First post on here!!
Resurrecting my fathers h0e/009 layout - track has been laid and some limited wiring carried out but incomplete.
I'm considering wether to go DC or DCC (another question to follow) and looking at how to wire peco points/turnouts.
Does anyone have a picture of both peco insulfrog and Electrofrog turnouts showing how/where to solder/wire the frog for connection to point motor and micro switch?
There seems to be lots of (conflicting) info on internet but I'm struggling to find any actual pictures of turnouts plus soldered connections.
Most of the original layout turnouts are 4 inch SLE 492x (now discontinued) with brittle plastic, insulfrog left and Electrofrog right in the picture, compared to new SL-E492 shown left of ruler.
any help or ideas much appreciated!
I run DCC and modified my insulfrog like this (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50658349166_50a52b481c_c.jpg) which means that all the track is powered all the time with just one feed, and no need for microswitches.
You will attract flak from people about using insulfrog points and small 4 wheel locos can stall on them. This is normally because plastic pat of the frog is slightly higher than the metal track, so it is possible for one wheel on a side to ride up on that, lifting the other one up just enough to break contact.
It can be annoying, but it isn't life threatening and for me doesn't happen on all locos. My Roco diesel (like yours) never has a problem, and only one of my Jouef (Decauville) doesn't like it, but the other just sails over them quite oblivious to all the fuss.
My layouts are all tiny so I use insulfrog for the tighter radius, so sorry I can't help with electrofrog.
Others may have a different view on the matter, but I would strongly recommend against using dead frog points on any 009 layout.
If you intend to use the old Egger and Jouef locos from the 1970's then these will almost certainly stall at slow speeds on the plastic section of the dead frog points.
Back in the 1970's Peco made 9-inch radius electrofrong 009 points, but the 9-inch set track 009 points of today are dead frog. Only the longer 12 inch 009 points are electrofrog. (The last Peco 9-inch radius electrofrog points were made in 1980.)
You should have a wiring diagrams with the new Peco points.
Thanks for all your input - much appreciated.
Does anyone have a list of peco turnouts and their codes, and whether they are 9 or 12 inch, insulfrog or Electrofrog?
Trying to get my head around wiring frogs and bonding closure rails - does anyone have a simple diagram/picture of how to do this?
Sorry for all the questions, new to all this!
This looks fairly comprehensive and I think it gives a reasonable comparison of UK and US terminology in the text.
(https://the-contact-patch.com/figure/R1603-Components-1623079074.jpg?transform=%5Brs%3A590%7C600%7Cf%5D)
https://the-contact-patch.com/book/rail/r1603-turnouts (https://the-contact-patch.com/book/rail/r1603-turnouts)
Sadly Peco used the same part number for the 1970's 9-inch 009 electrofrog points on the later 12-inch 009 points made from 1980!
Peco also completely updated the 009 12 inch and Y points in 2010 with many improvements, but again they kept the same part number!! (They also did not publicise this update!!)
So the part numbers of the points that are available new now are as follows:
Dead frog 9-inch radius Set Track points:
RH: ST-405
LH: ST-406
Electrofrong 009 12-inch radius (Irregular sleepers)
RH: SL-E491
LH: SL-E492
Electrofrog 18-inch radius 009 Y point (Irregular sleepers)
Y: SL-E497
Electrofrog 18-inch radius 009 'Mainline' points:
RH: SL-E495
LH: SL-E496
The pre-1980 Peco 009 9-inch electrofrog points are longer than the 9-inch set track points.
They came in both dead frog and electrofrog versions. (You have one of each in your photo.)
The electrofrog verison had the same part nunmber as the later 12 inch points.
The dead frog versions had the same number but without the 'E'.
These older 9-inch electrofrog points are very hard to find now and are much sought after by those that want small radius 009 points.
Quote from: David Hilton on June 25, 2021, 17:26
any help or ideas much appreciated!
Have you see this?
http://www.brunelhobbies.com.au/PECO/Electrofrog_Instructions.htm (http://www.brunelhobbies.com.au/PECO/Electrofrog_Instructions.htm)