I am planning a narrow gauge connection to an Ind. town where NG wagons will pick up larger ones from the main line. Does it give a chassis for this purpose ?.
There are a few options for transporter wagons. Or at least I think that is what you need?
Liliput make one that looks like this:
(https://directoryproductimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/L291907_1046225_Qty1_ruler.jpg)
Bemo make 'rollblocks' that are another method of transporting SG wagons by suporting the axles, they look like this:
(https://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/article_data/images/37/27303_e.jpg)
There used to be a Center Models 009 kit for the Leek and Manifold transporter wagon, but these are set for the larger EM gauge of 18mm and can not be narrowed to 16.5mm.
Many years ago now Jack Carter and myself tried to get a working system where the SG wagons could be loaded onto the Liliput transporter wagons and then taken along the 009 (H0e). We gave up in the end! The main issues were holding the SG wagon in place on the transporter and also uncoupling the SG wagon without manual intervention. We just ended up by fixing standard gauge wagons onto the transporters. However, I have seen it done, but it takes a lot of work.
It is also worth mentioning that the Liliput transporter wagons are not very free running as they have six wheel bogies with inside bearings, they are also limited to larger radius curves. We replaced these bogies with Egger-bahn log bolsters with Roco wheels and extended couplings. The Egger log bolsters have more rounded corners that allows them to turn more than Roco ones, but even then we needed to file the corners a bit to get them to turn enough between the 16.6mm rails on the wagon. We also had to cut down the wheel flanges on the 00 wagons to clear the corners of the bogies! These wagons are used on Westdorf with its 12-inch curves and 18-inch reverse curves. There is a transfer siding with a sunken 009 track, but as mentioned the SG wagons are just fixed to the transporters. The 1 in 30 grades also limits us to one transporter wagon in each 'up' train of six H0e bogie wagons.
Further to Brian's message above whilst I have not tried it myself I would have thought that the 'rollblocks' might be easier to operate in the model world assuming that they work much like the real thing in supporting the axles of the standard gauge, with the standard gauge wagons being loaded & unloaded from the narrow gauge by ramps.
Thank you
Good morning Brian, Thank you for your interesting letter. Do you have any pics or drwgs relating to your last paragraph.
Quote from: 9380IPIT on May 29, 2024, 05:18Good morning Brian, Thank you for your interesting letter. Do you have any pics or drwgs relating to your last paragraph.
Yes!
ST Models are doing a L&M transporter wagon.
The SG item will have to be to P4 standards by looks of things.
https://stmodels.sumupstore.com/product/l-and-m-long-transporter-wagon
Quote from: cnw6847 on May 29, 2024, 11:20ST Models are doing a L&M transporter wagon.
The SG item will have to be to P4 standards by looks of things.
https://stmodels.sumupstore.com/product/l-and-m-long-transporter-wagon
P4 is 18.83mm gauge with very thin wheel flanges.
Quote from: 9380IPIT on May 28, 2024, 06:48I am planning a narrow gauge connection to an Ind. town where NG wagons will pick up larger ones from the main line. Does it give a chassis for this purpose ?.
I am currently doing a freelance layout with transporter wagons, I did have some 3D printed ones where the wagons can be rolled on and off but they weren't suitable in the end as for my layout I need to be able to motorise the standard gauge wagons and run them on and off (the spine in the middle didn't allow clearance for the drive gear). Currently I'm building my own and experimenting with various designs. So the key question is: are you planning to actually run them on and off or will they stay permanently on the transporters?
I did my own transporter wagon for Avyn-A-Llyin, modelled on the shorted L&M wagon. The link shows the test track working with a motorised wagon, using the Hi level kit which isn't available now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyrKbpIdDwk . The wagon is to P$ standard to enable the transporter wagon bogies to rotate and get round 12" radius curves. This is being incorporated onto the new board for my layout.
Regards
Andy
There was also a 9mm transporter wagon produced by Bemo or Liliput ? with 6 wheel bogies
We could not run them as a pair on our Loch Ewe layout, points needed to be larger radius, but as a single wagon, you could just about do it with scale speed shunting, into sidings.
Not the best idea, we ever had.
Stan.
Available in your local online shop 😉
Liliput L291911 ZB transporter wagon – The 009 Society (https://009society.com/news/shop/second-hand-sales/h0e-stock/h0-rolling-stock/liliput-l291911-zb-transporter-wagon-2/)