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Modelling => Electrics and Control => Topic started by: Chris Veitch on September 12, 2010, 13:41

Title: What are these jacks called?
Post by: Chris Veitch on September 12, 2010, 13:41
I have an old (but good) AGW power unit from around 1980. It has 1 x 12V DC and 1 x 16V AC outputs on the back. These are holes of about 3.5mm in a sheet of laminate insulator which take "split-pin" type connectors. The original connectors were lost years ago and I currently use - well, cut down split pins. The ideal minimum diameter of the pin seems to be 3.0mm.

This isn't elegant and I'd like to use "proper" connectors but there seems nothing suitable in the usual electronics suppliers such as Maplins etc. Does anyone know:

i) What these connectors are called?
ii) Where they can be obtained?

Thanks

Chris
Title: Re: What are these jacks called?
Post by: Graeme Dunbar on September 12, 2010, 13:58
Other than the mention of 3 mm diameter, they sound like 4 mm "banana" plugs as they are very commonly found on "laboratory" power supplies. They come in various designs and some of them do have metal prongs that look like split-pins. Others have a sprung wire running the length of the pin and yet others have metal shim "wings".

Try here:
http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug/125053/kw/banana+plug (http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug/125053/kw/banana+plug)

http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug-to-4mm-straight-socket/400360/kw/banana+plug (http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug-to-4mm-straight-socket/400360/kw/banana+plug)
Title: Re: What are these jacks called?
Post by: Chris Veitch on September 12, 2010, 20:23
Quote from: GraemeD on September 12, 2010, 13:58
Other than the mention of 3 mm diameter, they sound like 4 mm "banana" plugs as they are very commonly found on "laboratory" power supplies. They come in various designs and some of them do have metal prongs that look like split-pins. Others have a sprung wire running the length of the pin and yet others have metal shim "wings".

Try here:
http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug/125053/kw/banana+plug (http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug/125053/kw/banana+plug)

http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug-to-4mm-straight-socket/400360/kw/banana+plug (http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug-to-4mm-straight-socket/400360/kw/banana+plug)

Thanks for that Graeme. I think I've tried these previously and found that they don't fit by a frustratingly small margin. Unfortunately the dimensions seem to be fairly critical and don't allow for much "split" in the split pin. I suspect that whatever AGW used may be a bit arcane and probably obsolete by now, not to mention primitive.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: What are these jacks called?
Post by: JulienW on September 13, 2010, 11:25
Quote from: chrisveitch on September 12, 2010, 20:23
Quote from: GraemeD on September 12, 2010, 13:58
Other than the mention of 3 mm diameter, they sound like 4 mm "banana" plugs as they are very commonly found on "laboratory" power supplies. They come in various designs and some of them do have metal prongs that look like split-pins. Others have a sprung wire running the length of the pin and yet others have metal shim "wings".

Try here:
http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug/125053/kw/banana+plug (http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug/125053/kw/banana+plug)

http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug-to-4mm-straight-socket/400360/kw/banana+plug (http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Single-Pole/4mm-Connectors/4mm-Banana-plug-to-4mm-straight-socket/400360/kw/banana+plug)

Thanks for that Graeme. I think I've tried these previously and found that they don't fit by a frustratingly small margin. Unfortunately the dimensions seem to be fairly critical and don't allow for much "split" in the split pin. I suspect that whatever AGW used may be a bit arcane and probably obsolete by now, not to mention primitive.

Regards,

Chris

Might they be an imperial size?  1/8 th inch is not far off 3 mm (3.175 to be exact) so might that be the issue?

Not sure if I can help finding a source though Chris.  What about making some 'jacks' from 1/8 th" brass rod, or sleeving some babana plugs?
Title: Re: What are these jacks called?
Post by: Graeme Dunbar on September 13, 2010, 15:12
Quote from: chrisveitch on September 12, 2010, 20:23
Thanks for that Graeme. I think I've tried these previously and found that they don't fit by a frustratingly small margin. Unfortunately the dimensions seem to be fairly critical and don't allow for much "split" in the split pin. I suspect that whatever AGW used may be a bit arcane and probably obsolete by now, not to mention primitive.

Regards,

Chris

That's a pity. If you have no luck finding replacement plugs, is replacing the sockets with 4 mm ones a possibility? You'd be sure then that standard "test leads" would fit it.

Failing that.... bare wires and matchsticks!  :o
Title: Re: What are these jacks called?
Post by: Chris Veitch on September 13, 2010, 18:12
Quote from: GraemeD on September 13, 2010, 15:12
Quote from: chrisveitch on September 12, 2010, 20:23
Thanks for that Graeme. I think I've tried these previously and found that they don't fit by a frustratingly small margin. Unfortunately the dimensions seem to be fairly critical and don't allow for much "split" in the split pin. I suspect that whatever AGW used may be a bit arcane and probably obsolete by now, not to mention primitive.

Regards,

Chris

That's a pity. If you have no luck finding replacement plugs, is replacing the sockets with 4 mm ones a possibility? You'd be sure then that standard "test leads" would fit it.

Failing that.... bare wires and matchsticks!  :o

Yes, it's a possibility if I drilled out the rivets holding the case together. But since we're all (mostly) grown-ups it should be OK if I'm careful...

Regards,

Chris

Title: Re: What are these jacks called?
Post by: ian on September 13, 2010, 22:28
H&M used something similar which were called 'Wander Plugs' IIRC. They seem to have disappeared from the market place.
Title: Re: What are these jacks called?
Post by: Graeme Dunbar on September 14, 2010, 14:31
Wow! Well remembered Ian. Typing "wander plug" into Google suggests that vintage radio enthusiasts have similar difficulties finding replacements. Chris is not alone!
Title: Re: What are these jacks called?
Post by: Chris Veitch on September 16, 2010, 19:40
I have an apology to make. I thought I'd tried banana plugs but when raking out all the old bits and pieces and comparing them to the stock in Maplins, it appears that I user the rather posher-looking 4mm plugs (the solid brass ones with the two slits - a bit like 0mm sized collet). I bought a few banana plus and even though they're nominally 4mm they will fit - if you shove them in hard enough - even though the holes are mysteriously all different depths and all the plugs stick out at different angles!

Thanks to everyone anyway...

Chris