Here are a few photos of a 009 steam railmotor which I loosely based on a standard gauge prototype from the Nitrate Railways in Chile. The model was built using parts of the much reviled P*g kit (whisper the word), and half a Mantua H0 coach. The original is a rigid 0-4-4 with a rear bogie. The model has a front bogie built as an idler. It incorporates various parts by Farish, Jouef, Minitrains and Minitrix. The power is in the rear bogie under the saloon. It was made from a cut down Fleischmann 0-4-0 and fitted with scratchbuilt bogie frames. The prototype has what I suspect is an inside frame loco bogie, but this would have been far too unstable on a narrow gauge vehicle.
Some detail still has to be added, like widow panes, and some weathering is necessary, but otherwise it's complete.
As a sideline, a story was spun of a dictator in a little known Latin American country, about a century ago, who travels by his own steam railmotor. Hence the name 'Coronel Lopez'.
The prototype:
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The model:
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Beautiful model Ted and very well executed.
Quote from: tedp on November 25, 2011, 19:53
The model was built using parts of the much reviled P*g kit (whisper the word)
Being relatively new to the modelling scene, I am bemused by the constant negative references to Pugs. What is it that these Pugs have done in a former life (or indeed this one) to cause such offence? The problem is so bad that the more extreme elements in our society have taken to targeting these poor unfortunates by indulging in the deeply offensive and anti-social practice of Pugbashing. Were I a locomotive rights barrister, I would want to draw attention to their social plight and the Pugism from which these highly distasteful attitudes originate.
Could somebody please explain?
Well, it is not an institutionalized attitude. What is the first thing you see here?
http://www.009society.com/ (http://www.009society.com/) :)
Could it be a Pug, peut-
Basically I think not everyone agrees to the use of the Pug kit in serious modelling. That is a question of opinion, and I won't criticise anyone who thinks different.
My opinion is that kitbashing has a place in 009 modelling as it fills a gap between the entry level (RTR models) and scratchbuilding. Although I wouldn't want to compare the merits of a freelance kitbash to a precision moulded or even a brass built scale model, I don't hesitate to operate them side by side on my layout. Generally it is the paint finish of a model that makes or breaks it, and I devote as much attention to painting a kitbashed model as to painting a scale one. ;)
Freelance body shell bash (left) compared to scale styrene model (right):
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Quote from: tedp on November 26, 2011, 13:30
Basically I think not everyone agrees to the use of the Pug kit in serious modelling. That is a question of opinion, and I won't criticise anyone who thinks different.
This suggests that a Pug is not considered a serious model. Is there a reason for that?
P.S. Unfortunately I shan't be able to get to Wigan to see Rae Bridge, much to my disappointment. Will you be attending any other shows in the UK in 2012 at all?
There is a school of modellers that doesn't consider a Pugbash a serious model. It's a difference of opinion, similar to the one of scale vs. freelance, or must one fit outside frames to every model of an outside frame prototype. I for myself don't mind so much. My first succesful home-built loco was a pugbash. The second was made of 1mm ply and card, with brass fittings.
The Pug is a Lancashire & Yorkshire standard gauge shunting loco that can be considered similar to a medium-size 2'3" or 2'6" gauge saddle tank. Probably an 0-6-0 or an 0-4-2. It is too large for 2ft gauge and most Welsh prototypes. If you use the kit as it is you have fair rivet detail, but also the moulded-on handrails and other drawbacks of plastic kits. The mouldings are inferior to those by a modern plastic kit producer like Parkside Dundas. They are a short-cut however for an entry level modeller who will have difficulty enough in getting a loco body level on a chassis, without having to worry about learning how to solder brass components. Even top level modellers have used the kit to produce a very detailed model. Look at 'Volunteer' by Curious Orange on the NGRM forum. http://www.ngrm-online.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1594&p=68534#p68534 (http://www.ngrm-online.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1594&p=68534#p68534)
My first Pugbash was ruined by a bad repaint, and replaced by two better ones. I still run them over the C&DR and when I see one of them approach at scale speed, from an eye-level viewpoint, the fact they are entry-level models doesn't bother me. You can see the entire loco roster on my website at http://www.009dutch.nl/cdr/ (http://www.009dutch.nl/cdr/) so you can compare them to newer models.
If you cannot make Wigan, consider Tonbridge in February. ;)
Coronel Lopez
Today I completed the Nitrate Railways railmotor, adding windows to the saloon, balance weights to the wheels, weathering some of the model, and converting and painting figures. The crew is 4 or 5, depending on the view below:
The Coronel's saloon making its way through the Cordillera:
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A side view on one of the numerous viaducts:
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Coronel Lopez in his dramatic uniform. It holds the middle between that of Hermann Goering and the one used by another unsavoury character, recently deposed. To the left is his equally unsavoury bodyguard, Antonio el Mestizo, carrying his long rifle and cartridge belt. Both the Colonel and Antonio were converted from ordinary 4mm figures by adding paper belts and various details. The rifle was made up from a piece of wire and a bit of plastic. The Colonel has paper shoulder pads and a lead pistol holster.
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And here is El Asesor Gringo, the foreign adviser, sitting precariously on the edge of the footplate.
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This then concludes the story of Coronel Lopez, a not-too-serious Pugbash project! ;D
"What is it that these Pugs have done in a former life (or indeed this one) to cause such offence?"
When fishes flew and forests walked and figs grew upon thorns, some moment when the Pug was born............ was even before I was old enough to become an international sex symbol!
Since that fateful moment, the poor old L&Y Pug has been butchered by 009ers; each forlornly hoping that the end result will look like a narrow gauge locomotive. The poor creatures have been mounted on a great variety of cheap nasty chassis and are usually painted with non drip gloss using a squeegee mop.
Wherever they are seen, they are instantly recognisable as a tortured L&Y Pug and for the most part finally disappear into oblivion. A few serious modellers (such as TedP) have also been unable to resist Pug abuse. I suspect that their motive is to attempt to show that Pug abuse is socially acceptable, perhaps due to a better coat of paint.
A Pug is a Pug is a Pug is a Pug.............. and will whatever is done, NEVER look like a convincing NG locomotive. It does however show to what lengths of depravity some will stoop. The whole sorry saga is a national disgrace and yet we have the hypocricy to criticise the Spanish for allowing bull fighting. I hope that we can raise sufficient money to finance a charity where butchered Pugs can be put to sleep painlessly.
Rhobat, should you decide to crusade for the cause of protecting Pugs from such abuse, I shall be right behind you in your legalistic endeavours. You might also consider helping to protect pizzas.
It does go to show that freelance locomotives should remain within the realm of individual modellers and not become ubiquitous throughout the 009 scene. Next target is the Varikit.
best
JdF
Please don't get him started on Pizzas.... ;D
Quote from: GraemeD on November 26, 2011, 08:31
Well, it is not an institutionalized attitude. What is the first thing you see here?
http://www.009society.com/ (http://www.009society.com/) :)
Many thanks Graeme. I had no input to the re-vamp of the 009 website so when I first saw the 'new look' and discovered that the photo of old No 7 with the L&TR ballast train had been used on the introduction page I was very surprised, delighted and deeply honoured.
And secondly, that's an excellent inspection saloon Ted; well done! This is very reminiscent of the style, quality and imaginative work by John Allen of Gorre & Daphetid fame and also goes to prove what dear Don Boreham used to say - "there's no point in building freelance models because there's so much incredible material available on the prototype." Or words to that effect.
Perhaps the L&TR needs a Director's Saloon...
Quote from: pilotfriend on November 30, 2011, 10:18
...Wherever they are seen, they are instantly recognisable as a tortured L&Y Pug and for the most part finally disappear into oblivion. A few serious modellers (such as TedP) have also been unable to resist Pug abuse. I suspect that their motive is to attempt to show that Pug abuse is socially acceptable, perhaps due to a better coat of paint....
...The whole sorry saga is a national disgrace and yet we have the hypocricy to criticise the Spanish for allowing bull fighting. I hope that we can raise sufficient money to finance a charity where butchered Pugs can be put to sleep painlessly....
So the next charity you will subscribe to is the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Pugs? ;D ;D ;D
Now how about a Varikit...? Hmmmm.... :P
Obviously my time is very stretched helping to prevent damage and cruelty to Pizzas. I am hoping that Rhobat will selflessly campaign for the poor old Pug.
The back bit of the inspector's saloon is very nice BTW.
JdF ;D
Thanks for the kind words about the back end of the saloon ... send me your Peckett and I'll do a brass Pugbash replica for you - I've got the other half of the Mantua coach still waiting on the workbench!
Sorry for poking fun at you, John - no offence meant.
Greetings from the Coronel! ;)
Don't apologise for taking the piss, my friend. I enjoy it.
What a hideous life, having a coach grafted onto one's backside! Almost as bad as having a second tender grafted onto one's face! :o
best
John
Referring back to post no.1 in this thread I think Ted has done a remarkable job capturing the essence of the prototype shown (unless that is a fake too).
He is amongst good company in inventing a fake train for a non-existent bit of railway that nonetheless has some link to reality.
Quote from: pilotfriend on November 30, 2011, 10:18
"What is it that these Pugs have done in a former life (or indeed this one) to cause such offence?"
When fishes flew and forests walked and figs grew upon thorns, some moment when the Pug was born............ was even before I was old enough to become an international sex symbol!
Since that fateful moment, the poor old L&Y Pug has been butchered by 009ers; each forlornly hoping that the end result will look like a narrow gauge locomotive. The poor creatures have been mounted on a great variety of cheap nasty chassis and are usually painted with non drip gloss using a squeegee mop.
At last I understand the bone of contention at work on this and other fora.
Quote from: pilotfriend on November 30, 2011, 10:18
Rhobat, should you decide to crusade for the cause of protecting Pugs from such abuse, I shall be right behind you in your legalistic endeavours.
If substantiated, the accusation that Pugbashing causes either serious and lasting harm to the Pug in question, or at least fear of immediate and personal violence, would indeed be a serious matter. However evidence from the Pugs themselves would have to be attested in order to proceed with this matter and that at all times there was no collusion in the aforementioned acts. Unfortunately it would be difficult to argue, given the evidence of Mr Polet, that these results were achieved without the cooperation of the Pug. It can be argued that the quality of the results, attested to by a number of independent character witnesses, could not have been achieved without the full cooperation of the Pug concerned. Therefore I am unable to act further on this matter. Should a Pug be willing to produce a witness statement outlining the nature of the alleged abuse and would be willing to face cross-examination on that statement in a court of law, then of course I would be willing to reconsider my opinion.
In the meantime, I shall be engaged on research in another field, namely economics and business studies, the title of my thesis being the supply of 009 chassises to the narrow gauge market and its impact on product pricing.
Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Good New Year! :)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I rest my case. Guilty as charged! :o ;)
Quote from: Rhobat Bryn on December 06, 2011, 15:07
Unfortunately it would be difficult to argue, given the evidence of Mr Polet, that these results were achieved without the cooperation of the Pug.
Have you never seen a Pug held down by force whilst its extremities have been cut away, piece by piece, with a sharp knife... and in some cases set about, whilst held in a cruel cold hard vice-like grip, with a razor saw....
Shouldn't be allowed... :o
Mine screamed. :o
Quote from: Hobby on December 07, 2011, 09:41
Have you never seen a Pug held down by force whilst its extremities have been cut away, piece by piece, with a sharp knife... and in some cases set about, whilst held in a cruel cold hard vice-like grip, with a razor saw....
Shouldn't be allowed... :o
Quote from: tedp on December 07, 2011, 09:51
Mine screamed. :o
This is all very well gentlemen but, whilst I agree that your evidence is compelling, no Pug has actually been forthcoming in registering a complaint or making an accusation. People involve themselves in all manner of strange practices in the privacy of their own homes. What Pugs do in the privacy of their own sheds is no different and remains a private matter unless they choose to make it public.
Quote from: Rhobat Bryn on December 07, 2011, 10:30no Pug has actually been forthcoming in registering a complaint or making an accusation.
Thats because they are steam engines and speak through their chimneys and whistles... But these bullies stick an electric motor inside them, normally of foreign origin, and they can't work out how to talk using the new propulsion system...
Isn't this getting just a little silly! ;D
Quote from: Hobby on December 07, 2011, 12:50
Isn't this getting just a little silly! ;D
Well, it is Christmas. Always a good excuse for doing silly things. ;)
"these bullies stick an electric motor inside them, normally of foreign origin, and they can't work out how to talk using the new propulsion system..."
Makes them sound like Stephen Hawking.
Hope the RSPCA (or the Kennel Club) doesn't pick up this thread!
Quote from: Hobby on December 07, 2011, 09:41
Quote from: Rhobat Bryn on December 06, 2011, 15:07
Unfortunately it would be difficult to argue, given the evidence of Mr Polet, that these results were achieved without the cooperation of the Pug.
Have you never seen a Pug held down by force whilst its extremities have been cut away, piece by piece, with a sharp knife... and in some cases set about, whilst held in a cruel cold hard vice-like grip, with a razor saw....
Mine was quite happy about it. You have to make sure the anesthetic is suitable before starting. The new (in 1978!) Roco chassis allowed it to move around the layout instead of its other fate of being stuffed and mounted in a display case, especially after I'd fitted a pair of phosphor-bronze pick-ups to the centre wheels. It also appreciated the face-lift afforded by the removal of moulded handrails & replacement with wire, new tank-filler, whistle, lead weights, etc etc...
Well Ted I liked all of the beast :-[. Cheers john.
Thanks, John - it was a pleasure building it. Glad you like it. Merry Christmas.