Joeuf Coffee Grinder.

[Stefan Krebs]

The outside frame kit is from Nonneminstre and still available:

DECAUVILLE 0-4-0 OUTSIDE FRAME UPGRADE KIT

An outside frame upgrade kit for the classic Jouef and Eggerbahn Decauville model. Etched brass with whitemetal details.   £22.50

http://www.nonneminstre.co.uk/4mm-narrow-gauge.php

It doesn't come with the Nebukadnezar-size bottle of valerian extra strong needed to put it together. It's not in the shake-the-box class of kits either.


Cheers
Waldschrat

[Stephen Rainsbury]

It doesn't come with the Nebukadnezar-size bottle of valerian extra strong needed to put it together. It's not in the shake-the-box class of kits either.

That looks nice, but one heck of a challenge and will need the extra large bench magnifier. Imagine dropping a small bit from that  :)

I like the idea, but want to see if the motor refurb is going to give good results over the next few months before spending any more it, but it would solve the problem of what colour to paint the chassis  ;)

[Stephen Rainsbury]

Currently 2 sets in the bay of 2nd hand with 3 days to go:
GEM model railways OO-9 narrow gauge & industrial loco fittings
Order No. 9104

I just noticed that Dundas do them for £5 and I am about to put and order in, so better not bid more that £2 as its £3 P&P :)

[B.Meldon]

The outside frame kit is from Nonneminstre and still available:

DECAUVILLE 0-4-0 OUTSIDE FRAME UPGRADE KIT

An outside frame upgrade kit for the classic Jouef and Eggerbahn Decauville model. Etched brass with whitemetal details.   £22.50

http://www.nonneminstre.co.uk/4mm-narrow-gauge.php

It doesn't come with the Nebukadnezar-size bottle of valerian extra strong needed to put it together. It's not in the shake-the-box class of kits either.


Cheers
Waldschrat

Thanks, I should have known about its continued availaibility. Yes it is not an easy kit, but it is better than some others.
However my previous comments stand:
I would strongly recomend using the 1980's version of the chassis not the 1960's/70's version.
The 1980's version has a five pole skew wound can motor, better pickups and it runs a lot better than the older version.
It is just my opinion but I do not think it is worth spending time or money on the older versions, other than for a collection.

Brian Meldon

[Stefan Krebs]

... or kitbashing.   :laugh:


like fitting a chassis with the correct wheelbase and wheel diameter.  :laugh:


Cheers
Waldschrat

[Hobby]

like fitting a chassis with the correct wheelbase and wheel diameter.  :laugh:

An extremely rare bird in 009 modelling circles... ;)

[Stephen Rainsbury]

I would strongly recomend using the 1980's version of the chassis not the 1960's/70's version.
The 1980's version has a five pole skew wound can motor, better pickups and it runs a lot better than the older version.
It is just my opinion but I do not think it is worth spending time or money on the older versions, other than for a collection.

That's the one with red wheels isn't it? I don't think I have ever seen one on eBay. I have been talking to Sven at Transfabriek about a 3D block for mounting his motors which would be around £30 all in.

I have overspent on Railways a bit for the last few months so anything that costs more than a few quid is going to have to take a back burner for a bit, having said that I won a bundle on eBay tonight that included another Loco, with a roof!  The whole bundle was £30 including the Loco, three matching tipper trucks, some Lima wagons and a bag of other bits, so assuming its all good I am happy with that.

That's three Locos now, 5 bodies and one roof!! I only noticed in your article today that the roof was a separate moulding which might explain why the rest didn't have one  ;)

[paul ludlow]

Is it not time for Bachmann, heljan or minitrains to take up the challenge and produce a new correct 4mm scale version, with outside frames. I'm sure they would sell well. Even if most of the purchases were for pure nostalgia! 🤔

[Stephen Rainsbury]

Is it not time for Bachmann, heljan or minitrains to take up the challenge and produce a new correct 4mm scale version

It could be quite a range withe several locos and quite a bit of stock, but would probably sell best in Europe so might well be H0e.

[B.Meldon]

In reality the 3-ton Decauville locos are tiny. The Bush H0f model is about the right size body for H0 scale, however it is not 100% correct and wheelbase is too long so they could use a variation of their standard H0f chassis, obviously it is also 7.5mm gauge not 9mm gauge. (Decauville did make some 500mm gauge versions.) It is a very small model indeed and would probably look out of place next to most other H0e and 009 locos and stock:


(Originating web page: https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/Field+railway/Field+railway+locomotives/Busch%2D12141/gb/modell_279207.html )

Here is a link to a poor photo of one of the larger versions, I am not sure if this is a 5-ton or a 7-ton and I do not have a drawing, but it is obviously larger than the 3-ton version. Sadly, none survive of the larger versions, or at least none that I know about.


(Originating web page: https://www.alamy.com/couillet-decauville-type-1-nouveau-modle-image261202310.html )

My guess would be that Jouef based their model on a better version of this exact photo. (But I could be wrong?)

Brian Meldon

[Stephen Rainsbury]

In reality the 3-ton Decauville locos are tiny. The Bush H0f model is about the right size body for H0 scale, however it is not 100% correct and wheelbase is too long so they could use a variation of their standard H0f chassis, obviously it is also 7.5mm gauge not 9mm gauge. (Decauville did make some 500mm gauge versions.) It is a very small model indeed and would probably look out of place next to most other H0e and 009 locos and stock:

I have been looking at source material and quite like the photo below as it shows exactly how small the were, especially when compared to the Tin Turtle behind it, although I agree it could look odd compared to other stock.



I have several 3.5/4mm scale figures that I might try as drivers just to see what they look like, but will have to be careful as passengers in their coaches (if I use them) will have to be 3.5mm or they won't fit. The one that comes with it although to scale can look a but like the work experience student compared to other 009 stock.

[paul ludlow]

I'd buy one. Good looking little gem, would go well with my 20hp simplex & de Winton 4 wheel vbt! 😄

[BernardH44]

Complaints about the "Coffee-Grinder" of the Jouef model are I think arise from the gears from motor to layshaft. On two chassis I have replace these with pulleys and a belt from Nigel Lawton. This is much quieter than the gear system. The added advantage is much lower gearing, the models drive at ~7--> 8 volts for a scale speed and will really crawl along at a lower voltage, with a flywheel-like effect.
If I remember correctly, I used a 1.7mm root pulley on the motor driving to a 9mm pulley on the layshaft, using a 10mm belt. No chassis modifications were necessary, there is just enough room for a 9mm pulley instead of the layshaft gear, with the belt down in the groove. One could also use an 8mm pulley, but check Nigel's sizing chart for correct belt tension.

Bernard

[JulienW]

One note of caution with the belt drives - I have a few locos that use these but that do not see much use, and in my experience if the locos are left unused for any appreciable length of time the belts can take on a (semi?) permanent  'set' to the teardrop shape of being stretched around the pulleys, so I've taken to slipping the belt off before putting the locos away to prolong their life.

[Stephen Rainsbury]

Complaints about the "Coffee-Grinder" of the Jouef model are I think arise from the gears from motor to layshaft. On two chassis I have replace these with pulleys and a belt from Nigel Lawton. This is much quieter than the gear system.

Thats is very useful to know, I will investigate.

I've taken to slipping the belt off before putting the locos away to prolong their life.

That is also very interesting to know.

Thanks Gents, I have three of these now all in various states of repair, but that is an avenue I hadn't considered. I might even trying fitting a coreless motor instead.

Stephen