52 Years of Jouef H0e Part 1

[Malcolm]

Brian
Many thanks for covering the Jouef locos. 
I've now had an opportunity to take a close look at the Craig and Mertonford Railway's Jouef namely No.2 'Joan'.  Thanks to your article I conclude that as 'Joan' is a black wheeled loco, has a chimney with a well formed lower lip and with thin section side tanks which, surprise surprise, are not distorted in any way, she must date from about 1967.
Judging by what you say in your article about the possible influence of the lay shaft Arnold Mk1 chassis I will have to rearrange the historic order of the CMR loco fleet.  I had thought 'Joan' was an earlier loco than the two Arnold Mk1 chassis locos 'Calum' and 'Colin' which you may recall from previous postings are still in full working order.  However one thing I do not think I have mentioned previously is that one of the Arnolds is reverse polarity.  Is that usual?
Malcolm

[Hobby]

The thread for part 1 was in the Locomotive section, Malcolm! Perhaps we should have a "News" section to avoid confusion!!

http://www.009society.com/forum/index.php?topic=3875.0

[B.Meldon]

A Jouef chassis with black wheels would date between 1967 and 1972. (It was only the very first production run in 1967 that had the red wheels.)
The body with the flat sides and no raised name plate would date from 1966 to c1969.
The flaired lower lip on the chimney was only on a very small number of the first locos made in 1967, not even all the red wheel locos have them, it is quite unusual and I have only seen it two or three times.

If you look on the inside of the plastic body if the green plastic is almost the same colour as the original outside it dates from late 1967 to c1969, if it is a darker green, almost black, then it is the early 1967 body.

Yes the Arnold chassis with the lay shaft pre-date the Jouef locos, they were first made in 1963. These are known as 'Series 0' chassis.
These 'Series 0' Arnold chassis were replaced in the mid 1960's with the 'Series 1' chassis that had no lay shaft.

As well as a lay shaft 'Series 0' chassis have a metal lower retaining plate and a stright cut gear on the motor shaft, 'Series 1' chassis have no layshaft, a plastic lower retaining plate and a worm gear on the motor shaft.
I am not sure of the exact date the change was made, but it was in the mid 1960's. They were certainly the later 'Series 1' chassis by 1967.

Obvioulsy PDH may have purchased second hand or new old stock N gauge locos with the earlier chassis.

In regards to the direction of running all the 'Series 0' Arnold chassis I have seen all run in the normal direction, ie + positive right hand rail = forwards, or at least they do before the mazac chassis block falls apart! It would not be easy to change the motor polatity unless the motor is in the chassis up side down, but then the electrical contacts are only on one side of the brush mounting section of the motor. One thought i did have was that it could be a 'Series 1' motor in a 'Series 0' chassis with the worm gear changed?

Brian Meldon

[Malcolm]

Brian
I am just going out so I do not have time to examine the locos just now but will reply later today.  Many thanks for access to your encyclopedic brain.
Blair
I thought there was a thread already but what this wrong section posting highlights is just how useless the search facility is!!!
Malcolm

[B.Meldon]

Brian
I am just going out so I do not have time to examine the locos just now but will reply later today.  Many thanks for access to your encyclopedic brain.

No problem, I am more than happy to help.

That said it is not all in my head, I do need to look at my notes as well!

In fact, that is one reason I started the Egger articles, simply to get the info all together and in the public domain.
It was when Dave Brewer, who was an avid Egger collector with great knowledge of the brand and its products passed away taking all his knowledge with him that I realised that something needed to be done to ensure the information I had was in print for all to see.
It was also an exercise in collating all the information I had together in a series or coherent articles rather than it all being somewhat fragmented.
That said the Egger-bahn story was quite difficult compared to Jouef that was quite easy.

As always, I am also very happy to get any corrections or additions to the info I have.

Brian Meldon

[Malcolm]

TO AVOID CONFUSION NOW MOVED TO 52 YEARS OF JOUEF H0e PART 1 IN THE LOCOMOTIVE SECTION OF THIS FORUM

http://www.009society.com/forum/index.php?topic=3875.0

Malcolm