polyfiller along the roadside up the Glen.
I did a couple of damaged sections to fit in.
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And re-grassed the roadside upto the wall.
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I think it looks quite effective.
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I have also spread a little light coloured flock along the top of the scenery bank where it meets the back scene, to blend one into the other, I hope.
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A long view back down the Glen shows this better.
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the Land Rover parked on the drain culvert over-bridge seems to have collected an early leaf fall.
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The old rustic footbridge over the river tumbling down the glen, provides the only access to the new station halt at the head of the Glen, there are rumours that this halt might be in for some redevelopment in the future, so the bridge might have to go.
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the Forestry Commission seems to have been busy at the junction to Killin.
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Well, that's about it for now.
Regards,
BrianT.
There are fresh stirrings in Glen Ogle, the "Times" has to report.
Since the Laird went round the village with his collecting tin last week, the sum of money pledged by the good citizens of Killin, Kenmore and the surrounding countryside, has allowed the consortium building the new railway up Glen Ogle to expand there aims, to make a junction at the head of the Glen, and survey the area to bring a new line down glen Dochart to serve the tourist traffic visiting the village of Killin.
A new company is to be formed from the good Burghers of Killin and Kenmore, to commission a new steam driven pleasure boat to travel the length of Loch Tay between Killin and Kenmore as soon as the line reaches Killin.
A new interchange station is to be built on the site of the small halt at the head of Glen Ogle, where the proposed new line will veer away from the existing line being built towards Crianlaric, and head down Glen Dochart.
This has also been aided by the consortium winning a contract from the Forestry commission, to carry locally cut timber from the surrounding areas, by rail, to the timber sawmills at Crianlaric, thus easing the heavy congestion on the A84 and surrounding roads.
The First Minister for Scotland, made this announcement in Edinburgh yesterday, saying "This would be a good start to Scotland's Independence
bid later this year, should the pending referendum have a favourable outcome, the new Scottish Government would Nationalise the Glen Ogle light railway and continue to fund it's onward journey with all due haste".
The opposition parties have accused the First minister of offering a bribe to influence voters in our area.
We will continue to monitor the work and keep our readers up to date with all the news about this exciting development.
The Editor.
Today I went to the head of Glen Ogle to see the developments being undertaken there.
There is much activity at the site, the temporary structures, placed there by the original contractors, when the deviation had to be cut through the solid rock due to a collapse in the old tunnel have been cleared away, apart from the stone water tower.
More blasting has cleared a slightly larger area of land and a passing loop is being created to accommodate two trains.
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One of the two new points was being installed as we watched, with wiring for the point operating motors which will fit into the excavated hole beneath the toe of the point, being run to a new signalling facility.
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The second point was laid a little while later.With the point operating motor again being fitted in a hole excavated beneath the toe end of the point.
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The two interlinking sections of track were then laid, and the contractors rolling stock were driven across to test the new installation.
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Jenny Jones, staff reporter, Killin Times.
Hello again, The more observant of the forums readers, may have noticed the more even lighting in my last posted pictures.
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This is due to my new lighting rig that spans the length of the layout.
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The work I did on the new interchange station yesterday, has progressed a little more, the platforms have been laid, and additional scenic plaster work has been added. The new plaster is still wet hence the very dark colour. I mix the poly filler type plaster in the usual way, but I add poster paint to the mix to achieve the base colour I require. The platforms are 6mm Balsa wood cut and shaped to size, glued in place, and a thin smear of the plaster mix laid across the top to simulate a tarmac finnish.
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A view back down the Glen across the interchange station, again shows off the very even lighting from the string of surface mount LED's, tape mounted, and fixed in my case to a length of 25mm black plastic conduit, slung across the middle of the 2ft wide base board. The back scene is supported in the same way.
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Onwards and upwards we go.
BrianT.
It's starting to come together very nicely Brian.
Really got a very nice spacious feel about it that's missing from many layouts .
Tom
Thank you Tom, glad you like it. :)
Got to electrically test the points today, then I can get on with ballasting the new track work and scenifying the new area.
Because the loco's are radio controlled, I also want the layout point diagram board to be fitted to a similar small box on a wander lead, as I want to be able to switch the points using double pole, double throw switches. Somewhere I have seen a circuit diagram showing dpdt switches with an associated capacitive circuit that allows this type of switch to be used without burning out the point motors, but I can't now find it, is anyone out there able to help please. I have a capacitor discharge unit that I made up many years ago which I can resurrect, it's the associated circuitry that allows the dpdt switches for route indication to be used that I am after.
Another job pending is to make a fly swatter static discharge grass applicator, I have had the parts for some time, but have not needed it as the layout was not at a stage where I needed it.
Bye for now,
BrianT.
I'll pm you when I've found my notes, Brian.
Thank you Hugh, much appreciated.
Regards,
BrianT.
If you are wanting to use "normal" switches (i.e. those that are not centre-off) then have a look at the following sites
http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/electrics-switches.htm (http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/electrics-switches.htm)
( go down to "SPDT Switching (suggested by LisaP4) )
or
http://www.brian-lambert.co.uk/Electrical.html (http://www.brian-lambert.co.uk/Electrical.html)
(go a long way down to
"One Wire plus return Point Operation with individual capacitor" )
Both circuits are identical. I have tried this out and it works for both SEEP and PECO motors. If I had found this before I started work on Angst I would have used it.
You do need cable of at least 16/0.2 (which is rated at 3Amps)
Be warned about connecting electrolytics the wrong way round - they explode.
You'll note that only one "pole" of a switch is required. If you use a double pole switch, you can use the spare pole for powering a route identifying light - or - not needed in your case of course - as the switch to provide back-up to the blades on the point for power to the frog.
How are you finding that rather nice cassette system? Does it still rotate nicely, without derailing all the trains?
I like the idea of trunking, but I was looking at more of a removable system on my layout..
Thank you for your trouble Hugh, It was the circuit with the capacitor and two diodes per point I was after.
Regards,
BrianT.
Hello Scott.
The trunking cassette system for the rolling stock I am using is fine, the carriages are of course to HO scale, and will just slide down the trunking sides, so if you are considering this method, check your rolling stock width.
I doubt you could use the trunking as stock carriers without some foam packing, but I have not tried it.
Rotation of the turntable, which revolves on ball bearing is very smooth, so there are no jerks as it turns to derail the mounted rolling stock, and sliding the trunking back and forth to clear the square ends, back from the circle circumference, does little more than roll any loose rolling stock along the rails a little way if it is able.
I have yet to fit some ends to the trunking to stop any errant rolling stock from taking a dive to the floor, but as I am still building rather than operating the layout, which incidentally, I much prefer, it is of small matter at the moment.
Regards,
BrianT.
If you want the point control panel to be on a lead and movable and don't mind the extra electrical circuitry you might want to consider replacing the switches on your capacitive discharge units with relays and then energizing the relay using switches. This would mean the portable panel, switches and cable need only carry a small current to power the relays and the CDUs supplying the hefty belt of current could be near the points.
There is a MERG circuit that works on this principle but I'm sure there are others.
There are trade-offs. The additional cost and complexity of using relays can be offset by smaller and cheaper switches, thinner control wires and especially the larger capacitors needed when the CDU is some way away from the points. The same can be said for having one small CDU per point rather than a big one that has the capacity to fire all the points.
It may also have benefits if you are using radio control in reducing interference.
Thank you Graham, I'm still mulling over what form my portable control panel will take.
Regards,
BrianT.
Thanks Brian..
I'm thinking of a lift of system to move stock around. But I agree, I will need an end or some foam or something!
Hello again Scott.
I don't know how much of a rush you are in to make your cassettes, but if it is only a pending item, I will eventually post my solution, which you can copy if you wish.
I can go into more detail of my system if you wish, just ask the questions and I will attempt to help with the answer.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
No hurry!!
A little teach in for Scott.
The Trunking I am using is 100x 50 x 3000mm, this costs me
A bit more work on the scenic side of the layout with a few close up views.
The local AA man has stopped off at the Garage for a pee.
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While a little further up the Glen, an intrepid tourist is testing the temperature of the water, watched by his friends from the river bank.
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The farmers wife brings his sarnies that he forgot to pick up this morning.
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The open view shows the JCB driver still at work, will it never end?
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A few cows have been planted near the viaduct.
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The station platform is starting to look busy, but there are no creature comforts yet.
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There's a bit of pedestrian traffic crossing the footbridge.
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A new track level post shows the transition from rising ground to the level of the viaduct.
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And that's about it for tonight.
Regards,
BrianT.
Thanks for the view on the cassettes.. Very good!
I recently visited Scotland, staying at a village, Strathyre, on the A84 just south of Lochearnhead.
While in the area, I took the opportunity to visit Glen Ogle up the road from where we were staying, and re-familiarise myself with the scene there.
So this is the real Glen Ogle as of June 2014, starting with the A84 that climbs up glen Ogle.
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Here is the viaduct in all it's glory.
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And my feeble attempt to model it.
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The old Track line is lined practically all the way with self set what I think are Larch trees, but I could be wrong.
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The track bed has been made into a cycle and walkway, and is well used. The surface has been tarmacked, is being extended as a cycle way all the way back to Strathyre and beyond on the old rail bed. This bridge over the old track was what looks like an old farm track, and is where I put the now disused collapsed tunnel on my model.
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Not much modelling done I'm afraid.
Regards,
BrianT
Hi Brian,
Good to see you out and about again!
Nice photos, I must confess I do like that part of the world. I think your interpretation of the Glen has captured the spirit very well.
Frank
Good to see some photos of the real thing, Brian, but I'm not sure which looks more realistic... possibly yours!
Not sure about the larch trees, though - could be birches, but it's hard to say for sure.
David.
Thank you Frank'.
David, you are probably more likely to be right about the tree species than I, the only reason I guessed at Larch was because I know they used Larch sleepers in the original build in the 1800's, probably as a cost saving exercise, they were always running out of money during it's build, and originally, the line terminated at the head of Glen Ogle when they ran out of money, they built a station there and called it Killin, despite the station being seven miles from the village of Killin itself.
Sorry for the delay in replying, but I have only just got back from another weeks holiday.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
A little less lethargy today has seen a little progress on the layout, I have been down to the garden centre selecting some trees for the layout.
The garden centre was in the far east, and a varied selection was made, but they needed a little fettling, so I've been fettling, a dip in dilute PVA and a sprinkle of assorted greenery has improved there looks somewhat. Here , there trunks have been speared into a scrap piece of sheet polystyrene until they dry out.
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A selection of Fir and deciduous, the Firs are to go at the top of the layout beyond the station, to represent the Forestry Commission planting that has blighted many views in Scotland.
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The deciduous trees, of unknown species, (I'm not very good at identifying tree species), are being scattered about the slopes and riverside down the layout towards the village of Lochearnhead.
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Bothe sets of trees are of the wire armature type, unfortunately, the deciduous armatures are rather prominent, I will have to try and improve on this with a paste of polyfilla mixed with PVA and some colouring painted onto the trunks where they show, not looking forward to that little exercise.
The Firs are much better, while still a wire armature, they are so closely spun, the wire trunk is obliterated.
The rest of the trees I have purchased, have got plastic trunks, and look much better, although a sprinkling of different colours and grades of greenery has yet to be applied. You will have seen all the trees on the layout in previous photo's, but as they came through the post in there raw state.
I hope when doctored, they will look more realistic, but there is a lot of them, so don't hold your breath.
Regards,
BrianT.
Good morning to the Editorial Team of the 009 News Magazine.
I would just like to put on record that in my opinion, the July 2014, volume 41, No10, is the best edition that I have ever seen during my time with the Society.
The breadth and quality of the articles chosen by the editorial team is superb, well done to the team, and all those people who have submitted the articles chosen for printing.
Kindest regards,
BrianT.
Hello again, more modelling on Glen Ogle.
Look what arrived in the post today, four boxes of ten trees, extremely well packed,
Brian.. Nice work on the trees.. The trimmed ones works for me at the back.
Thank you Scott, still a little hair spray and scatter to do yet, but they aren't bad are they?
Regards.
BrianT.
They deliver that depth, that tricks the eye a little more, which in turn gives a great backdrop for the trains to pass though, over that amazing bridge!
You also a nice job of telling a story with your posts, which makes for a really nice read :)
Agreed, Scott - it's very enjoyable to have a bit of narrative.
Can't believe those trees are only 46p each! Makes me wonder why I bother making my own...
David.
Where were the trees from?
this is a copy of my ebay order, I don't know if you can access the ebay site from this information.
Just been on the site and it appears to have further reduction in the prices if you order enough.
Regards,
BrianT.
Seller: ethersell88 ( 118163 )
Seller information:
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Well, it's been a productive day in Glen Ogle today, a further 60 trees have been planted, a fresh coat of varnish laid in the river bed, the station has had a surface makeover, and an influx of passengers has descended upon it. A surveying team are busy near to the new drain laying, and all in all, the changes are ready to be photographically recorded.
So here we go:-
I'll start off with a site video, not quite upto Ted's standard as I don't have the room to set the camera up on the tripod to be able to sweep the length of the layout in one pan, so it's hand held I'm afraid.
Click on the picture to bring the video up.
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Three views of the garage with the recovery lorry being worked on, and one or two locals gathered around the postbox, having met up as they post some mail, the internet not having reached this part of Perthshire yet in the period of 1969 when this little fairy story is set.
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The AA man is still visiting the toilet.
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The land slide that brought the old LMS, ex Calander and Oban line to a halt, three months ahead of it's official closure by Dr Beeching in September 1965, is beginning to blend into the scenery as the raw stone and rock, weathers and starts to have some growth over it, four years on.
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The tree brought down by the landslip, lays across the Ogle Burn, and is all ready becoming a part of the topography.
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The Perthshire County Council employees are still hard at work laying the new surface drain from the A85 down to the Ogle Burn, this is to alleviate the excess water the runs off the eastern slopes of the Glen and flooding across the road.
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The County Council surveyor has his theodolite set up, and checks the levels of the new work.
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A view across to the viaduct as cattle graze peacefully by the Burn.
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The sun catches the water in one of the pools that are still full after the recent rain.
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The cattle appreciate the shallow water of the pools as the grass around the pools grows lush and green, or it will do when I've lushed and Greened them a bit more.
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More foot passengers approach the bridge across the Burn to join the train standing in Glen Ogle station.
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The station is quite crowded today as the sun shines.
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A long view, back up the Glen.
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And finally, as the layout grows and expands, more thoughts come into my head about how it will be operated as a single operator layout.
I can foresee difficulties with the radio controlled loco's returning down the rear of the back scene to the fiddle yard turntable, so I have decided that it will no longer be an end to end, but the turn table will go, to be replaced by a loop of rail similar to the top of the layout, so that trains can run continuously.
That means the elaborate turntable come cassette system is redundant.
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So if anyone is interested in acquiring it, please let me know, it will have to be collection only I'm afraid, but
Brian,
Glen Ogle has been impressing me for quite a while already but at this stage it's truly breathtaking. Well done, and thank you for letting us visit.
t
Thank you Tom, you are very generous with your praise, but it is nice to receive it.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Some new infrastructure is in the process of being added to Glen Ogle.
In my last post above, I said I was replacing the fiddle yard come turntable to make the layout a continuous run. This is the new baseboard section, all 600x600mm (24" x 24") of it.
Usual construction of 50x25mm (2" x 1") timber, butt glued and screwed joints, with MDF topping, screwed into place. Brass patternmakers dowels and M8 bolts and nuts to fix it to the original baseboard, and a diagonal brace to support the outer edge back to the leg of the main baseboard. Nothing high tech.
Upon this virgin base, I have laid a loop of track to connect the main scenic section of Glen Ogle round in a 225mm, (9") radius circle with one additional point to connect to the twin storage tracks that run down the back, off scene of the viaduct, from a similar loop at the deviation section of the lay out, adjacent to Glen Ogle station, at the top of the Glen.
Henceforth, this will be known as Lochearnhead.
My original intention was for this to be a simple loop connecting the front sceniced track, to the rear off scene track, to make a continuous run layout, but then I got to thinking, as you do, that this loop could be partially scenicised, as a completely separate section with half of the loop track hidden, and the rest, a small station, so that at the moment, is my intention.
Then I had another thought, I have noted the number of views this layout seems to be accumulating, but there are only a few regulars who respond to my ramblings, so the majority of viewers could well be new modellers, just browsing with no particular interest in Glen Ogle as a layout, but maybe looking for ideas or how to do's etc.
So, I have decided to use this little section of layout as an entity in it's own right, which just happens to be part of an overall scene.
I hope I am not telling Grandma how to suck eggs here, but I will give a blow by blow account of how I develop a layout from scratch.
I have already given an account of how the little base board was constructed and it's purpose, so I will continue with the construction methods.
The two tracks I have to join to make a continuous circuit, are only 225mm, (9") apart at the Lochearnhead end, and were originally joined by a turntable come sector plate, So it required a rather serpentine track of a small radius, to join the two ends of track. I purchased a set of N gauge setrack sections of No.1 radius, but I could not get the ends to meet using all setrack dispite my best efforts, so I had to resort to a section of narrow gauge main line track as well as the setrack to achieve my aims. I also fitted a single small radius point in the configuration, and carried the two out of site storage roads over onto the Lochearnhead board, giving me slightly more storage, and within sight of the front operating position.
Just a reminder that this is a radio controlled layout, so it will be handy to be able to see the loco's that are in store, there are no strategically placed section breaks to halt a train.
Right then, having got all the track laid, with the baseboard joint track ends soldered to some PCB to secure them in place, and the sections of track held with Peco LIL pins, we can start to scenic the track
This first picture shows the ingredients for the way I lay and ballast the track.
Starting at left of picture, there is a green plastic mixing bowl containing a 50/50 mix of PVA glue and water, Behind that is a cheap spray bottle containing water with a little washing up liquid added. (This helps break the surface tension of the water allowing it to flow better through the ballast.) To the right of that is the washing up liquid, now safely back under the sink where my wife stores it! To the right of that is the industrial size container of PVA glue. (Cheaper than buying the DIY size dispensers.) In front of the PVA is a bag of fine granite ballast, with a cone of the ballast poured out in the centre of the base board. In front of the washing up liquid are two Tic Tac sweet holders, the green labelled one is used to store the Peco LIL pins, the orange labelled container holds the Peco N gauge fishplates. These little containers are very handy for storing small items, the sweets are quite pleasant to eat, and the containers are quite robust in use. The small bamboo stick is used for stirring the PVA/water mix, the clear plastic spoon is for pouring the PVA/water mix onto the pre wetted ballast, and the paintbrush is to tease the granite ballast into place.
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I have laid a little of the granite ballast and brushed it into place.
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Here the ballast is being formed into a shoulder.
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And the brush drawn along the inside of the rail head to clear any stray pieces of ballast away.
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Ballast is sprinkled along the outer radius to be brushed into place to form a shoulder.
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When you are satisfied with the lay of the ballast, the section is wetted using the water spray, be careful that the blast of water droplets does not disturb the carefully adjusted ballast, because once wet, the granules of ballast have a mind of there own when you try to push them back into position.
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The pre diluted PVA/Water mix can then be spooned a little at a time onto the pre-wetted ballast, where it will disperse between the granules.
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The ballast can be left overnight to dry.
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You will have noted that I do not use a cork or any other form of sound deadening underlay to my track, and that I use real rock for my ballast.
It is my opinion that an underlay's only useful function is as an aid to providing high shoulders on standard gauge rail laying, and serves no useful aid to sound deadening whatsoever, and nothing looks like real rock ballast, than real rock.
Stands back and waits for incoming flack.
That's about it for tonight.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
As someone looking to come back into NG modelling after 35 years this is extremely useful. Thank you - please continue your 'idiot's guide'
Chris
To continue the Lochearnhead loop.
The loop is now ballasted where the rails will be on view, off scene the track is N gauge flexi and settrack, with an old Roco N gauge point to join the single track to the two storage roads.
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The on view rail sides were painted with rust colour.
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The old Roco point does not have an overcentre spring to hold the switch blades in place against the stock rails, which the Peco Points have, so the point motor needs to have a latching mechanism at the end of it's travel.
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This is a 40year old Hammant and Morgan point motor which does have an end of travel latch, it also has a built in change over switch which could be used for switching the frog polarity, but this switch could be unreliable, so when I last used this and many other H&M's, I mounted them on an aluminium plate, and fixed two micro switches that were operated by the operating lever of the motor.
You will see the home made Omega loop connecting the operating arm of the motor with the switch blade tie bar, the omega loop compensates for any over travel of the operating arm and removes any strain to the point tie bar.
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The rail ends which stop at the baseboard joints, are soldered to a piece of PCB to strengthen the fixing.
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The bare base board is now ready to be dressed with scenery. I am thinking of having a station here, not sure in what form, either another halt type as at the head of Glen Ogle, or something a little more substantial, like this ex Triang station I bought off Ebay for
Like you we also use granite chippings and fix the track direct to the wooden trackbed.
However we use a pipette of the glass type with a rubber squeeze bit at the end to apply the 50/50 PVA mix. I mix the PVA and water in one of those small measuring cups you get with some cough medicine (Night Nurse?) and add a drop of washing up liquid to the mix. This gives very good control of the amount and location of the PVA mix and just like spraying the wide area breaks the surface tension of the water allowing it to flow better through the ballast.
I think the last 500ml of PVA I purchased came from Poundland in a re-sealable bottle and this has lasted quite a few years now.
The final thing that we have always done is to paint the rail sides, sleepers and the ballast a uniformed rust colour. If you look at an established well used railway you will find that it all looks the same colour anyway, it is only on new sections where the ballast is clean and obviously grey.
But how the track looks is all down to personally choice.
Brian Meldon
Hello BrianM, I used to use an eye dropper for the dilute PVA, but it is many years since I last used it, and in my chaotic modelling world, it has disappeared, but the plastic spoon works quite well.
Today I am laying the platforms at the Lochearnhead site, hoping to get a little feedback suggestion on the question I posed re the type of station.
Thank you for your interest Brian.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Well, I've not been inundated with suggestions to my query with what form Lochearnhead station should take, so I've made an executive decision, and we will all have to live with it, at least 'till I get a better idea.
A little more work done at Lochearnhead, the curved station platform is 6mm Balsa wood, formed by laying the length of Balsa wood over the pre laid rails, and applying weight to the back face, which will impress the rail outline onto the soft Balsa wood, this was then cut using a Stanley knife along the indentation. When the excess had been cut away, the cut profile could be tested in place alongside of the rails, and any discrepancy in being parallel with the rail, can be remedied by drawing a compass set at the distance you require for safe passage of the rolling stock and the platform face, then with the compass point rubbing along the inner face of the rail, and the lead running along the platform top, you will get a parallel cut line that you can trim back to. The remainder of the station yard was laid with further planks of 6mm Balsa wood, butted upto the platform surface piece. You will note from my previous posting above, that the station has been painted, and looking at the pictures, poorly, there is a lot more paint requires splashing over the structure to make it presentable, but I do like the Caledonian Blue. :o
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The Wills fencing and half an Airfix level crossing gate have enclosed the station yard very nicely at the front, the platform edging flagstones have been scribed and the edge has a white line along it.
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Someone has shut the gate, we can't have none fare payers littering the platform area. There is still a little more ballast need sprinkling along the edge of the platform vertical risers, and when the other side of the track has some scenery, the ballast will be extended upto the greenery too.
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Something has just been delivered to the station yard area, and he is now leaving, with the help of a passer by to hold the gate open.
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There is still a lot to do dressing this station, and there is all the rest of the panorama to scenify, but that's about it for now.
Regards,
BrianT.
A little more work on the Lochearnhead station today, the start of a retaining wall using DAS modelling clay.
I made a backing for the wall of 3mm plywood, cut a tunnel aperture, and a balsa wood face for the tunnel, and glued it to the backing with an adjacent retaining wall, and started to cover the face with DAS.
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The backing was given a good coat of PVA glue, and the pre-squashed DAS was laid in place, and flattened more.
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Then more PVA and the next piece of DAS was prepared by pre-squashing on an adjacent hard surface to give the initial spread, before peeling it off and placing on the model.
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The covered wall put in place to check the result.
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A closer look at the still drying DAS, the mortar lines have been drawn in with a straight edge ready for the final carving when dry.
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Still a lot of work needed on the tunnel mouth before it can be considered finished.
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So that's about it for now.
Regards,
Brian.T
Looking at the finished work so far above, it does not look right. I think I should have put some buttresses on the front face of the wall, and the wall continuing above the tunnel mouth I am not sure about???
I think I should cut the wall maybe two courses above the tunnel, slightly step it back, and give it a 15 deg. slope back to the top and model a rock face perhaps, rather than the completely vertical wall.
The angled retaining wall to the left of the tunnel mouth looks wrong as well. Now obviously, the ground will be filled in upto the retaining wall later, but would this feature look like this in real life??
Your collective thoughts on this, or any other aspect of my modelling of Lochearnhead station environs would be much appreciated gentlemen?
Regards,
BrianT.
I agree that you should cut thee wall horizontally about two courses above the tunnel detail. If the lower wall is presently vertical then I think that buttresses are required. Cut them from suitably sized strip wood and cover with Daz would do it. What is the curve radios there?
David E
Good morning David, thank you for your input.
The curve radii is 9" (225mm) give or take a mm or two.
I bought some No1 (9") radius Peco setrack to make the circle, as it is easier to lay without the kinks that can be produced by Flexi track at any joints mid radii on a tight radii, but I could not get the two ends of the radii to meet the existing fixed rail positions at the front and rear of the scenic section, so I used some Setrack and some Flexi, hence my give or take get out, plus the Flexi was mainline 009, which looks the part as it passes through the station.
Going back to the retaining wall question, is your judgment based like mine on the looks of the thing, or do you have some knowledge of civil engineering?
A further question if I may. While trawling through my "It may come in useful sometime so I will save it." box, I found a large amount of Cork bark, and I am undecided whether to use it on the inner side of the radii at the station?
All my other scenic rocks have been carved plaster, but as I said earlier, this Lochearnhead section is a separate entity to the main layout, and I was going to give a blow by blow account of how I achieved the results to help others who are dangling a toe in the water so to speak, how certain results can be achieved.
Now Cork bark is a very effective medium for creating cliff type verticals, although it seems to have fallen out of fashion for the realistic scenery camp of modellers, but I have the pieces, and I could use it to produce a very lightweight rock cutting, but I don't want this to spoil the overall effect of the layout.
Again gentlemen, your thoughts would be appreciated?
Kind regards,
BrianT.
I never managed to get the Liliput four wheel coaches to negotiate 9 inch curves. I found that the couplings would pull either them, or the next vehicle off the track.
I have seen others remove the centralising plastic spring from the Liliput couplings to enable them to work with tighter curves, but then they do not self-centralise for coupling up (obviously!) and kink to one side when propelling, again often causing derailments.
Pitztalbahn has 11 inch curves and the Liliput coaches work ok with them but I find that each coupling has to be adjusted to be exactly central or they then cause problems.
Brian Meldon
Hello Brian, thank you for your comments, I must admit that I have not pulled more than one Lilliput coach around the 9" radii yet on this layout, but I have on the Rabbit layout I built my Grandson, and I don't recall having any difficulties with them, so I will have to see what happens when I start the trains doing anything other than acting as scenery furniture for the pictures I have posted.
When I saw your post signature before I read the post, I thought you were going to comment on the Cork Bark, because I know you have used that medium yourself on some of the layout pictures you have posted in the past??
Regards,
BrianT.
Most arched tunnels (and indeed arches) have a line of shaped stones or bricks at the perimeter of the hole - I think they are called voussoirs...
Thank you Hugh.
Regards,
BrianT.
A little more modelling done to Lochearnhead station.
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The retaining wall has been cut at the tunnel top, and the section above has been angled back to be modelled as a rock face, the wall has had a wash of black, and the rock face a wash of brown to get a feel for the scene
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The strong sunlight into my garage this morning is certainly throwing the modelled section into relief, but this view gives a better understanding of the angles now.
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Still a lot to do, but I'm getting there slowly.
Regards,
BrianT.
Quote from: gtmspyder on July 28, 2014, 13:38
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When I saw your post signature before I read the post, I thought you were going to comment on the Cork Bark, because I know you have used that medium yourself on some of the layout pictures you have posted in the past??
Regards,
BrianT.
Yes indeed, and I am still using Cork Bark on Westdorf as a base for rock faces. It is a bit retro when it comes to railway modelling, but it is quick and easy to use and I think it looks ok.
I get my supply from a local aquatic center where they sell it by weight so it works out quite reasonably priced as well.
Brian Meldon
I agree Brian, and seeing that I have three large pieces in stock from over 30 years ago, it should be mature enough by now to use. ;D
I am going to try cutting it at an angle to get the vertical lines running more of an angle rather than squaring the bottoms off and planting them vertically, don't know if it will work scenically, but you will all see and make your own judgments. ;)
Thank you for your reply.
Regards,
BrianT.
A little more progress on tonight's posting.
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The tunnel mouth has received some whitewashed quoins, the tunnel top and retaining wall have received capping stones, again at the moment looking whitewashed, and finally, the rock face atop the retaining wall has sprouted some large protruding rocks.
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A baseboard level view for a change.
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meanwhile, over the hill in the Glen, the track from the tunnel has acquired some post and wire fencing upto the start of the viaduct.
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And the viaduct itself has received stantian post fencing bolted to the capping stones.
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And that's it for today folks.
BrianT.
Well not quite all for today, I wanted to plant the Cork bark rocks at the Lochearnhead station.
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I cut the pieces of Cork bark to size for height, and at a slight angle back at the base, and bedded them onto a neat bed of PVA.
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I filled in any large gaps between adjacent pieces with a tinted plaster mix, and the heights gradually reduced as they contoured the circle heading towards another tunnel mouth to exit off scene.
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A rear view of the just set in place pieces.
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The hill top will be modelled on this scrap pice of foam board which I have cut roughly to shape and just rested on top of the Cork bark, the peak of the hill will probably be several thicknesses of polystyrene and shaped into a peak I think.
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And finally for tonight, a closer look at the station area.
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BrianT.
Hello again, I've had another thought, I do occasionally, sometimes inspirational, agh no, I'm in the middle of one of those at the moment aren't I?
Anyway summat new to me in modelling, you remember I'm in the middle of creating the Lochearnhead station scene?, yes you do, stop mucking me about. Any way, I needed a hill in the middle of the run around, and I was going to do summat technical with lots of polystyrene offcuts, piled on top of a flat base, resting on the Cork Bark cliffs, well now I'm not.
I decided to fill the area with spray foam and see what it looked like, so I stuffed the rock tunnel mouth with paper to cover the rails, wedged a piece of board at the point I did not want the foam, covered the area at the back right of the Cork Rock where it abuts the main base-board, and sprayed the foam onto the flat top of the base board.
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The foam came from Screw fix at
The above prediction was true, the last scene lasted less than 24 hour.
Today I attacked it with a hand saw and a hack saw blade. I squared off the back where the expanding foam had pushed the plywood shuttering over at an angle, and cut it more vertically with a handsaw.
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I then sliced off the rounded top to make more of a plateau.
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I continued taking slices out of the foam following the contours formed by the Cork Bark below to get awau from the Christmas pudding effect.
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The colouring I used was this Crawford Black's Acrylic in the handy sachet's from "The Works" a cheap chain of shops that sells books, stationary and artist materials etc. they cost a fiver for two.
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Having sliced all the chunks out of the foam I thought necessary, I started covering the raw foam with a paste of Polyfiller mixed with some of the Acrylic colouring.
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That's about as far as I've got today.
BrianT.
Just a bit more done today, fiddly scene dressing, a few bushes and a bit of grass, an odd tree, and an odd rock or three.
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Regards,
BrianT.
The improved shape certainly looks much improved, Brian. I like the way you've continued the shape of the bark up into the foam.
Thanks for the latest email by the way, I'm busy for the next few evenings but will try and get back to you asap.
Well, I know it's been quiet in Glen Ogle of late, but I've had a spell of couldn't be arsed, brought on by finding the Kato chassis could not climb the Glen with it's attached coach due to slipping.
I tried replacing the four wheels on the coach to the much freer running Kato bogies, but to no avail, more weight is needed in the loco bodies over the Kato chassis, and at this point, lethargy set in, doesn't take long I'm afraid in my case.
So, what have I been upto?
I decided to add wires to the track, which of course is a lot more difficult when it is mostly sceniesised.
Luckily, I had fitted point motors, but can't remember what I did about the frog wiring.
So, I will add a little more detail later.
Regards to all,
BrianT.
So, to continue with the forced re-plan of controlling the layout, having put the radio control on hold, while I work out what to do with the radio controlled loco's I assembled.
I decided to wire the layout with a cab controlled analogue system, using a central control panel, showing the layout diagram, picked out with LED's, point control using DPDT ( double pole double throw) switches, operationally wired using the so-called one wire system, (Which is actually a two wire system in reality) which uses 2 diodes and a capacitor to each point to throw the switch blades, and at the same time as switching the point blades, indicate on the track diagram by colour changing LED's, which way the points are accessing, using the second pole of the DPDT switch.
This spare pole of the DPDT switch could be used as a frog polarity switch, but I have decided to use it as a point route indicator on the control panel, and if I have to wire for frog polarity switching, I'll fix some point operated switches adjacent to the points.
The control panel is constructed as follows.
First the track diagram was drawn out and copies made to allow me to fiddle with section breaks etc. then one copy was protected by a laminated cover to be used on the control panel. This was not entirely successful as the laminated sheet took on a wavy look which is purely the lamination process, and not my crap drawing of straight lines.
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The basis of the panel was a plywood box which originally contained a selection of water colours, and made an ideal A4 size base to house all the electronics and switches that could be mounted on the mimic diagram with all the works hidden inside the box.
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The diagram was glued to the box lid, and all the diode positions drilled and fitted with the 3mm diode holders, and the five DPDT switches fitted at the point junctions, with a further four DPDT switches fitted at the four track feed positions.
The darker grey stains around some of the diode plastic mounts is where I used some very thin Cyano glue to secure the diode mounts in place and the glue ran into the paper diagram inside the lamination cover.
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The picture below shows some of the wiring components, the DPDT switch, the 3mm plastic diode holders, the pre-wired single green diodes which came mounted with a suitable resistor and tails for 12 volt operation all ready fitted, and the bare twin colour, green/red three connection diodes, which had to have a resistor fitted to the centre common and wiring tails fitted. These will be mounted at each point divergence, and will show green for the selected route, and red to the unselected route whichever the DPDT switch position is selected.
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The more Eagle eyed reader will have noticed at the base of the track plan sheet, the reference to Balquider , this is because when I came to save the drawing to computer memory, I had a mental block and instead of typing in the Glen Ogle layout name, I typed in Balquider, which is the name of the junction station back down the line, which I had modelled as an EM gauge layout many years ago, Doh. ::)
I told you I wasn't well didn't I? :D
That'll do for tonight, I have to take more photo's before the next episode.
Regards,
BrianT.
Quote from: gtmspyder on December 04, 2014, 22:24
I decided to wire the layout with a cab controlled analogue system, using a central control panel, showing the layout diagram, picked out with LED's, point control using DPDT ( double pole double throw) switches, operationally wired using the so-called one wire system, (Which is actually a two wire system in reality) which uses 2 diodes and a capacitor to each point to throw the switch blades, and at the same time as switching the point blades, indicate on the track diagram by colour changing LED's, which way the points are accessing, using the second pole of the DPDT switch.
This spare pole of the DPDT switch could be used as a frog polarity switch, but I have decided to use it as a point route indicator on the control panel, and if I have to wire for frog polarity switching, I'll fix some point operated switches adjacent to the points.
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It might be a bit late now, but you can get three-pole double throw switches that are similar in size to the dpdt switches, just a bit wider. These would give you: 1) point motor control; 2) power for route direction indicators; 3) frog polarity bypass.
Thank you for that Hugh, but I had the DPDT switches in stock, and SWMBO is getting a little twitchy about how many little parcels keep arriving from EBay, especially when the card bill arrives. :o ;D
So to continue:-
To a view of the control panel as it stands today, along with sundry wiring paraphernalia.
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You can see from the above, most of the LED's are now in place and are lit. The power for all this is supplied by the Gaugemaster controller
for the loco's, points and LED's.
The Gaugemaster is held to the control panel with adhesive Velcro pads, and feeds the track 12v DC, via the four DPDT section switches, and the LED's via the smoothed 16 volt ac supply and the LED voltage dimmer control, fixed solidly to the control panel's opposite corner.
You will also note the 25 core cable and "D" connector which carries the electrics from the panel to the layout, I have cut the double ended, male/female plug terminated cable to leave a long tail that is terminated at the cut end, within the control panel box, so that the control panel can be moved around and will be plugged into a gender related socket on the layout, which can be duplicated at other positions around the layout to allow front or rear control as required by circumstances.
The short cut off end will eventually be used as a baseboard joint inter connector, again with a gender related plug/socket fixed to the baseboard.
The number of cables required to feed the various functions along the layout, will be paralleled along the length of the layout to allow the control panel to be plugged in at the various positions required.
You may note a white chocolate block connector temporarily connected to the short splayed out ends of the 25 way cable, this is so I can test the various cables for power carrying capacity and the various colour coding of the cores much easier than crawling under the baseboard trying to identify the colours on the rather thin, 7.02 cabling.
Regarding the current carrying capacity of this cabling, I have no problem with the power delivery to the loco's, and the points are thrown with ease.
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The inside view of the control panel, shows the plethora of wire associated with all the functions I am incorporating.
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The layout shows a series of bus bars across the control box, the supports for these are cut from the white chocolate box connectors glued into place, the bus bars are from 2.5 mm cable stripped out of twin and earth mains cable.
At the bottom of the picture, the outer coloured sheathing has been stripped from these two bus bars to bare copper, because of the number of soldered joints that have to be made for the LED feeds, and are fed from the smoothed 16v Gaugemaster supply via the dimmer control, to protect the diodes from any overvoltage, despite there inbuilt resistors.
Next up above the many diodes, are a series of six gang chocolate blocks which support from the bottom up:-
The first two of the blocks have there copper connectors cores removed to allow any of the 25 way feed wire cores to be supported from left to right without fear of any shorts between cores during there travel from left to right across the control box, to there destination circuit point.
The middle two of the six block carry blue and brown insulated bus bars which have a 2,200 Mf capacitor across one end, and the positive/negative outputs from an encapsulated four diode rectifier at the other end, fed from the 16v ac output of the Gaugemaster controller, to give a 20v smoothed dc feed to the point motor circuits, which is required for the so called single wire point motor operating circuits,, which have for each point motor a 2,200Mf capacitor and 2 diodes in parallel back to back to operate the two point motor coils using DPDT switches, which means that the motors have permanent lives to the coils without burning the coils out.
(I take no credit for this methodology of point motor operation, this was found for me by Hugh Norwood, from a posting on one of the forums. Thank you Hugh).
To jump ahead of myself, you can see along the top of the picture, the five 35v 2,200 Mf capacitors, fixed in place again, using the chocolate block connectors to hold the capacitors, and accept the bus bar via DPDT positive feed, and the on-going switched wire feed to the back to back point motor coil mounted diodes, hence the term "single wire" feed, although the two other ends of the point motor coils are connected to a common return, which in turn is connected to the negative bus bar back at the control panel, thus technically a two wire operation for the points.
To return to the bus bars, you do remember them don't you?, sorry, any way the top pair of blue and brown bus bars, are connected to the Gaugemaster 12v dc output, and feed the track via the four DPDT section switches, placed around the circuit diagram..
All the outputs are fed via the 25 way "D" plug cable to the base board.
A closer view of the internals.
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The loop of white 6 core cable alarm cable, is the link to the Velcro mounted Gaugemaster, to allow it to be lifted clear of the fixing position should this be required at some time.
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This view shows the short end of the 25 way multicore cable, connected to a length of chocolate box connectors so that I could test each point position operation, with the temporarily wired Peco point and motor, which also shows the two diodes connected back to back across one end of the motor coils, with the red positive feed connected to the diode connection point. the black wire links the two point motor coil free ends to the circuit negative. Each circuit point switch was connected and tested in turn.
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This picture shows the same components against a different back ground to perhaps make it clearer, and also shows, the reed switch and magnet components, which will be used at the rear of layout double tracked train storage area, to detect trains held in short sections off scene, which will be released one at a time on the down and up travel as required. This facility has been wired, hence the yellow wire shown connected to the single test reed switch, but awaits the single pole, push to make switches yet to be fitted in the holes currently left blank on the circuit diagram.
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And finally for tonight, a picture showing components and tools used to produce the control board, and my wife's work in progress Christmas card list and assembled cards.
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Regards,
BrianT.
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Not yet shown wired, the storage sidings to the left rear on the track plan, have two dead sections per loop between points, one pair in the loop for right hand rotation trains, and one pair in the adjacent loop for left hand rotation trains. The dead section will show red if occupied by a loco or train, held in store, which will turn to green when a normally open push button is depressed, to allow the stored train to move forward.
The detection will be by reed switches set between the track
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So at the start of a sequence, the layout can have four trains made up and available, two for clockwise rotation of the layout, and two for counter clockwise rotation.
The anticipated sequence of events for one operating session is:-
All track as viewed from the front is empty.
One button on the anti-clockwise storage section is pressed, allowing a train to enter the viewing side, and proceed to or through the bottom left hand station, known as Lochearnhead, head up and over the viaduct, and enter the up, anticlockwise loop of the top station, known as Glen Ogle.
While this is happening, the second storage button on the anti clockwise loop storage is pressed, and the second stored anti-clockwise train moves forward into the vacated loop, automatically stopping, and leaving the rear anti-clockwise loop vacant.
The first button of the clockwise storage section is pressed, and a train will leave it's storage and proceed off scene, up the back of the layout to appear on scene to the right of Glen Ogle station, and enter the clockwise loop of the Glen Ogle station.
During this sequence, the second clockwise storage button is pressed allowing the second clockwise train to move forward into the just vacated clockwise storage section and come to an automatic halt, leaving a clock wise loop vacant and ready to accept a train coming down the front and over the viaduct, through Lochearnhead station, and into store, ready for the next sequence.
The anti clockwise train still at Glen Ogle station, can continue it's perambulations, around the top loop, and down the rear off scene, until it enters the vacant storage loop where it will come to an automatic stop.
And thus the sequence can continue, ad-infinitum.
Ultimately, the unused point at the top right of Glen Ogle will come into play, if I ever build the extension down to Killin and Loch Tay, but that is a story for the future.
I hope that helps explain what I an trying to achieve.
Regards,
BrianT.
One comment I will make is that using the same type and size of switches for both point and section controls can be a bit confusing.
We found many years ago that it is far better to use different types of switches for different functions on a panel. For example small toggle switches for the points, larger toggle switches for the section control and slide switches for any dead sections.
But this is just down to personal choice I guess.
Brian Meldon
Hello Brian,
I have to agree with you, especially the switches for the station passing loop and the two storage passing loops which are quite short on the track diagram, and the short section between the station loop and the unused as yet spur for the Killin branch line, which bunches the switches close together, but I had intended putting different coloured shrink wrap over the toggles of the switches to denote sections and points, the storage release switches are N.Open push buttons, so no confusion there.
Thank you for your observations and continued interest.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
You can get rubber boots that fit over the metal switch levers - this means you can colour-code the switches to make it easier to show which are point and which are track power....
I got some coloured rubber boots from Squires.
Thank you Hugh and Harry, I'll have a look.
Regards,
BrianT.
Very impressive, Brian - it looks more like a telephone exchange to me but what do I know about electrics?!
David.
Hello David,
There is more to come but I haven't done the photography yet, I keep changing my mind as to what features to incorporate, but it now sports seven relays to change a green to a red for the LED's that indicate stored or station loop trains parked.
The relays work inside the control panel, could have been done by using changeover reed relays on the track, but that would have meant more wiring on the base board, so I opted to use the panel mounted relays.
Totally unnecessary of course seeing as I can see all the layout apart from the rear storage sidings, but I enjoy building control panels.
More pictures when I have finished the wiring.
Regards,
BrianT.
Here is your update if anyone has been following this thread, those that have read my recent post regarding on-picture explanations will see that I have failed miserably, so you will have to make do with my longwinded off picture explanations and find the various described items yourself.
You may remember we last saw the control panel it was in this state.
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I have moved on a little and finished mounting the diagram LED's and the midsection isolating release push switches, two in each leg of the rear storage roads, and one in each leg of Glen Ogle passing station. These switches are a simple press to make type which supply the track power to isolating sections just long enough to hold and accommodate the engine of any passing loco.
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The toggle switches nearest the junction positions, switch the points, and change from red to green to indicate the set route as the next two pictures demonstrate.
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Turning to the inside view, this shows the addition of five 12v single pole changeover relays, (12v SPCO relay), these are used to change the dual colour LED's that indicate a loco's occupancy of the short stop sections in storage sidings and stations from green to red. The relays are switched by in track reed switches operated by loco mounted Neodium magnets.
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A closer look at the relays shows the wiring, and to aid identity of the LED colours, the CO contact terminals are wired in the appropriate colours, red and green, this helps for future fault finding if required.
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I could have used Changeover track mounted reed switches to achieve the same results but this would have required an additional wire , from each of the five reed switches, back to the control panel, and I've only got twenty seven to play with :o To test the circuitry, I assembled this test rig and connected the appropriate cores form the 25 way cable that will ultimately connect the control panel to the base board,
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All the circuits tested out.
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All the point circuits operate a connected point, all the point switches show the selected route, and all the reed relays operate the correct coloured LED. All I have to do now, is wire up the stop section release switches, and that will complete the control panel.
More wiring later.
Regards,
BrianT.
Hello again, I have been a little unwell, so have not done much to Glen Ogle recently but to continue this long winded saga, I need some help from the electronics wizards on here.
The storage short sections have a reed switch laid in the track that operates a relay to change the green LED to red when the section is occupied, these are operated by small Neodium magnets glued to the bottom of each loco.
The loco's do not stop in the same place exactly enough to position the magnet over the reed switch, so it is a 50/50 chance whether the occupancy red LED is lit or not.to
Has anyone any ideas as to how I might overcome this problem.
I have tried putting more magnets under the locos, but this is still hit and miss, and there is a limited amount of room under there anyway due to clearances crossing the point switch rails.
I did wonder about a capacitor in each relay switching wire as some sort of hold on delay.
Your collective thoughts would be appreciated.
As always, many thanks to any responders.
Regards,
BrianT
Hi Brian,
Sorry to hear you've not been well. Hope you are on the mend now.
If you put some sort of delay in the relay circuit ( it would probably be a bit more complicated than a capacitor but not necessarily much more complicated) then it would still only hold the red LED on for a limited period of time.
It is possible to have a system where you have two reed switches, so the LED is switched when the loco enters the section and switched back when it leaves. This would be more complicated of course.
Do the locos drive into the sections and then out the other end or do they drive in and reverse out?
Frank
Hello Frank, the loco's pass through the dead sections, and are held there until required, then they continue in the same direction.
A delay, whilst not absolute, would be better than the quick on/off flash that I usually get at the moment, at least it would have time to register.
Obviously, a permanent on until the loco moves would be much better, but I realise that this would require a lot more circuitry, and probably some additional circuitry from the track position, which I don't particularly want to do as I have already used all 25 wires at my disposal from the control panel to the track boards.
Regards,
BrianT.
Whilst simple latching circuits are easily conjured in electronics, the devil lies in the detail.
To be of help, we'd need a diagram to show how things are wired now, and where the bits are relative to the connector. We'd also need to know, in detail, how the parked train is re-awakened; for example;
Hello Richard, thank you for your kind offer.
I have just sketched out a simple drawing showing the circuitry for the storage sidings off scene.
It is simply a facility to hold two clockwise and two anticlockwise running trains, on a parallel track configuration behind the scenes at the bottom left of the layout behind the loop of Lochearnhead station.
This is achieved by the simple expedient of cutting one of the rails twice, a little over a loco length apart, where I want the train to stop, thus isolating this short section of track from the section feed, and bringing the loco to a halt.
This situation is reversed by operating a normally open push button switch to feed power to the short section of track, long enough for the loco to pass over the track break and get onto track fed by the section feed proper and continue on it's way.
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In the middle of this short section of isolated track, is positioned a reed switch, which is operated by a magnet fixed to the underside of the loco. This micro switch is wired into the operating coil circuit of a small single pole change over relay (SPCO) in the control panel, the changeover contacts of which select a green/red LED, to indicate track unoccupied (green) or occupied (red), as the magnet activates the reed switch.
The problem I have is that as the loco passes over the reed switch onto the dead section of track, it does not necessarily stop with the magnet over the reed switch, resulting in only a quick flash of the red LED before reverting to green, leading to uncertainty as to the loco's position, because of course, should the loco overrun the rail break, it will come back onto the live section of track and continue on it's way.
I have tried additional magnets under the loco with mixed results, because I suspect the adjacent magnets are cancelling each other out, resulting in one or two quick flashes of red as before.
I thought that an inbuilt release delay on the relays (Hence my thoughts of a capacitor being charged to hold the relay for a period of time[/i].)would at least show red for a longer period of time and satisfy my need to be certain that the loco and it's train were stopped and held in position, although ideally, a permanent red showing until the push button is operated to release the loco on it's way would be the best.
I like the idea of additional reed switches in a parallel configuration covering the length of the dead section, as this is relatively easy to do, and simpler than having a latching relay with a separate release reed fitted upstream of each section to reset the latch, but I am open to further thoughts and circuitry on the subject, as long as it does not entail further wiring between the control panel and the track, as I have no wires spare in the 25 way D plug/cable I am using to interconnect the control panel and track, especially as this has to happen in seven different places around the track configuration.
So there you are folks, that's your starter for ten as Paxman would say.
Regards,
BrianT.
Ta for your diagram. Its just as I'd imagined.
The prototype latch module will be about the size of a large postage stamp, with three transistors, 3 resistors and a diode, on it. 4 wires are attached for connection to + voltage (red), ground/0v/- (green), relay feed + from reed (orange) and the track feed of the push button output(yellow).
Questions:
1, what is the plus voltage to the relay? (affects resistor values)
2, what current does the relay take or what is it's coil resistance. (affects the current rating of one of the transistors, TR1)
Once I have the answers I'll knock one up and call here for delivery details.
Richard
PS. how does one include a picture/diagram
Brian, is that reed switch NO or NC?
I ask because you can make a relay latching with just two resistors...
I'll try to dig out the diagram for it...
Hello Richard and Hugh, thank you for your help.
Hugh first 'cos I know that answer off the top of my head:- The reed relays are normally open, and as an aside, there are seven relays for seven short holding sections throughout the length of the layout .
Hence any additional wiring between control panel and baseboards required, would need an additional, albeit smaller D plug, to interconnect all four sections of the baseboards together, possible but a chore.
Richard, I will get back to you in answer to your questions as soon as I have put my test meter on the various parts of my existing circuitry.
The reason I cannot give a definitive answer now, is because all this circuitry is fed from my hand-held Gaugemaster control, (shown fixed to the right hand side face of the control panel in the pictures), using the controlled 12v dc for the loco's. The 16v ac, rectified and smoothed, is used for the point motor supply, and from this, via a variable voltage control, (shown on the opposite side of the control panel front), to adjust the diode voltages and hence there brightness , so I am uncertain of all three of the voltage outputs with out measuring them.
Regards,
BrianT.
OK here we go
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it relies on the fact that a relay can hold-in on a lower current than is required to operate it. The resistor in series with the relay coil provides enough current to hold it "on" but not enough to make it pull in, so the relay is usually "off"
A brief push of the upper push switch (or your reed switch) makes enough current flow through the relay coil to cause it to operate, after which the current flowing through the resistor keeps it "on".
A brief push of the lower push switch shorts the relay coil and the relay drops out.
You need to select the resistor to match your relay and the voltage supply. Obviously you need one resistor per relay and the get warm so you need 1W resistors
(PS I should say I have 12 relays in the control box on Angst driven by this circuit)
Nice one Hugh! I'd forgotten that property of relays.
I was concentrating more on an entirely add-on solution to an existing set up.
Richard
Thank you Hugh, a very elegant solution, with all the wiring required inside the control panel, and apart from getting the correct one watt resistor size to put into the relay feed from the reed switch, I have only to sort out the relay dump circuit switching, and the jobs a good-un.
Does anyone know of any miniature double pole, push to make switches??? ::) ;D while I trawl the internet myself.
Once again, this sites never ending usefulness is superb.
Kind regards, to all who have offered help and solutions,
BrianT.
Would a double pole toggle do?
Hello again Richard.
A double pole toggle would do and I have some, bot I would rather have the push to make type, but if I can't find any, then I may use the DPCO type I have in stock, or even buy seven Double Pole sprung off toggle types, which I know are available if all else fails.
Regards,
BrianT.
To continue with the work on the control panel, which is now I think/hope, is complete.
I took HughN's advice, and added a latching circuit to the already fitted single pole changeover relays that change the mini storage section diodes from green to red when a loco occupies the section.
Hugh's provided circuit is very simple and elegant, needing only a reduced voltage permanent feed to the relays that require latching, which, while incapable of pulling the relay on, will hold a relay latched if it is pulled on by a greater voltage, which, momentarily the reed switches provide as the loco passes above them does.
We now have the track indicator diode turned from green to red by the SPCO relay, and latched permanently on, until the circuit to the relay is momentarily broke.
The short storage section had a momentary action push to make switched feed from the track circuit feeding it, now if this had been a double pole switch, I could have used the second unused pole to break the latched relay's circuitry, thus letting the relay drop out.
Unfortunately, I could find no supplier of miniature double pole momentary push to make switches, so I have scrapped the push switches and used instead, momentary action double pole toggle switches, which now feed the short isolating sections with power to move the loco of the short dead section of track, whilst at the same time, cancelling the latch circuit to the relay, and thus resetting the red/green track diagram indicating LED back to green until the next actuation.
All this wiring I was able to carry out within the control panel itself, thus requiring no extra wires back to the layout.
It did get rather complicated within the control panel, wiring in the resistors to each of the seven fitted relays, and getting a stable controlled voltage feeding the resistor feed circuit, changing the seven mini section switches buried in among all the diode wires plus the additional wiring required, I prevailed in the end.
I found on Ebay a voltage reducer that would drop the voltage from the 20v I had available to 12v, and it even had a readout showing the voltage adjustments as I made them, all for less than
Well, Brian - all this complicated electronics is most impressive but I'm afraid has left me way behind...!
I'll be more engaged when you start using the tea strainer, and will be interested to hear how it does.
David (Collins)
(- for it is he - logged in with his alter ego! Apologies.)
Hello David, thank you for your Email.
Well the tea strainer grass applicator does work because I have tried it on the Lochearnhead board, which I have been using as a test bed for all the control panel wiring I have been doing, and happens to be in the house being worked on.
I used this board section to check my wiring because it is only 600x600mm (2ft square) and I can easily bring it into the house and work in comfort, and it happens to carry all the elements of the track wiring to be able to test prove my wiring.
It has a point motor, using the two wire point operation circuitry and frog polarity switch, plus the route selected LED's, three mini storage sections, using the changeover relays operated by the in track reed relays to switch them and change the track diagram LED's from green to red when the section is occupied holding a loco parked, and the new relay latching and release circuitry for the relays.
Thus in this one small board, I can test prove all the circuits that are used around the whole of the Glen Ogle layout.
I'll not bore you with how I made it, this has been well covered on this and other forums, suffice to say, for less that
Bump for Tom.
Regards,
BrianT.
Cheers my friend..........
Regards.......Tom. :) ;) 8)
Hello dear friends, long time no post :)
I wonder if anyone on the forum would like to take over my Glen Ogle layout?
Anyone not familiar with the layout can look at a blow by blow account of it's build in the postings below.
Kind regards,
BrianT
Sorry to hear that you are thinking of getting rid of the layout.
Hello Graham, thank you for your interest.
My reasoning is a little difficult to explain, but I will try.
I suffer from depression, which comes and goes time to time, with a complete lack of self confidence. Any set backs in what I am doing knocks my confidence and brings on a bout of lethargy.
I was Hospital engineer for 30 odd years, with many hard learned skills and I really enjoy building and making things, and I am usually successful in what I attempt. I have made two road going kit-cars for my son and daughter, two violins and a viola, for my son and daughter, a barrel organ for my grandson and a half size MK2 all electric Land-Rover, plus a 1200x600 sized rabbit layout in 009 and numerous other working and static models, for him. I can turn my hands to most things, joinery, plumbing, electrics, which is my formal training, apart from brick laying for some strange reason I have never managed to do to my satisfaction.
I am considered a god send to friends and neighbours when anything breaks down or stops working as I am usually there first port of call, either to repair it, or advise them so they are not ripped off by so called tradesmen cowboys, but this in no way helps when I feel down.
So to Glen Ogle, I have enjoyed building this, it is based on a real life location in a part of Scotland I have visited many times, and it is as near as dammit to being completed. I split the two small end sections off the main layout boards to more easily work on them indoors, and I have done a lot of modelling which has not been seen yet, to the lower of the two stations, but I found that I was becoming more and more unwilling to work on them, and I realised, that it is unlikely that they will ever be exhibited while in my care although that was the intention when I started the build.
So I thought maybe someone else would like to take it on, make it there own, and perhaps exhibit it someday, in the not too distant future, (I am after all 76 years of age), if some exhibition manager would offer it a place.
I would like to recover some of the costs involved with it's construction, but I would discuss that with any potential buyer, and I am not a greedy person, a bit sad perhaps, but not greedy.
I hope that has given an insight into my reasons for offering it on.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
I am sorry to hear that you wish to part with your layout Brian. In fact it is quite sad after seeing you put so much time and effort into it over the past couple of years.
I have found that I have big gaps between bouts of scenery building, sometimes years in fact! I just have to be in the right frame of mind. That said I do spend a lot of time running the trains on the layout that is complete apart from the scenery and works very well indeed so is a pleasure to operate and interesting with extensive shunting on the narrow gauge to pass the time.
Unfortunately disposing of 009 layouts to a good new home is never easy and can be quite disheartening at times. Most, like yours, have been built from their creator
Hello Brian, thank you for your reply.
I have had similar views from other forums I visit, so maybe I will continue to plough my lonely furrow.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Hi Brian,
I am sorry to hear about your troubles and I agree very much with Brian M's view - if at all possible I would suggest keeping the layout, many modellers have layouts they never quite finish, indeed when is a layout ever finished! If you keep it though you will be able to return to it when you feel like it which will I hope provide some enjoyment and satisfaction, particularly because of the effort you have put in so far in getting it how you want it.
Best regards
Frank
Thank you Frank, I'm slowly being persuaded.
Regards,
BrianT.
Hi there, Brian -
Like everyone else I'm sorry to hear of your current predicament. I say 'current' because change is always a possibility in life, even if we can't always foresee or envisage it - it's probably never wise to assume that things will always remain the same, whatever the situation.
Unless one is an exhibitionist, in both senses, making a working railway is primarily something we do for our own enjoyment and satisfaction [but see below]. So, if it no longer hits the spot, there's no point in feeling down about it, and certainly not in feeling guilty. So I'd suggest you just think back to all the enjoyment Glen Ogle has given you, be grateful, put it away somewhere dry and safe until things become clearer one way or another, and wait till the muse turns up again and your next project starts to crystallise in your mind. Given your track record (forgive the pun) it seems very unlikely that you won't be deeply immersed in something else in, say, a year's time. But even if not, it really doesn't matter.
Having said all that, you also need to be aware of all the pleasure you have given to us as we've journeyed with you along the Glen. So even if it has never physically left the house we have also enjoyed watching it grow and develop, and thanks for sharing the journey with the rest of us.
Your posts - if you feel like making any - will always be of interest in the future and I for one hope to see you around here for a while yet, even if you're not building a layout.
David.
Good morning David, and thank you for your kind words.
I have been overwhelmed by the responses to my recent post, and most gratified by the words of advice I have received, thank you.
Kindest regards,
BrianT.
I'm sorry to hear you hit a rough patch, but relieved to hear that you are encouraged.
I got a pizza layout out for the first time in a couple of years over the weekend. (Mind you it is a lot easier to put a pizza layout 'on hold', especially when it lives in a hat box.) I got frustrated with the trees on it and the little bridge across the stream looks completely wrong and I could not make up my mind what to do.
You say you fear you may never exhibit the layout. It has certainly generated a lot of interest here. The control panel alone would attract a lot of attention. If you would like to show the layout then I'm sure help would be offered. It can be very fatiguing running a layout alone. Some people welcome the opportunity to operate someone else's layout and even look forward to the chance to run their own stock on another layout. Some people even bring stock along and ask to see it run.
Hello again Graham. :)
I do indeed know how tiring it can be to exhibit a layout.
Thirty eight or so years ago, I exhibited a 1200x600mm, (4'x2' in old money) Rabbit layout I built, supposedly for my very young at the time daughter, at the York Easter exhibition, when Mike Cook was the exhibition manager, it was very enjoyable but tiring.
I was positioned in a dark corner of the old assembly rooms next Ian Futers, who had brought along his first foray with one of his circular layouts that became his trademark for a few years.
Regards,
BrianT.
Rabbit warren layouts have fallen out of favour these days. I have a very good one,
From our new railway correspondant, John Macdiarmid There is much excitement over the hill in Lochearnhead as the day approaches for the official opening of the Glen Ogle light railway.
All the resident of the surrounding villages have received a leaflet giving details and times of the day
The eyewitness report above shows that there has been a lot of activity around the site of the new Lochearnhead station as the following pictures show.
The model of the Marquee below, is made from printing paper.
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Photo bucket is playing up, more tomorrow when I'm not as frazzled.
Regards, BrianT.
Well the bucket seems to be cooperating today, so to continue:-
This shows a picture of the completed paper Marquee.
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And placed on the layout in one of two locations for the big event, either in the station car park.
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Or on the platform?
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I am expecting a lot of passengers, but they have yet to turn up for the occasion, meanwhile you might like to get you binocular's out and peruse the hillside above the station.
The top seems to have had a lot of rain, and the small burn is in spate, with the water running down the rock face.
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The small loch on the top has filled up and the excess is tumbling down near the tunnel mouth catching any passengers with there heads out of the windows with a surprise shower.
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But it is doing the lush new static grass the world of good at the trackside.
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That's about it for this episode folks, let me know which location for the Marquee before I model the holding down spikes and guy ropes.
Regards,
BrianT.
On the platform so that cars can park! (Perhaps a burger van in the car park as well?).
Maybe consider having the walls of the marquee open so that you can see what is going on inside and it isn't just a white building "under construction" to the untrained eye?
Glad to see you back and "at it" again Brian!
Mick
Keep it coming Brian.
Will you post updates on YMR? I know a lot of the members on there follow Glen Ogle.
Best,
Shaun.
Whoops! you already have...!
Some more progress while the debate goes on as to Marquee position.
It has been pointed out to me on another forum, that any structure has to be 6ft from the platform edge , now for those favouring a car park site, this is academic, but I still have not made my mind up as to the position, so here are some more pictures bearing that in mind. The car park looks very cluttered with the Marquee there?
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Where as the platform position, with the Marquee turned through 180deg, looks more realistic.
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Two prospective passengers wait for the festivities to begin.
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And a lone train lover, selects a suitable but less crowded spot to watch the trains go by.
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More later.
BrianT.
Quote from: gtmspyder on September 19, 2015, 12:52
Some more progress while the debate goes on as to Marquee position.
It has been pointed out to me on another forum, that any structure has to be 6ft from the platform edge
It's your layout Brian - you can put it on the track and have the train run through it if you want!
Looks best on the platform with the opening to the gate...
Shaun.
Thank you Shaun, but I aint going to cut two more openings in the ends just to let the trains run through, and what about the sparks setting fire to the Marquee, and all the smoke and steam spoiling the food. ;)
Regards,
BrianT.
But, to continue with some other new features on the layout.
On the hill top above Lochearnhead station, a local shepherd starts to gather in his flock with his dog "Milo".
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With a fine view of the station.
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And the surrounding countryside.
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Regards,
BrianT.
Good to see things are moving again, Brian. I do like the marquee, and there are some convincing rock faces there. The grass around the train spotter is also very good - is it static grass? I have to say I'm having more success with 'hairy cigar' grass than static of late.
David.
Hello David, yes it is static grass sprinkled onto PVA, through a home made tea-strainer/fly-swatter tool. There is more to do, but I am busy torturing the many figures I am painting, with pins in there nether regions, so that I can populate the station for the big event.
Regards,
BrianT.
Here is Lochearnhead station looking a bit like Kings Cross with all the local populace claiming there free rides up Glen Ogle.
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The red Land Rover Post bus in the car park, has just delivered several more from villages farther afield at Strathyre and Balquider.
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The lorry behind the post bus has just delivered more liquid sustenance for the refreshment Marquee.
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The hospitality marquee continues to be a popular attraction.
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That's about it for this visit,
Regards,
BrianT.
Hello once again, a little more work has been done to my modelling.
Now this is technically not part of Glen Ogle, but is a 2ftx2ft (600 x 600mm) extension board I have made to fix to the removable 2ftx2ft piece of the Glen Ogle layout that currently is hosting the Lochearnhead station depicted above.
I decided to visit one of the South Yorkshire groups meeting, and thought I would take a section of Glen Ogle that was easily carried with me, so I removed the 2ft Lochearnhead section from the lower end of the Glen Ogle layout to take to the meeting. I found the experience was very pleasant and I was made very welcome by the members of the group attending.
Now as you can see from the above, Lochearnhead station is a purely scenic section of the layout, whose sole reason for it's existence was as a return loop to make, along with a similar section at the opposite Glen Ogle Head end of the layout, into a dog bone configuration, to allow trains to circulate and try and make the movements depicted, a little more interesting.
There was some interest by members of the group, but when you have looked at the little scene depicted for five minutes, you are inclined to want to move on, and with no movement of stock to hold your interest, that's what people did.
So I came home, fully intending to make a return visit, I thought I would add another 2ft extension to the 2ft Lochearnhead section to make a rather queer shaped roundy round scenic circuit that could be bolted to the Lochearnhead board, so that I could at least run a train or two round it.
So this is what I have done.
I then had to decide what I was going to model on this new board section, and decided that perhaps a wood yard or some thing similar, might fit into the small bare area, and started looking for a suitable wooden building kit, and found this very nice laser cut wooden building from Scale Model Scenery, who seem to specialise in wooden laser cut kits, this one laid ot laid out as a stable block.
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Now when I started building the kit, I had no intentions of giving a blow by blow account of it's construction, but it is actually laid out as would the be real thing, in tongued and grooved boarding, with real rafters and internal wooden panelling, all exquisitely cut with the laser.
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so these views are of the finished model unfortunately.
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It goes together with little tabs and I used PVA glue to secure each section.
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It's weakest point is the paper wrapper supplied for the roof and brick base, and these could really be better modelled with separate tiles and bricks, but all in all, a very nice model.
To supplement this, I purchased from the scale-scenes range, a white metal kit of a backwoods saw table for cutting planks.
Now I have never before assembled a white metal kit, and if this is the standard of the supplied parts, I am not impressed.
I will show the assembly in more detail later,
Goodbye for now,
BrianT.
It is good to read about recent developments. The modular-like approach and your description of it being an oddly shaped roundy round intrigues me. From the lie of the track on Lochearnhead I imagine it to be kidney shaped.
Photos please!
Thank you for your continued interest Graham.
I am now going to describe my build of the white metal "Rural Sawmill", and the modifications I am attempting to motorise parts of it.
The kit of white metal parts are I think Pewter, and Have a lot of excess flash which has to be cleaned off, here is the complete kit after I have cleaned up the various parts.
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I have already separated some of the parts that will be motorised, I hope, by cutting the castings where a new axle will be fitted, and drilling with half mm drill for the new axle. Because the as cast axle bearing is very small, I have gone through the white metal as close to the actual axle position as I can, Below is the diagram supplied with the kit, which I will refer to as I describe what I have done.
Referring to the supplied assembly diagram, parts [8]-[9]-[10] require a lot of fettling to get them to fit one another.
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And here is the picture supplied, of what the model should look like when it is completed
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You will see, that the single cylinder steam engine [8] has a large fly-wheel [1] fitted at its base, I have removed the cast crank shaft end and drilled a hole through the casting to fit a piece of rod upon which the flywheel will revolve. The cylinder casting steam feed pipes are attached to the vertical boiler [9] which itself is attached at its base to the sled like structure [10]. This will be driven by a small electric motor below the model.
I am using superglue to assemble the cast parts.
This is going to be interesting. I am looking forward to your progress reports.
Gerhard
great stuff Brian, my model when it arrives (have ordered 2) should be easy! Thanks so much for your post in another place which brings me back to Glen Ogle
Peter Smith
Well, while I was away having a quick snooze, (my recent stroke tires me out so quickly), I see some of you have posted replies ;D, so I will have to continue.
I have started to assemble the cleaned up but as yet unpainted model parts, the single cylinder and its feed pipes have been mounted onto the sled like structure in this very unkind view. The half mm hole I have drilled for the replacement crank shaft can be seen at the bottom of the rather misshapen casting of the connecting rod on the cylinder casting. [8]
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The track rails [1] for the traveling log carrier [13], have been attached to the flat belt tensioner [6] which has had the heavy tensioning roller cut out, and a hole drilled through it, and the two side piece supports, ready to work with motorised flat belt when fitted.
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And the log manipulating levers [14] [15] and [16] have been attached to the traveling log carrier.
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the saw wheel bed [2] has the cast shaft and multiple speed adjusting rollers cut off, the stepped rollers had the remains of the cast shaft filed away, and a hole drilled through its centre. The shaft bearing blocks have been drilled out as near to the actual bearing block as I could manage, and a new shaft inserted through the drive roller, stepped pulley and the two bearing holes, and then the and saw blade glued to the end of the shaft.
Pictures to follow.
That'll do for now, I'm tiring again, sorry.
BrianT.
That's looking good, Brian!
don't rush it Brian we can wait and its very interesting
Peter Smith
I don't seem to have a rush in me at the moment Peter, thank you for your patience.
To continue with the sawmill build. The circular saw wheel supplied [4] Is a white metal casting and does not look very convincing, so I thought I would substitute it with one of the Dremel slitting wheel blades, this is slightly larger in diameter, but with a little filing to the casting position in the saw table, can be accommodated.
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The difficult bit is fixing it to the substitute axle, which is quite a bit thinner, but by sliding a piece of the smallest heat shrink sleaving onto the shaft, and heating to shrink, it seems to have worked, although it does not run true.
The castings have acquired a coat of acrylic paint over a Halfords rattle can grey primer, and the various sub structures have been glued into place on the rail bed.
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You can see the new shafting to the saw wheel and the heavy steam engine fly wheel that I have fitted, but as yet, I have not attached anything to the free ends of the two shafts.
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Anther rather blurred view of the components.
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And an overhead view.
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And an end on view. The steam engine heavy flywheel at it's base is supposed to connect, via a flat belt, through the belt tensioning structure, and on to the saw wheel shaft.
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And the cause of all this flurry of activity, is this additional board that I have made to allow me to take a small working section of Glen Ogle to the South Yorkshire group meeting at some time. You can now see why the track layout is necessarily unusual as it joins up to Lochearhead.
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Here shown attached to the 2 ft Lochearnhead board from the bottom of the Glen Ogle pass.
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A back scene and side boards fitted temporarily in place while, I decide how I am going to lay out the saw mill building and sawmill, and where about's the rail way line is going to terminate in the scene from the off scene junction point.
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I think that's about it for today while I play with the electric motor or motors.
Regards,
BrianT.
Here is an update on the current state of the model, I have now started to build a covered work area which may be covered with wrinkly tin if I can find some that looks real enough.
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Here is log mounted onto the revised log carrier and showing the first pass cut at the end of it's travel.
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Still lots more to do.
Regards,
BrianT.
that is looking really excellent Brian and pleased to note the log on the carriage is the sort of diameter I hoped for (about 3 scale feet in my HO scale). Like that first cut
It's been a bit quiet on here I know, but that's because I've had to go back into hospital again for three days, having had another small stroke, but I'm back here now, whoopee.
Right then, I've been having a think, which you have plenty of time to do while whiling your time away in a hospital bed.
I'm thinking of converting the single cylinder steam engine into a small generator, which means it can go anywhere on the site, with a saw drive motor connected to the saw shaft and in view, rather than having to be hidden from sight with the drive belt option.
Any thoughts anyone?
Regards,
BrianT
Sorry to hear about your 'time out' Brian, and pleased to see you back in action. The sawmill is looking really delightful!
David.
Thank you for your well wishes David, it's a bit of a nuisance.
As well as pondering over the sawmill drive arrangements, I had another think about how the sawmill would receive it's incoming logs to be processed. I had laid a point in off scene, ready to carry goods to the site, but at time, had not thought what those goods would be.
I was originally going to build the sawmill diorama into the little layout base board, but thinking about the layout of a saw mill, having looked at the pictures kindly researched for me, I realised that goods in and goods out, really aught to be via two separate spurs off the main line, the incoming, which I had made provision for, would ideally have a gentle rise to get the wagons above the saw sled, to allow logs to be rolled off the wagons, and down to the saw sled.
You can see the proposed saw mill position where I have marked the hole positions for the roof supports.
This first picture shows the incoming spur, with it's fierce "S" bend to get it into position, this section of the line will have a built in rise.
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To alleviate the strain on the rail joint caused by this very tight bend just after the point, I have fixed 4 brass screws just below the rail level, and with the rail laid straight across them, solder the rail to the screw heads, then bent the rail into it's "S" configuration, and held it temporarily with drawing pins.
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I made no provision for the outgoing spur to the main line, and because the main line rail is all ready on a 9 inch radius, any point would have to be hand built in situ, so this is the next stage
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Again to alleviate any strain on the Peco rail fixings while I worked on the point assembly, I put a screw either side of the running rail, and soldered the rail to them before bending the spur rail into it's new position.
I now need to remove the remainder of the Peco sleeper moulding, and replace it with copper clad sleeper section, where the point is to be built up.
I have mislaid my copper clad 00 gauge sleeper strip, so that's brought that little exercise to a standstill until I can get someone to run me to my local model shop, Marcways of Sheffield.
I shall just have to get on with slitting the base board each side of the incoming spur, and wedging it up a little, and drilling for the log roof supports.
Regards,
BrianT
A little more done today ::),It's most frustrating when your limbs do not respond to the commands from the Brain :(
An over all view of the little baseboard.
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A closer view of the rural sawmill with it's new wriggly tin roof.
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An internal view of the sawmill.
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With the roof off, reveals the same overall layout that was on the small diorama board as before.
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The log delivery spur has been raised above the saw bed, and rails run from the track to adjacent to the saw bed at the log delivery end.
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You will note that the saw drive and the single cylinder steam engine still have no electric drive motors, so we could be onto plan "C", has anyone got a plan "C" tucked away in their "to do" drawer :-\.
The problem is that to attach a motor (generator) to the steam engine, the motor would have to be quite small to look realistic, and all the motors seem to be overlarge for the situation, or if small, revolve at absurd speeds, and gearing down is not really an option. The saw blade drive motor could take a larger motor, but again, the speed would be excessive, and if the motor was bigger than the generator supplying it, again, it would look absurd. So at the moment, having movement at these two points is on hold, while I have a think.
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The manky colours are only to relieve the bare base board colour, and will eventually look nothing like what you see now.
That's about it for now.
Regards,
BrianT.
I have ordered a couple of Roco bolster truck wagons to replace the Roco standard wagon I have parked near the log deliver rails, these two will be duly laden with logs for delivery to the sawmill.
Tomorrow, my son is having the day off work to take me back to the hospital for some more tests, so we should be able to divert to Marcways on Attercliffe for some 00 sleeper strip, so I can then get on with the point construction, that's going to be fun in my present state ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
Hi Brian,
what is the diameter of the motor you would look for? and what would be the approximate length? I have a number of cheap mini servos with gear defect - not repairable as there are no spares available. Probably a motor from there could fit your sawmill.
Let me know the size and I have a look.
Regards Gerhard
To give you an idea of the size of motors I am speaking I made a short video. Just with the phone so I apologize for the quality.
What you see here is a helicopter in H0 scale, made by Roco. This is a static display model, but I wanted some action. So I put in a motor and a battery - and the people have something to look at during a show ;) Especially as you can move the thing around and it still runs...
What I also modified is the landing gear - the original plastic thing was too fragile so I made one from brass wires.
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Just click on the picture and the video should load.
Hello Gerhard, that's extremely kind of you to offer.
The motor wants to be 10 mm in diameter or less, and 10 to 12mm long in the body, with a shaft diam. of 0.5 to 1.5mm in diameter.
I can find no motors of those kind of dimensions on EBay.
The alternative, certainly for the circular saw drive, would have to be fixed below the base board, and probably belt drive, as gears would be difficult due to the logistics of the gears plus thickness of the base board plus half the diameter of the motor.
I am looking at a reduced geared, motor and gearbox. The gearbox shaft output diameter is 2mm, and the saw blade shaft is 0.5mm, so two pulleys and a rubber band might be the answer???
Any way, thank you for your offer, as per the Tesco advert, "Every little helps". ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
Brian,
As discussed:
Can motor, brushed, approx. 5V operating voltage.
Diameter 10mm
length 14mm
shaft (rather short, probably 3 mm) 1.0mm diameter
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For a belt drive you would need something really thin as a belt. Probably a cotton thread.
If needed I can make a grooved wheel for the belt drive.
I am sure direct drive would be possible.
Send me a PM if you want it. As the servo was broken there is no cost.
Regards
Gerhard
Good morning Gerhard.
Apologies for the delay in contacting you, but for some reason, I cant get onto my windows live mail account to monitor or send emails, and I have several items that will require attention on there. ::)
Your offer is extremely generous, and I would like to take you up on it if I may.
I might be able to couple it as a direct drive using heat shrink tubing, or if that is not possible, a small pulley mounted onto the motor shaft and a below baseboard fixing would certainly be possible. I have some 2mm neoprene drive belt that I can cut and superglue to size as a drive belt.
I also have some large drive pulleys on order from EBay, which is why I need to get back on the internet ASAP, I will have to wait for my son to call and sort me out, my computer skills are minimal, and this windows 10, I can't make head nor tail of it. :-[
Kind regards.
BrianT.
Perhaps some of the part Nigel Lawton sells would be of use:
http://www.nigellawton009.com/PayPalMotors.html
Brian Meldon
First to Brian Twigg:
Please send me a PM with your address so I can post you the motor. (don't put it on the forum, we never know who reads it)
Direct drive with a hot shrink sleeve may work. In any case I can also put a pulley wheel into the envelope. Just tell me the diameter. Manufacturing that will not delay my current station -build as I always have to wait for the paint to dry anyway.... :)
By the way - for very fine drive belts I go for a balloon-preferably in a dark colour - and cut a small strip off. It is very elastic and seamless.
Then to Brian Meldon: Thanks for the link, this is a very interesting & useful web-site.
Hello again Gerhard.
As soon as I have access to my internet, I Email you with my details.
In the meantime, the pulley will require to be very small as I presume the RPM of the motor will be quite high, even on a reduced voltage, so let's say 6mm at the root of the pulley..
I like the idea of the balloon drive belt, I can see me acquiring a selection of small balloons. ;D
I'll be in touch when I'm up and running on the 'net.
'
The other Brian, thank you for the link to Nigel Lawton's site
Kind regards to you both,
BrianT
The pulley wheel came out nicely. Diameter is 6mm, groove is 1mm wide and 1.2mm deep. I made a test run, the wheel runs true. The wheel is just a press fit. If you prefer direct drive you can remove it by carefully pulling it off (best with some tweezers or a small screwdriver from behind the wheel)
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The motor runs already with 1.2V (single cell NiMh). I tried to give the wheel a bit the shape of a cast iron wheel - of course you have to change the colour.
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Gerhard, you are a star of the first order, thank you very much, now I just need access to my internet,.
My son will be visiting in the morning, bringing our 14 month old grandson who we look after on a Wednesday and a Thursday, hope fully he will sort me out, that's my son, not his son, although the speed children learn about computers nowadays, I don't suppose it will be long before he's getting involved. ::)
Here's a little update on the point I have had to make in situ.
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The inner stock rail has been bent to form the start of the point, and extended to complete the length of the goods out siding.
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The outer stock rail I did not cut, but cleared all the Peco sleepers that were still attached, out of the way.
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I then made the crossing "V" and soldered it in place, and joined the extended ends to the appropriate stock rails.
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The straight switch blade was next made and laid in place.
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With a test run of some stock traversed across the "V" to check for a smooth crossing.
And that's about as far as I've got for tonight, sleepy sickness has crept up on me once again.
Regards,
BrianT.
I like that - Ii have never seen a point being built directly where it needs to be! Looking forward how you make the switchblades moveable.
By the way - couldn't resist - before I put the motor into an envelope - it looks too modern for your sawmill. So I made a small brass sleeve for it. Looks better...
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And it stands on the floor now. To see the size I have put some guys next to it. Well - we are on a different scale - these guys are H0 - so they are slightly smaller than 009-ers would be. But still - looking at the size of the motor I suppose it has approximately 100kW.... or in more understandable units 136 HP... :)
Is in its envelope now.
regards Gerhard
Wow Gerhard, that's brilliant, it looks too good to hide below the base board with a belt drive, we will have to see what can be done.
This is supposed to be the generator for the site, so it's size and pretend output is probably appropriate, I hope the single cylinder steam engine can start it ::)
Many many thanks for your help, and I look forward to the post man coming.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
One parcel received Gerhard and thank you once again, not been able to do anything with it yet accept to admire your handiwork as I've been backwards and forwards to the hospital today, with the good help of my neighbours.
Another scan of my chest required for some reason, this was a late call this afternoon, saying they had a slot due to a cancellation. This morning was a two hour slot for Physiotherapy which really knocked me about.
The point blades I'm going to operate with Fairy dust and cross my fingers ;)
regards,
BrianT.
More work done on the Glen Ogle wood yard.
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The insitu point build is now finished and just waiting for it's point motor, the back scene has had some builders foam sprayed onto it to form the cliff face. The small pieces of foam at the base of the cliff with a black cross on them, are the pieces of foam I have previously cut off the cliff above.
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A closer look at the finished, in situ built point, now ballasted along with most of the plain track on view.
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The single cylinder steam drive engine is now driving an alternator, coloured in fetching black. This motor, very generously donated and modified for me by Gerhard of this forum, is now coupled directly to the steam engine crankshaft via a small piece of shrink wrap, and drives the crankshaft at unheard of speeds when 1.2volts is applied ;D
More views of the scenic foam, sprayed onto the back scene.
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Regards,
BrianT.
Next job is to splash a bit of polyfiller onto the foam to make it look more like rock.
Regards,
BrianT.
coming back to your in-situ point. So I understands it works by elastic bending of the rails - are they bending that easily?
What point motor are you using?
There will be a constant force from the blades to go back into a certain position. A normal point motor would be pushed back by the force of the blades. Is it a point motor using a screw drive you are using?
Sorry - many questions - but I try to learn something...
Regards
Gerhard
The point motor I think I am going to use is this old Fulgerex, which has a geared drive and should have no problem driving the switch blades across.
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Most of the other point motors on Glen Ogle are either Peco or old H&M driving the Peco points which have the snap action.
Should the Fulgerex motor not be able to move the switch blades, then I will cut the blades near to the frog crossing, and fit two fishplates, but I'm sure the Fulgerex motor will be upto the job.
This method of relying on the springiness of the switch blades to accept the movement, has been tried and tested many times before in 00 points and normal N gauge points by myself, but this little narrow gauge points has very short switch blades, so there is not as much springiness, but we will see.
I hope this is of some help Gerhard?
Regards,
BrianT.
It is a bit late now but one trick with the shorter blades is to file a V both sides into the flat bottom of the rail. This will make the blades a lot more flexible.
I have always found that week section on any hand made point is the blade to stretcher/tie bar joint.
Brian Meldon
Quote from: B.Meldon on May 04, 2016, 12:34
I have always found that week section on any hand made point is the blade to stretcher/tie bar joint.
True. I have had to resolder point blades to the throw bar often on the Dutton Bay Tramway, but have not had to do any work anywhere else on the turnout. A pivoting join to the throw bar would be much better, but much more complicated to construct.
Thanks! Interesting. I never tried that. must give it a go one day.
To make a pivoting tie bar action, I have in the past used two Peco LIL pins as pivots at the switch blade ends.
The point is made as I have shown, but instead of soldering the two ends of the switch blades to the piece of PCB, I cut the over long tie bar PCB, and mark where I would be soldering the switch blades, and drill a hole with the smallest drill I have got, to accept the LIL Pin diameter, through the PCB at the two marked positions.
I would then cut through the copper cladding on the PCB and check that the continuity is broken across the two segments, then I would turn the PCB switch tie bar over so that the copper cladding is at the bottom, to stop any overzealous soldering on my part, depositing any solder onto the copper cladding when the next stage is undertaken.
We now have the Tie Bar with two LIL pins positioned vertically in the point tie bar position, with the two LIL pins on the inside of the two switch blades, the LIL pins are carefully bent at 90 Degrees, and laying alongside the switch blade, these two horizontal legs are then carefully soldered to the inside of each switch blade, and the solder is cleaned up so that the wheel flange does not impinge on the Solder as the flanges pass by.
You now have a tie bar that is not straining the soldered joint each time the point changes position as the LIL pins pivot in the tie bar PCB.
A bit log winded I'm afraid, but doable.
Regards,
BrianT.
That's a neat sounding approach Brian. I'm not certain how well it might work with flange clearances on the code 55 rail the DBT uses, but it seems the easiest solution I have found to produce a pivoting throw bar. Certainly worth a try next time I build myself a turnout.
Just a little update on the Glen Ogle sawmill extension.
The area has had a covering of builders foam around the perimeter back scenes to simulate a rock cutting, and this has had it's first covering of paint.
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The white patch is a pasting over with kitchen towel where the Fulgarex point motor shaft protruded through to operate the point tie bar.
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I couldn't resist dressing the scene a little with the sawmill output and some rolling stock.
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The laser cut wooden stable building is now going to be a riding stable, I hope the sawmill sounds and the visiting steam loco's don't spook the horses?
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The sawmill exit point is now going to be operated by this servo motor, hence the white patch over the Fulgarex position.
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There's still a lot of scenicing to do, but at least, there is a little forward movement.
Bye for now,
BrianT.
We have had a fall of greenery, only the base coat green flock, but it looks a bit better.
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Although I doubt you can see it, the sawblade is now motorised and spinning, and being powered supposedly by the three phase alternator attached to the single cylinder steam engine. The sawmill is in full production cutting timber for the local building trade, supplying ready made roof trusses, and floor boarding.
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Some of the manufactured roof trusses and cut floor boarding has been loaded into a wagon ready to be collected by the next available pickup goods.
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It's a good job the roof is removable, or you would not be able to see any of this activity.
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The last log has been delivered for the day, and the mill is winding down ready for the end of shift buzzer.
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With the last log going through the blade, the two carpenters are marking out the timber for the next rafter constructio.
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It's difficult to see the spinning blade, but the noise is quite realistic. The blade is driven by a belt from the below base board mounted motor, via an elastic band to a pulley fixed to the extended saw shaft.
I didn't think to photograph this, but I will post a picture soon.
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The nearby stables, are certainly within earshot.
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The site flagman is signalling to the wagon loader, while the two empty bogie bolster log delivery wagons await there pick up.
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A view behind the scenes at the wood yard.
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That concludes this edition of the story for now.
Tomorrow, I am being taken up into the wilds of Sutherland, to a beautiful spot on the West coast of Scotland
Called Achmelvic just north of Lochinver, my wife and I visited this spot 30 odd years ago while caravanning with our two young children, we had a week of wall to wall sunshine, with the beautiful white sands, 20 yards from our caravan door, bliss. My daughter and son in law are doing the honours this time, and we are staying in a holiday bungalow, on the side of the Loch.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Brian, enjoy your holiday!
Holidays are always a good possibility to collect items for model railways! A few unusual stones, a weird shaped dry plant, a piece of moss....
Gerhard
Another update on the Glen Ogle supplementary scene.
A quick growth of trees and broom bushes has added a little texture and colour to the scene.
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The stable has acquired a couple of shire Horses, because some of the country lovers who frequent this site, were concerned that the combined noise of the screaming saw blade, and the occasional loco, would frighten the riding stable horses, so they have been stabled elsewhere. The more placid Shires are raring to cross the line just as soon as the handler gets his backside out of bed and walks across to take charge. The two Shires are all ready in harness thanks to the two stable lasses, and set to tow a few logs for the saw men. The handler is not going to be too chuffed to find the Shires have opened the gate and are waiting patiently, very clever these here horses are.
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The brass A1 I think loco, in its primer coat, I( It's a ong time since I assembled it), waiting for it's battery and receiver to be installed, so that it can, under radio control, do some thing use full, new Del Tang/Micron receivers have arrived today, and will hopefully be installed in the very near future.
From this angle, it looks as though the loco cab roof has had a bash, it's a good job the cab is not occupied yet.
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The flag man looks a little inebriated, maybe the LIL pin up his nether regions is proving a tad uncomfortable, we'll have to see if he will stand more to attention, or he's on his way to the dole office.
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Well that's about it for this episode in the life of country folk, I'm hoping to take the scene to the South York's 009 meeting on Saturday, whether the loco will move under it's own steam by then, we will have to see.
And before some wit on here points out it's a diesel, I'll remind them that it's battery driven, if it ever moves by itself.
Regards,
BrianT.
you have ended up with a delightful scene in a very small area Brian; the greenery makes all the difference
Good story well told and illustrated. Enjoy the holiday
Peter Smith
I am offering my Glen Ogle layout for sale, this comprises 2 x 4ft scenic sections of the Glen Ogle viaduct in Perthshire, with 2 additional scenic sections to convert this end to end layout into a tail chaser layout of 12 ft.
There are lots of pictures of this layout's build on this forum.
I haven't a clue as to it's worth, so please make a bid.
I am having to sell it as I am losing the use of my hand, and my modelling days are coming to an end I fear, and I need to clear my garage out of this layout, and the 4x2ft very scenic rabbit layout I created eight years ago for my then young Grandson, who is now ten.
Regards,
BrianT.
Brian -
This is sad news indeed, not least because we have enjoyed the continuing tale of Glen Ogle so much over past months (possibly years, though it doesn't seem like it!)
Also sorry to hear that, while the spirit is willing, the flesh isn't keeping up with it. I'm sure that Glen Ogle and other modelling endeavours have given you a lot of pleasure over the years, which is what it's all about, of course. I can only wish you many years of armchair modelling to come to maintain your interest and pleasure.
All the very best,
David.
Thank you David, so I can't interest you in a purchase then ;D ;D ;D
Your comments are very much appreciated, I would love to see it on show somewhere, but it's not to be under my piloting unless it happens before this loss of use gets any worse.
Will I see you at Mansfield tomorrow?
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Hello again fellow members, well here we go again, it would seem that the incapacity I was starting with, (The loss of feeling in my hand.) whilst still with me, has not got much worse, so I am able to resume some of my modelling activities.
It is Very frustrating and I seem to have a handful of thumbs now, but at least I feel that I can do something useful.
So, I have decided to re-model the forestry area that was the 600 x 600mm (2ft by 2ft) extension above the Glen Ogle station, which is just a curved section of track that took the trains round to the back of the layout, behind the back-scene, and down to the bottom and the Lochearnhead station 600 x 600 extension board.
So I have removed all the forestry commissions Christmas trees off the board, and the time of year allowed me to recover the substantial sum of money I had laid out on the Chinese market, by selling them to the public to place in there houses as part of the Christmas festivities, HO HO HO. ;D
A picture of the now de-nuded board shows the start I have made. I now have to try and remember how to reduce the size of the picture to 800 x 600 for your delight. Old age is a terrible thing. ;) ;)
I'll be back as soon as I have fathomed it out again.
Regards and Merry Christmas to you all.
BrianT.
Well the picture below is what I was referring to and I did manage to get it onto Photobucket, but I don't know if this is the 800x600 image or the full size image, I thought you could hover the curser near or on the picture and it would show you how many pixels were displayed, as far as I can see now, this facility is no longer available.
Does anyone know?
BrianT.
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The board fits at the top of the Glen Ogle layout, it was going to be a simple fiddle yard originally, but I soon found out that fiddle yard to fiddle yard layout is not really my type of layout, much preferring the building and scenifying part of the build, then just watch the trains trundle around to occupy me. So I added a small 600x600 board to each end solely to be able to allow the trains to be turned at the top and bottom and run endlessly.
The bottom extension board now hosts the Lochearnhead station, this top board was originally forested with fir trees as the quickest and simplest way of covering the bare board, and in real life this area of Perthshire is heavily forested by the forestry commission with fir trees down toward Crianlarich.
I well remember them being planted some 30 or more years ago, and cursing them every time I revisited the location as they grew and obliterated more and more of the beautiful Scottish countryside.
The short spur was to be the branch line down to Killin on Loch Tay.
BrianT.
Brian,
Good to see that you are back into modelling, even if with slightly reduced dexterity. Good also to see your article in the latest 009 News! :)
Regards
Tim
Yes - it's welcome back from me, too. I'm sure you will find some modelling therapeutic. My 'News' hasn't arrived yet but I'm intrigued (I had thought of keeping it unopened until Christmas Day as a treat but I'm not sure if I'm strong willed enough!)
Have a great Christmas.
David.
so pleased to see your post Brian after quite a break
Peter SMITH
Good evening, here's a further instalment of the Glen Ogle Saga.
The first picture showed the 600x600 board, stripped of all it's original forestry scenery.
I have decided to use modellers licence and try and depict a scene on the line some eighteen miles prior to glen Ogle and near the start of the line in Callendar, where the line skirts a lock as it tries to find the least cost option for it's shareholders, as it roughly parallels the A84 trunk road, necessitating many twists and turns and a few bridges before reaching the sharp climb that is Glen Ogle with it's viaduct up the Glen side of Glen Ogle.
Now this is all fiction, and any purists who tend to think that if you are trying to model a real area traversed by the railway, you should only model what is there, I don't like the strictures this imposes on the modeller, so I tend to ignore them if it suits me.
So this next section of line leaves the new Glen Ogle passing loop station, and instead of passing through a man made forest of Fir Trees, as it would were it still in operation, it will now circle the start of a loch, which disappears off scene over anyone's feet who gets too close while viewing the layout.
Here a section of the original baseboard has been cut away and the cuts have paralled the track with two cuts forming the bed of the proposed two girder bridges which are being laser cut at the moment, some where in Wales, by a very obliging model shop owner.
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It crosses two girder bridges abutting each other to accommodate the very tight radius of the track, as it heads towards the back of the layout to return, out of site, down the length of the layout to reappear at the Lochernhead station.
The start of the loch has a small ruined castle on it's shore line, shades of Eileen Donan castle a little further North, which is the intended scenic element of this additional small extension of the layout.
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The castle is one of those cheap wooden interlocking kits, which arrive as several A4 ish sized pieces of thin plywood, with sections of the models shape stamp cut into them, these shapes can be carefully pushed out of the sheets and are designed to interlock with each other to produce the model depicted, in this case, a castle.
As you can see in this first view of the model castle, I have not bothered to complete it, nor will it ever be completed, as it is my intention to do an Oliver Cromwell , and knock-it-abart-a-bit. To this end, I have glued all the abutting sections together, and when dry, all external tabs , designed to hold the model together, will be cut off plus, various structural sections to reach the ruined state of a lot of these old Scottish castles seen today.
Then, rather ambitiously, I hope to cover all that is left with DAS modelling clay, and scribe the stonework at a rather more 4mm to the foot scale.
Now this might seem to you super duper modellers out there as cheating, but at my age and in the present state I am in, I'm a Tesco modeller, "Every little helps"
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Well that's about it for this episode, I do hope those who read it in the magazine, find the story of the Glen Ogle build of interest.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
To continue:-
Very little has been achieved today, the picture below shows the sum total of the progress.
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Some more of the original base board surface has been cut away, leaving the track like last years Devon floods on the south West coast mainline through Dawlish, swinging in the breeze.
The reason for this little bit of butchery, is to accommodate the two girder bridges needed to span the gap made to accommodate the line crossing the inland end of what has to be a sea loch to fit in with the story of my castle as you will see later.
The bridge is manufactured from laser cut parts supplied by Hippo toys of North Wales, ( Hippo Toys, 20 Conway Road, Colwyn Bay, N. Wales, LL29 7HS) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Railway-Layout-Laser-Cut-Warren-Girder-Bridge-2-Sides-3mm-MDF-Various/111914105129?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38661%26meid%3D42294a4cdd7e49108e67c416651504d4%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D381553596747
I think the above gobeldigook has a name, but I don't know what it's called, but if clicked on, will get you to the ebay site of Hippo Toys
All I can say is that they are a superb company, I telephoned them 01492-544617 with a query on Sunday 18/12/2016 as I was not sure exactly what to order from the extensive range available, and I spoke to the gentleman who does the laser cutting, sorry I have forgotten his name. He listened carefully to what I required, and was doodling my proposed bridge as I spoke, he took a card number, address etc. and told me the very reasonable price of less than
Quote from: gtmspyder on December 22, 2016, 20:27
Some more of the original base board surface has been cut away, leaving the track like last years Devon floods on the south West coast mainline through Dawlish, swinging in the breeze.
Echoes of Abergeldie Castle?
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It even had a bridge many years ago:
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Found through: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=abergeldie+castle&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=974&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS8rzwhYrRAhXDcFAKHTaKAL8Q_AUICCgD&dpr=1#imgrc=-j-JmVAzx2Tl8M%3A (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=abergeldie+castle&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=974&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS8rzwhYrRAhXDcFAKHTaKAL8Q_AUICCgD&dpr=1#imgrc=-j-JmVAzx2Tl8M%3A)
The layout is looking good! I'm glad you have returned to it.
Hello Graham, and thank you for the link to Abergeldie castle, it is very interesting, and this links to many other Scottish castles which will help me in my modelling.
Now I'm not sure whether to model the castle as derelict or not? Agh decisions decisions :)
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Derelict gives flexibility in the surroundings and the opportunity to be picturesque, gothic even.
There are many examples about. One not far from here is Gight Castle, childhood home of George Gordon AKA the mad, bad and dangerous to know Lord Byron.
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gight+castle&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFkfSG_orRAhXcclAKHU7SBEwQ_AUICSgC#imgrc=o-rNYObnFnafGM%3A (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gight+castle&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFkfSG_orRAhXcclAKHU7SBEwQ_AUICSgC#imgrc=o-rNYObnFnafGM%3A)
Other ruined castles in the area are Tolquhon
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kildrummy+castle&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1024&bih=494&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-r4mp_orRAhUDNVAKHYRxANgQ_AUIBygC (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kildrummy+castle&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1024&bih=494&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-r4mp_orRAhUDNVAKHYRxANgQ_AUIBygC)
and Kildrummy.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kildrummy+castle&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1024&bih=494&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-r4mp_orRAhUDNVAKHYRxANgQ_AUIBygC (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kildrummy+castle&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1024&bih=494&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-r4mp_orRAhUDNVAKHYRxANgQ_AUIBygC)
from this I invented what I thought was a fictional location - Kilquhon, only to find it has a family name link.
The most famous round these parts must be Dunnottar.
Hello Graham, thank you for you research into Scottish castles, the more I see, the more I realise that the model I have partly built will have to have considerable modifications to look any thing like a Scottish castle.
The square turrets on the front are going to have to go to start with, all the Scottish castles seem to have round turrets, so I'm going to have to go out and purchase a packet of Pringles to butcher, and remove the square appendages on the castle front corners, oh goody goody, more work.
Right, to get on with the present state of the work so far:-
I have now removed most of the existing base board top except for the section supporting the rails. I have fitted a 6mm MDF base to the bottom of the 50x25mm (2"x1") softwood framing with glue and screws. the remaining track support base has had some 50x50mm blocks glued between the new base and the old top base.
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The bridge gap has had a new decking made, and fitted with the laser cut girder sections glued to the edges of the decking. and three sections of 50x50mm softwood pieces cut to act as bridge supports, These have been covered in DAS modelling clay scribed to represent stone work.
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The DAS clay was purchased from a shop called "The Works" which is a cheap source of goods useful to modellers. The clay was cut into handleable sections, kneaded to make it workable, and rolled out with a plastic pipe rolling pin to a useable thick ness.
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The three bridge support pieces were coated in PVA and laid on the DAS, which was then formed around them, with the excess cut off.
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The Clay clad pieces were then put to one side to harden, and were then subsequently scribed to represent the stonework. Whilst not completed yet, I couldn't resist putting the bridge in place to look at the results of my labours.
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A second view with the as yet unbutchered castle roughly placed in the position it will be when fitted.
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That's all for today folks.
Regards,
BrianT
Very nice work. Looking forward to seeing how things progress.
Jeff S.
Quote from: gtmspyder on December 24, 2016, 16:13
Hello Graham, thank you for you research into Scottish castles, the more I see, the more I realise that the model I have partly built will have to have considerable modifications to look any thing like a Scottish castle.
The square turrets on the front are going to have to go to start with, all the Scottish castles seem to have round turrets,
I would not get too concerned about "type" as there are so many. Excluding the famous ones like Edinburgh and Stirling, most are or were family homes. Quite a lot of the turrety-bits and crenelations are Victorian affectations and not defensive.
Towie Barclay (owned by one-time member of Fairport Convention Marc Ellington) copies Prince Albert's liking for sticking round fiddly bits on top:
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If you want square - try Kisimul Castle on Barra:
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/28/1a/05/kisimul-castle.jpg)
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kisimul+castle&safe=off&biw=1024&bih=494&site=imghp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjk5e3i0pbRAhUNdlAKHcV3BNAQ_AUICCgB#imgrc=gaipk7Gqjs8WXM%3A (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kisimul+castle&safe=off&biw=1024&bih=494&site=imghp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjk5e3i0pbRAhUNdlAKHcV3BNAQ_AUICCgB#imgrc=gaipk7Gqjs8WXM%3A)
If you want pepper pots, then the most local one to here is Barra Castle at Oldmeldrum:
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Where there are significant defensive towers they are quite often buried under later additions such as Crathes Castle (wonderful gardens and near the heretical Deeside Railway):
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Then you can take it too far as in the totally un-Scottish-looking Culzean Castle!
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(did I say I like castles? ;D )
Palm trees?? (last photo) The West Coast, I guess?
West coast of Ayeshire at the entrance of the firth of Clyde
David
Hello again, I hope you have had a good Christmas, and are looking forward to a happy new year.
I have not been idle, and done a little more work on the Glen Ogle extension board, thank you to all the castle picture contributors, I really appreciate them, and have tried to alter my model accordingly, there is still a lot to do, but I will get there eventually.
The model bridges have been more or less completed, and they have been installed on the layout with the three supporting pillars, only a little more tarting to do.
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The 6mm additional base has been painted a rather lurid blue, and the sides between the top track supporting board and the new bottom board has had a squirt of builders foam to start forming the banks down to the loch water.
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The open area under the point has been left to enable me to install a point motor, which when in place, will have a cardboard box cover, and a final squirt of foam to model the sea loch bank side.
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The castle had been suitably knocked about by the English Navy a long time ago in retribution for some perceived naughtiness by the Scots.
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It is to be placed on a small island near the inland end of the sea lock where this picture shows.
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There's still a lot of modelling to do, but progress is being made, I think??
Regards,
BrianT.
Good morning each:-
A lot of in my head planning overnight, the N gauge setrack will have to go, when I originally laid it, this board was to be covered in forest and was merely a ploy to get the tight circle required to return the track round to the rear of the layout and back to the bottom, so I used N gauge setrack for convenience. But now most of it is on view, it's beginning to aesthetically jar, so I will have to go and get another length of narrow gauge track and re-lay it, the lengths of setrack crossing the girder bridge will have to remain as I don't want to disturb the bridge itself.
The castle looks a little dark as well, so I think a repaint is on the cards to lighten the stone work, to match the several castle building Photographs so generously supplied by members on the forum.
So things may be a little quiet on here while I get busy.
Regards,
BrianT.
As you can see, a visit to my local model shop, Marcways of Sheffield has got me a length of Peco mainline narrow gauge track, I have lifted the two setrack number one curve sections at the girder bridge and the old length of Peco mainline track upto the PCB baseboard joint, and laid the new section of track in it's place, held in position with Peco Lill pins temporarily, these will be removed when the ballasting has dried and set. I have prepared the necessary tools etc. required to ballast the new track, these are my spray can with a dash of washing up liquid added to the water contents, this helps break the surface tension of the water allowing it to flow more readily rather than pooling, a very dilute mixture of PVA glue and water, a spray can lid used as a container for the "N" gauge granite ballast I have always used, and two small paint brushes I use to tease the ballast into position around the sleepers.
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I'll get to the assorted wires further down the page, have patience. The granite is poured onto the track and brushed into place using the two artists paint brushes, the larger size to brush the ballast roughly into place, and the smaller brush to tease the tiny granite chips off the tops of the sleepers and away from the sides of the rails.
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I've just realised I have not shown the smaller brush in the picture, sorry, but it is used. Bellow shows finished ballasted track showing the still wet ballast, I hope correctly laid with no flange catching chips that I usually find when the first piece of rolling stock circumnavigates the track, now isn't that a lovely word, I could have said when the first wagon runs along't track sithy, but for our posher Southern members, I duh mih best.
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Mr moderator sir, can you please rescue me, some thing has gone wrong, and I have lost a large chunk of my post some where, I lost a piece earlier so typed another version in, but when I came to post the much larger newer version, I got the message that I had posted this earlier, and have lost the last attempt at posting what is a very long epistle. HELP ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
Well my plea for help has got me no where, so I look like having to type it all in again, and it will not be as good as the first version because I added some Yorkshire humour first time round, well I thought it was funny at the time of typing, but now I can't be bothered to do it again. :(
As some of our more erudite members will have worked out, you did work it out didn't you?? the wires shown were the feeds to the point motor needed to operate the junction point, adjacent to the girder bridge, that was laid ready for the line down to the village of Killin. This will probably now never be built, but nevertheless, it will be motorised just in case. This shows a modified Hammant and Morgan point motor which must be at least forty years old, originally fitted to my old EM gauge loft layout. The H&M inbuilt crossing feed switch was a little unreliable, so I mounted two actuator arm operated micro switches. I don't remember why I fitted two, but there would have been a good reason at the time.
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I have lost the original operating crank that works the point tie bar, so I have had to make a new one from a 50mm nail for the shaft, with a saw cut across its head and a piece of suitable wire soldered into the cut as the crank.
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Here it is shown fitted into place awaiting its made up box to protect it from the next addition of ground structure, that will make it accessible in the future without too much damage to the scene.
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You will also see from the next picture that I have started to cover the builders foam forming the banks of the sea water loch with coloured polyfiller ready for further groundwork in the future.
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That's about it for this episode.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
The new track and ballasting is looking good!
Sorry - unable to offer any help, but you have my commiserations as a similar thing has happened to me on more than one occasion.
I cannot be certain, but think the problem has arisen when I'm pressing backspace to delete text and somehow the cursor moves out of the editor window and pressing backspace does something like go back to a previous message or page.
I keep meaning to use something like Notepad to type into and then copy what I've typed into the forum editor but never do!
Hi all,
Loss of what you have already thoought through and written is the bain of forum world.
Until you at least get to the point where it is saved as a draft there is no road to recovery.
Once it's gone - It's gone - well maybe.....
If you, like me, have been typing away and suddenly that what you were typing isn't there anymore.
You have a slight hope that what you had typed is still going to be recoverable.
Click on the browser 'Back' button.
Once - should take you to whatever you just found yourself doing/looking at.
Twice - will hopefully take you back to what you had been typing - if not...
Thrice - will take you back another stage
Fourth - you get the idea?
Whatever number of clicks you use - keep trying!
If you do get back the what you had typed, but lost, select it all and copy it.
Do not try to continue from where it shows you you text - It's a falst start and finish that will not save properly.
Start your posting again frmo a new reply.
Paste in what y6ou have saved and then continue!
No gtee that this will works as it dependeds exactly what you did since your original reply was lost.
7 out of 10 times this works!
Thanks
A suggestion for long entries:
Type them up offline in a text editor or the wordprocessor of your choice - you can save it as you go along.
When you are ready to publish it on the forum, simply copy and paste it into the "reply" box in the thread of your choice.
:)
Thank you Hugh, I keep meaning to do this, but I start typing in the answer box and forget, until I lose it,DOH.
Happy new year to you and your family, and all the residents of "Angst".
Regards,
BrianT.
Thanks, Brian, hope to see you at a S Yorks group meeting sometime.
Some more work done on Glen ogle.
I've been working on the castle Island, but I didn't seem to be making much progress, so I thought I'd leave it a while and work on the Castle itself as a change.
Now no self respecting derelict castle would be complete without it's covering of Ivy, so I decided to have a go at planting some around my castle, and thought some of you might be interested in how I do it.
The Castle has still not been planted on the Island, which makes working on it easier.
My wife has been knitting some pretend chain male for my son-In-law, who is currently rehearsing for the stage show Spamalot, a take off of Camelot. He is rather a large lad, and it would have been expensive knitted in wool, so she has knitted it in common or garden string, and it does look very convincing. She bought several balls of string, and as there is some left, I decided to use the string as the vine of the for the ivy.
I cut several suitable lengths and glued the ends of the string to the base of the walls at the position I was going to grow the Ivy up from, and waited for the UHU glue to set, this would allow me to pull and move the string about during the next stage of the procedure.
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I then teased out the string into it's separate strands, a most frustrating job as the string keeps trying reform it's lay, but by gluing the ends of the string first, it does allow you to pull and tug as required, I found that by pushing the ends of my tweezers through the bunched strands, and then working my way to the unsecured end, I was able to eventually separate the strands, and lay them out in the order of being glued into position up the walls. I spread some UHU glue at the top of the wall position, and with the tweezers, picked up a strand and looped it over the top of the wall where the glue held it, while I picked up and positioned all the subsequent strands. While at this stage, I painted the string/vine stalk with dilute PVA glue coloured with Acrylic paint, this helps set the string, and gives a grounding for the subsequent first coat of greenery to be applied.
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This picture shows the still unfinished growth so far
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That's about it for tonight, I've got some tidying up to do ready for my Two year old Grandson's visit tomorrow, I love him to bits, but he does like to get among my tools and modelling materials, given half a chance, so I do like to keep the proportions of his halves as small as possible, after all, half of nowt isn't much' ;D
Regards,
BrianT.
That's looking good
Love the ivy!
What color of acrylic paint did you use to color the PVA?
Jeff S.
Hello Jeff, the paint colour is Burnt Sienna, there was nothing scientific about the choice, I just needed something Brownish and added it to some watered down PVA I was using at the time.
I'm still entertaining my Grandson at the moment, but I hope to get back to more Ivy planting later when he's gone. ;)
Regards,
BrianT.
Thanks for the info, Brian. Have you kept your grandson away from your tools? :)
Jeff S.
Jeff, my workshop working arrangements are chaotic, so there are lots of bits and pieces all over the place including the floor, he loves to join me in there, and spends his time picking various bits and bobs up from the floor, or off the bench top if I don't watch him, and then hands them to me with a "There you are Grandpa". At two years old, it's most endearing, but can be quite wearing, because if I ignore him, he persists in calling my attention to his ministrations until I relieve him of the item, whereupon he gives me a beaming smile with a thank you Grandpa, like I've said, I love him to bits. :-* :-*
Regards,
BrianT.
Yes, looking good, Brian!
I'd endorse what Hugh says about writing posts - especially lengthy or complicated ones - elsewhere and then just pasting them into this site. It does help avoid those heartsink moments when hours of work disappears to - who knows where (if it does, you have it elsewhere and can just re-paste it). It's especially useful if you have photos, too, as you also can pre-paste the links from your photo-hosting site into the basic text, too, and paste the entire post in one simple operation.
David.
Thank you Hugh, David, Graham et al for your commiserations and sound advice re my lengthy postings, it's just that I forget ::)
I've been planting the castle and attending to the Sea Loch water, I'm currently awaiting for some Pollyfiller to Dry/set, further pictures on the way soon.
I have taken delivery of a new laptop desk for my Xmas gift of a new laptop, and a load of new trees, all from the land of the Orientals, the desk was
AS promised last night, a few pictures of my new acquisitions and further progress of Glen Ogle.
This is a view of my new purchases, new computer stand and Chinese trees.
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And here is the view of the new work undertaken yesterday, the sea loch has had another coat of blue and a pasting over of PVA glue to seal it and hopefully put a few ripples on the water. The floating greenery is from the new trees as I unpacked them for your delectation.
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The girder bridge has had another coat of acrylic blue paint, the supporting piers have had a touch of colour, and a coat of matt varnish to seal it.
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The castle has been planted and secured to it's Island with Polyfiller, and given a spray this time of matt varnish'
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The castle has had a little more work on it, the courtyard has been paved in large flagstones, and a little more greenery added to the ivy. More greenery is required in the form of grass growing in the flagstone cracks, I think maybe a self set tree some where, and the Island itself will have a colouring of colour and some growth.
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The whole scene has acquired a little background colour to it, but there is lot's more to be done.
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That's about it for today.
As this part of the layout makes no pretence at being part of the original Calendar to Oban line, at least at this part of it's original route, I fancy a mini Plocton village somewhere perhaps within the small board area, whitewashed cottages and a church perhaps, who knows how my feeble mind will progress this section of the layout, any thoughts any one?
And I do know that Plocton is on the old North British line to the Kyle of Lochalsh, and not the Caledonian line to Oban, but Plocton is a very pretty village and modellers licence and all that????
Kind regards,
BrianT.
It's all coming together nicely, Brian. I am particularly impressed with the castle ruins.
The trees from the Orientals are the most realistic I've seen in a while. Do you recall the company you purchased them from?
Jeff S.
Here you are Jeff.
https://vod.ebay.co.uk/vod/FetchOrderDetails?transid=857124991022&itemid=351506263843&qu=1&ul_noapp=true
Regards,
BrianT.
Here we go, and seeing it is Sunday, I thought we would go all religious on Glen Ogle.
I'm still toying with the idea of a little village, and every little village has a church of some kind, so here we have the makings of my interpretation of a Scottish village Kirk, I'm looking for a railway saint to call it, so ideas please?
In the after Christmas sales at the garden centres we visit on our outings, ( tea and a sticky bun type gardening is my type of gardening ), I had noticed that a lot of them were selling laser cut plywood models of Christmasy type buildings, especially churches, at very reasonable prices Now being a very lazy modeller, I looked more closely at there offerings, and decided to purchase one, without it's seemingly obligatory covering of snow, and see what could be done with it. So here we go.
The model came with a plywood base that included a depiction of a fir tree and santa, so these and the front protruding base board were Stanley knifed off, I like to model doors ajar, and that was very tricky as I had to cut down the laser scribed line down the middle of the double doors, and round the door edges, until the right hand door of the pair could be separated from the model.
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I scribed around the laser lines of all the other windows as well, as I was not sure how steady my hand was going to be if I tried painting the frames, and hope the scribing would help later.
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I temporarily fitted the cut out door in place with a bit of blue tack to try it.
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I wanted the building to have a white washed render effect, so set about trying to achieve this. I coated the wall with varnish and sprinkled on dry Polyfiller powder, but this proved unsuccessful, so a plan
Quote from: gtmspyder on January 07, 2017, 16:27
Here you are Jeff.
https://vod.ebay.co.uk/vod/FetchOrderDetails?transid=857124991022&itemid=351506263843&qu=1&ul_noapp=true
Regards,
BrianT.
The link wouldn't work for me, Brian. Do you happen to recall the ID of the seller. I could look it up that way.
Jeff S.
Sorry about that Jeff, try this one, someone on the other forum had difficulty with the first one I posted, but says this second link has worked for him,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10Pcs-12cm-Green-Tree-Model-Train-Railway-Layout-Wargame-Architectural-Scenery/291556043183?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40760%26meid%3Dc8ecc61f9ea44a0982e9563620b964a7%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D351506263843 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10Pcs-12cm-Green-Tree-Model-Train-Railway-Layout-Wargame-Architectural-Scenery/291556043183?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40760%26meid%3Dc8ecc61f9ea44a0982e9563620b964a7%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D351506263843)
Regards,
BrianT.
Quote from: gtmspyder on January 08, 2017, 23:45
Sorry about that Jeff, try this one, someone on the other forum had difficulty with the first one I posted, but says this second link has worked for him,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10Pcs-12cm-Green-Tree-Model-Train-Railway-Layout-Wargame-Architectural-Scenery/291556043183?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40760%26meid%3Dc8ecc61f9ea44a0982e9563620b964a7%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D351506263843 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10Pcs-12cm-Green-Tree-Model-Train-Railway-Layout-Wargame-Architectural-Scenery/291556043183?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40760%26meid%3Dc8ecc61f9ea44a0982e9563620b964a7%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D351506263843)
Regards,
BrianT.
Hi Brian,
I think this is the one you mean?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=351506263843
At least - that's one of the sellers ID's that I have been using.
No problems experienced.
I think most of the trees lack height for anything based on 3.5mm or 4mm to the foot and I've only used them for t2mm or N Gauge since buying some.
Thanks
The link worked, but the seller does not post to the US. Oh, well.
Jeff S.
I went searching on US Ebay and found trees that were pretty much the same and ordered two different types. Thanks for the information, Brian.
A further update on Glen Ogle, a little scenery work today, no descriptions because I, am tired, just a series of updated views.
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There you go, looks a little different??
Still the possible village triangle to sort out, waiting for inspiration, and a railway oriented St....... for the church name.
Regards,
BrianT.
Quote from: gtmspyder on January 09, 2017, 21:31
Still the possible village triangle to sort out, waiting for inspiration, and a railway oriented St....... for the church name.
It is looking good!
I'm not sure about railway-related saints, but here is a list of saints with connections to Scotland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_saints_of_Scotland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_saints_of_Scotland)
Good morning Graham and thank you for the list.
I think I'll go with St Fillans, a Village on the line next door to Lochearnhead was called St Fillans, with the line whose builder company evades me at the moment, made a junction at Balquider with the Callendar and Oban line, so that's near enough for my purposes, I was going to make one up, but I'll not bother now, thank you.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
The phantom village chapel alterations, now known as St Fillans.
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Regards,
brianT.
In a recent thread I said that the NBR ran through Plockton to Kyle of Lochalsh.
I got this statement wrong, the furthest north the NBR got on the west coast was the Mallaig line. "The Skye line" was a part of the Highland Railway and started from Inverness.
In my defence, I did say modellers licence and all that, LOL. But thank you Kevan for correcting my mistake, although I should have known better as I have the story of the building of all three west cost lines somewhere.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
I agree, Brian - those trees are impressive, especially at that price. I am about to start (or at least I'm thinking about) making some pine trees but if they are available 'out of the box' they'd be tempting, though I do like to have a go myself before resorting to buying.
That kirk was a good buy, too. Yes, every church (and that includes kirks!) should have an open door, though these days that can be difficult (security and all that, sadly).
David.
P.S. You've reminded me that it's time I did some actual modelling again!
Hello again, here's an update on the happenings with Glen Ogle.
You may remember my purchase of the inexpensive Christmas laser cut models, depicting various Christmassy scenic buildings, that I thought might be an easy way of adding buildings to the circular return of the small board at top of the layout, to fill in the small triangle of land overlooking the castle, well here are three I purchased in various stages of demolition and conversion.
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The one on the left is going to be the villages church of St. Fillans to replace my first attempt at a church which is the building on the right of the three. This will now become the village Parish Hall. The centre building with the rather large hole in the roof where I have already removed an appendage, is to become the village School, and the village name is to be Brigadoon, seeing as it is now a completely fictitious stage on the railway, and it may only ever appear on any exhibition circuit every 100 years. ;D
And here the three are in the not yet finalised position on the layout.
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You may have noticed that I have now fitted and painted a back scene to this section of the layout, curving round to the right of the castle, and a side scene board butting upto the original end of the Glen Ogle baseboard.
This picture gives a better view of the nearly finished models, this picture was taken before the curved back scene board was painted the fetching sky blue I used from the emulsion tester pots I used. The church has now been clad with corrugated iron sides and roof, leaving the tower in rendered stone. The school has been clad in plasticard stone with a scribed thin paper-card roof to represent slate tiles as I did with my original attempt at the first church, now the village hall in rendered stone, and card roof.
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There's still plenty to do, but I thought you might be needing a Glen Ogle fix to get you through the weekend.
Tarah for now,
Brian T.
The Glen Ogle extension now known as Brigadoon has had a little scenery addition in the form of a builders foam mountain side planted along the scenery divide at the baseboard joint.
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Before squirting the foam, I spread some cling film across any area I did not want the foam to stick to, and placed two small spray cans, wrapped in cling film, in the two holes through the scenery former divide on the track, to form tunnels through the set foam for the trains to pass through.
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When the foam had set, the two spray cans were pulled clear leaving nicely formed tunnels in place.
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I then set about carving the in-situ foam using my reciprocating saw and a hacksaw blade to form the contours of the hill side.
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St. Fillans church was placed just to get a feel of the size of available space now the ground had been covered in foam, the piece of spur track, originally intended to be a branch down to the village of Killin on Loch Tay, has been lifted, and the curved back-scene temporarily removed, to give access for cutting the foam to the rear of the layout.
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The remainder of the village buildings were placed randomly, again as I am still unsure how they will be used to depict the village scene,
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It should look a little less alpine when I've hidden the foam under a more scenic colour, perhaps trimmed a little more of the foam away, and maybe, reinstated the branch spur, we will have to see.
I have had another TIA, (A small stroke), and I am tiring very quickly, so please bare with me for the small updates I am posting.
Regards,
BrianT.
Looks good, Brian. When I first saw your foam I was reminded of John de Fraysinet's 'meringue' technique for bulk forests, but it turned out to be rocks instead...
Take it easy. - don't overdo things. We're happy to wait for more!
David.
Hello David, thank you for your continued interest in the Glen Ogle saga, I wish I had the skills, and the apparent available money of John to model at his quality, but we do our best with what available skills I can muster :D, and it does help to keep being encouraged by visitors to my scribing's.
I think the next 009 magazine episode is coming up in next months print if you have been following the story.
I wish there were someone local who could share my lonely furrow and feed the horse, :( the reigns are chaffing my hands ::).
Kind regards,
BrianT.
The village of Brigadoon has had the council employed tarmac layers put down a layer of wet and dry in the village square, hopefully this will save the many visitors vehicles from getting bogged down in the mud, churned up by the railway contractors as they worked to re-instate the short spur of set track line, put in to feed the line intended to link the village of Killin in the Mk 1 version of the layout, with the original Callendar and Oban line. This has been laid with new Peco 009 main line rail and ballasted with the local granite used on the rest of the layout. The snow covered hillside has now disappeared under a covering of grey tinted poly filler as an interim measure to the final scenicising of this part of the layout.
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Offcuts from the shaping of the foam forming the hillside behind the village to the left of Brigadoon, have been glued to the curved back scene to form a start of the hillside to the distance beyond.
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To accommodate this sliver of scenery, the track around the rear of the castle has been re-aligned slightly to give a greater distance between the back scene and the Sea water loch and castle. The repositioned track has been newly ballasted, but the track shoulders have yet to have the greenery reinstated. This will be done as part of the finishing to the foam rocks.
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The still unfinished village buildings have been laid on the newly laid tarmac, and a clearance test train propelled around to make sure that this very small and valuable piece of real estate can accommodate all this infrastructure. Luckily, at the behest of Rev Mc Tut, no trains will be allowed on the Sabbath, so services will not be disturbed, but during the week, the three trains a day will provide some interest to the pupils in the nearby primary school, and I have no doubt many half pennies will be flattened under the wheels of passing rolling stock, and passed off at the local sweetie shop in the hopes of getting two sticks of liquorice and a bag of kali rather than the one that it's true worth should purchase.
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The school boundary will require a substantial fence to protect the children as they reach across the intervening space to place there half pennies.
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The view through the village square towards the castle, is only occasionally blocked by passing trains, and I recon the villagers can live with that to get a fairly regular transport facility to the metropolis of Callendar back down the line through Glen Ogle, and the influx of visitors to the newly discovered castle recently placed on the map of Scotland. ;D
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Well that's enough of the fairy stories for tonight.
Regards,
BrianT.
More work carried out on the Glen Ogle Brigadoon extension. The scene has had a makeover starting by a change of water colour from summer blue to a more peaty brown.
The rocks surrounding the sea loch have had a little colour added and a sprinkling of greenery.
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The Loch water has had a coat of clear varnish applied, with a stippling of green into the drying varnish around the bank sides.
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The village buildings have had a dry brushing of colour to tone down there pristine finish.
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A start has been made on the tunnel mouth leading to the village, but until the glue dries, I am unable to apply a facing of Das scribed stone which will be my preferred method of finishing it, I will then need to cut away the foam surrounding the exit to fit it in place before finally blending it in.
Regards,
BrianT.
Trains on the Sabbath - I should certainly hope not!
David.
Well it would seem that the Reverend McTut has had his way with train scheduling, and no trains will ever pass through Brigadoon on the Sabbath, and looking at this view of the church in the Friday evening sunshine, not many church goers will either.
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In fact the whole village looks pretty much deserted, perhaps its true that Brigadoon does only come alive every one hundred years.
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On his last visit to the site, Major Marindon was critical of the lack of fencing to the railway property, a Board of Trade requirement, and threatened to delay the opening of the line on the due date. Because of the loss of revenue this would inevitably lead to, the Laird, a major shareholder in the new narrow gauge conglomerate, met with the church elders and the primary school headmaster, to agree on a suitable fence around church and school, and he undertook to buy the fencing, and arrange contractors through his board position to erect the fencing when they came to fence off the remainder of the railways property.
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Catalogues were perused to find suitable fencing, and pricing, and all the selected items were chosen from the same company, who incidentally manufactured the earlier acquisition of the Bow string bridge, were laid out on the boardroom table, which just happened to be holding the boards latest executive toy, a new test track to check the running qualities of long stored models, ready for an outing to Mansfield later in the year.
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Post and wire for the countryside track.
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Substantial post and rail for the school playground.
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And a more genteel iron, looped top fence, for the church.
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While no one was looking, my two year old Grandson, Jacob, ambled into the board room and proceeded to test the executive toy.
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You might be interested in the grey box Jacob is fiddling with. I first put this together forty years ago to run a rabbit layout that I exhibited at the Easter, York Model Railway exhibition. It contains three transformers for layout power, one at rectified 12v DC. with that transformer powered through a mains lighting dimmer, the second an 18v AC output to power the point motors through a home made capacitor discharge module, and the third is again a 12v output that originally powered a second train control, but will now power the auxiliary models and features as required on Glen Ogle. The white knob is the stripped out interior of the dimmer switch. This offers superb control of all the loco's, and I now have no need to resort to the Gaugemasters I had been using until I decided to resurrect and try out this old home made version once again.
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The test track and controller will be visiting the next South Yorkshire Group meet if anyone wants to play.
Regards,
BrianT.
It's Sunday on the Glen Ogle layout, the village of Brigadoon has had a good turnout for the morning service and now suitably invigorated by the Reverend McTut's words, they stream out of the church and make there way home. Most of the ladies have stayed behind to discus the forthcoming events in the church calendar, while the men hurry to the nearby hostelry to quench there thirst. The Reverend McTut has offered thanks from the congregation to the Laird, for his gift of new railings for the church and adjacent school.
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The school is closed, but the local residents are using the bench outside to take in the sun seeing as the gate is open, and are having a conversation with other passing residents. The caretaker of the village hall, Andrew McMuckle has just opened up the hall ready to get the building ready for tonight's Cailie, he likes to get to the hall early to switch the heaters and the water boiler on or the residents who will be attending will grumble.
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The railway management have applied to the Reverend McTut and the village elders for dispensation from the normally rigorously enforced Sunday ban on train movements through the village on the Sabbath. They gave the need to clear the line of debrie from a small rock fall just the other side of Brigadoon where the line enters a cutting, before the Monday start of services, as the reason for asking for the Sunday ban dispensation.
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The weather is being kind to the volunteers who have boarded the single coach conveying them to the rock fall site, and the sea lock is as still as a millpond with the bridge being reflected in the water.
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I think that very nearly brings to an end the development of the village of Brigadoon. From the original depiction of the Forestry commissions wholesale planting of Fir trees, that originally covered the scenic side of this 24 inch (600mm) square board, whose sole function was to do away with a fiddle yard, and return trains to the other end of the layout thus making it a continuous run, into an additional scene to add interest to the Glen Ogle layout. This depiction, while in no way real in actuality as far as the history of the original Calendar and Oban railway is concerned, gets around my dislike of the end to end running that the original concept of building the Glen Ogle Viaduct had at first forced on me.
There will no doubt be further additions to this little layout at sometime in the future, but I hope anyone who has been following my ramblings, has found some enjoyment in my methods and there outcome.
Kind regards,
BrianT.
Thoroughly entertaining and instructive!