A quick intro :- I am just starting out in the 009 world, I currently model in n both UK and US, this is what I am thinking of building, it is 6ftX1ft or 1800mmX300mm and will be DCC with servo points. I am thinking that this could be a extension of the L&B to service Exmoor Zoo at South Stowford.
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Hi, Diane - a warm welcome to the forum. Hopefully you will find us friendly and the forum a useful resource as you get started in 009.
Please keep us informed of progress, especially with pictures!
David.
P.S. Don't forget the Society's online 'shop' for bargains in all departments - there are usually some Peco L&B items in stock if that's what you're particularly after (though probably not zoo animals...).
I succumbed to temptation and bought a Heljan L&B Manning-Wardle 2-6-2 tank loco my first 009 purchase.https://youtu.be/LhMCbvaC-k8 (https://youtu.be/LhMCbvaC-k8)
Hello Diane, you are on a similar journey to me. Looking forward to seeing your progress. Thanks for the video, nice little loco. I note the insulation board, are you planning on using that for your layout base?
Quote from: James Skelton on October 30, 2020, 21:17
I note the insulation board, are you planning on using that for your layout base?
No it is left over from a n gauge experiment with a foam baseboard I did not get on well with it so I will be using Ply and timber for my base boards 6mm ply top with 70mm x 18 mm frame.
With lockdown coming on us again, I will be progressing Stowford, this is my back story for the layout.
With the L&B being restored a consortium of the L&B, Exmoor Zoo and the Stowford Devon Cider Co Ltd (no relation to the brand with a similar name from Wales)decided a new link to the mainline to service the zoo and cider press would be a good plan. It would mean Rail travellers on the national network could access the zoo directly from Barnstaple, via Blackmoor station on the original L&B line. As a sister company to the main L&B the Stowford line will run L&B stock and a assortment of locos and stock borrowed from other narrow gauge lines. So in my Covid secure world 2020 is the start of what I hope to be a successful union of the L&B and Exmoor Zoo/Stowford Cider with the intent of at least having some movements on the new line by Christmas.
I have had a rethink and will start this build as a analogue layout with wire in tube style point control, with the option to go to DCC later if more dcc ready locos become available.
up Date:- I have just put in and paid for order for the makings to build Stowford, Tomorrow A visit to B&Q to get the makings for the base board then I am all set for Lock down.
I have the materials for the baseboards on hand and have just had a email from Dundas Models saying the rest should be here special delivery tomorrow.
Progress indeed Diane. :)
For the wire in tube point control I've found it useful to use slide switches at the opposite end of the actuator wire from the point's tie bar, linking the wire to the switch by drilling a suitable sized hole through the switch toggle for the wire to go through.
The 'Rolls Royce' version has the hole drilled along the same axis as the wire's movement with collars (short lengths of tube) soldered to the wire to allow the wire to slide slightly to account for the difference between the larger throw of the switch and the smaller throw of the point tie bar.
The alternative 'bodge that seems to work' is to offset the run of the wire and the axis of the switch, drill the hole through the toggle at right angles to the switchaxis and put a right angle bend in the end of the actuator wire (after it emerges from the tube) and allow the flex in the wire to take up the differences in the throws. That can be a bit 'hit and miss' though, as if there is too much flexing (too much wire between the bend and the switch) then the switch can be thrown without the point changing.
A final alternative would be to add Omega loops to the actuator wire, either by carefully bending the wire to shape or adding pre-made brass ones to the run, to take up the 'slack'.
Another advantage of using switches in this way is that the electrical part of the switch can be used to change the polarity of the frog (common crossing) on the point. If using single pole double throw switches the frog at the center of the point is wired to the middle pole of the switch and feed wires run from the outside fixed rails of the point (stock rails) to the outer poles of the switch. There is probably a proper wiring diagram somewhere, either on here or elsewhere on the interweb, that will probably be more helpful then my description, but the idea is that the wires between the point and the switch duplicate the circuits made by the rails (which the standard point uses to get power to the frog) with the advantage of the sliding / self cleaning contacts in the switch over the 'press on' contact between point blades and stock rails which is notorius for getting mucky and not passing the current too well. This is a bit of a problem for analogue operation, but may be more so for DCC where the signals between the chip and the base station may get lost trying to get through a layer of dirt.
Another thought about DCC and points is that with most of the commercial offerings both of the point blades have the same polarity as the stock rail they are touching (so this changes along with the frog). Whilst this is usually OK is does mean that on the 'open' side of the point there is a small gap with rails at opposite polarity and the wheel flange needs to go through this gap. If there is an issue with the wheelset (the back to back measurement is a bit smaller than is should be) the wheel can bridge the gap between the rails and cause a momentary short. Again, most analogue would not pick this up but on a DCC system this is enough to cause a shutdown. Whilst the points can be modified so that the point blades stay with the same polarity as their adjacent stock rails its a bit of a faff the easier way around the issue is to make sure that your back to back measurement is correct (7.4 mm from memory but I'm happy to be corrected on that).
Hope that helps,
Julien Webb
To add to Julien's post, I use the slide switch method as well, solves any wiring issues and Omega loops (proper ones work better than home made!). But I don't use wire in tube. In stead I do straight runs to the baseboard edge and use bullhead rail (flat bottom works as well!) in a groove cut into the baseboard surface or lay the track on cork underlay and cut a slot in that. Much less hassle than all the other methods. Just slide some thin card under the track before ballasting and after ballasting work the switch every so often to make sure it's free before the glue sets!
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I have also used the same system as Blair on one layout. Slide switches for the frog polarity working 00 rail laid on its side in groves in the baseboard for congtrol rods.
I went one stage further and managed to get slide switches that had almost exactly the same amount of movement as the point blades, so no need for the omega loops.
I have found this to be very reliable indeed.
I have had a busy day at the club I have built the 3 baseboards for Stowford, and surprisingly for me they are flat and square and fit together properly. I have a reputation as a wood butcher but this time things seem to have worked out, any way thanks to Dundas Models I have all I need to make a good start on the build, Lock Down here we come.
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Wow! A grand start, and fast.
Robin.
When you are retired and have a fully equipped club room to use it is surprising what you can achieve in 8 hours. ;) Unfortunately due to lockdown the club will be out of bounds for the next month :(.
Quote from: Robin Webster on November 04, 2020, 19:34
Wow! A grand start, and fast.
Robin.
My feelings exactly. I hope you will continue to show progress here as you go along and also make it in to an article for the News. Seeing something get all the way from bits of wood to a finished layout will make it that much easier for others to have a go!
Julian
Stowford Day 2, Lock down day 1, Stowford's boards linked together and surfaced with cork.
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Think you might need a rack or cog with that setup... Or Busch's H0f magnets! ;)
Stowford day 3, Lockdown day 2 :- Layout mocked up ready to start the build.
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Is this going to be analoge DC or DCC layout?
You will need to know what one first before you start laying the track so you know where all the isolating fishplates need to be located.
Initially DC but may switch to DCC eventually, so will wire for dc and just switch all the isolated areas on when operating in DCC mode.
If your happy to do that then it is no problem, but it will result in many more track feeds, isolating fishplates and section switches than would be needed if it was just analogue DC.
I always understood it to be the other way round with the isolating sections needed for "parking" unused locomotive or switching between controllers on a DC layout, whereas isolating joiners are needed on a DCC layout only if there are separate boosters or power districts or if there is block detection/track circuiting. (Or if there are reverse loops/wyes where the left rail becomes the right one and vice versa.)
(I'm envious of the progress and looking forward to seeing more!)
Quote from: GraemeD on November 06, 2020, 18:21
I always understood it to be the other way round with the isolating sections needed for "parking" unused locomotive or switching between controllers on a DC layout, whereas isolating joiners are needed on a DCC layout only if there are separate boosters or power districts or if there is block detection/track circuiting. (Or if there are reverse loops/wyes where the left rail becomes the right one and vice versa.)
I agree with GraemeD wiring for dc is much more involved than DCC and it is easy to go from DC to DCC but not the other way round.
From what I've seen of the amount of wires under most DCC layouts I've seen I have my doubts! It started off simple, but nowadays looks like a bowl of spaghetti...
I suspect there is a strong element of "getting cleverer" over time in both DC and DCC wiring. The track feeds in 60 Plans type books are mostly simple.
I don't think one would go far wrong wiring for DC regarding isolating sections if planning to change to DCC. Should mysterious electrical faults occur it makes locating them easier. It would also make adding track circuiting simpler if one decided to add some computer control or even just a mimic panel with indicator lights.
My latest layout use a single wire running the length of the board for the return with droppers connecting to it. Double breaks at all the toe ends of the points. It just made the wiring simpler. DC BTW.
Stowford day 5, lock down day 4, a little change of pace today, I have had a go at the little open wagon kit which came with my 009 Society welcome pack. It went together very well and I think compares well with the RTR van next to it.
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This is not the place to argue this! However, on a DC layout you just use the points to isolate each siding.
In Diane's track plan no, isolating sections are needed, it could all be switched using the points.
Even a simple layout with one point needs more wires connected to the track with DCC than with DC as well as extra isolating fishplates that are not needed in on a DC layout with one point.
It may take a bit more thought to work it out, but there are always less wires to the track and less isolating fishplates with DC than with DCC.
If you use common return wiring for a DC layout for the track, point motors and every other electrical item it effectively halves the wires needed. However, you cannot use common return with DCC the two wires to the track have to be kept separate.
So if you have a DC layout with common return wireing it can not be converted to DCC without a lot of work.
The open wagon looks great. Is the lettering decals, and if so, who makes them?
Quote from: GraemeD on November 08, 2020, 18:15
The open wagon looks great. Is the lettering decals, and if so, who makes them?
http://www.oldtimeworkshop.co.uk/ (http://www.oldtimeworkshop.co.uk/)
Stowford ,Day 6, Lock down Day 5, Back to track laying to day, track laying on the right hand board is now complete and I have installed WiT style operation on one point.
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Stowford day 7 lockdown day 6:- both points on board 3 (right hand board) are now working with my version of wire in tube (using brass telescope type tubes) and the power droppers are in place, board 3 is now waiting on the arrival of switches for completion.
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Stowford day 8, Lockdown day 7, A quick stock check today of the available stock for the Stowford line.
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Diane - just a few things :-
1. Have you standardised on couplings yet ? I'm just about to change mine to 'Greenwich' with magnet un-coupling. As yours is a brand new layout, this seems like a good time before the stock gets too large...
2. For DC wiring, I use the point blades to switch the current (Peco Electrofrog). As long as you keep the contact faces clean this seems to work ok. For sections where I want to hold a loco, I just use a single rail break with a push-button to activate. All nice and simple. I use a separate solder flux to get a nice joint between the dropper wire and the rail feeds.
Keep up the good work (what a pace !)
Dave
Stowford Day 9 Lockdown Day 8, Track laying on the centre board has commenced.
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Looks like work is progressing well.
The Stowford Railway certainly has some industrious navvies. :)
Stowford Day10, Lockdown Day 10:- The Switches have arrived so it is back to the right hand board today to fit the micro switches to the points for frog switching and the mini-toggle switches for the feed/isolation of track sections. The wires have been breeding and there are more to come
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Stowford Day 11, Lockdown Day 11, The wiring on the right hand board is now complete other than the interconnecting plug which has yet to arrive. So back to the centre board and track laying later.
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I'm really impressed with how neat and tidy your wiring is.
Stowford Day12, Lock Down Day12, Track laying on the middle board is now complete, The Permanent Way Gang have been busy.
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Stowford, Day 13 , Lockdown Day 13:- All the track has now been laid, it is over to the electro-mechanical engineering dept. to add the power network and the point operating systems to the middle and left-hand boards.
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Stowford day 14, Lockdown day14, After much fiddling and tweaking I eventually got the Peco manual uncoupler to work remotely.
https://youtu.be/L5JDhk4A2FU (https://youtu.be/L5JDhk4A2FU)
Good stuff Diane, it works! Now you are a youtube star. :) ;)
Stowford Day 15, Lockdown Day 16. The mechanical point and uncoupler workings have been fitted to the Left-hand board and tested using my KISS version of wire in tube. The electrical fitters will be along shortly to do the wiring.
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Stowford, Lockdown day 18. I have completed the wiring on the right hand board and allowed the permanent way gang give ballasting a go. Work starts on the middle board later.
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Good work Diane - it's a messy business !
Scenery next ?
Dave
Quote from: Dave Cooper on November 23, 2020, 11:47
Scenery next ?
Dave
I have the centre board to finish off before I get to the fun bit the scenery.
Stowford, Lockdown day 19, The mechanical point operating system has been installed for the 3 points on the centre board.
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Good progress Diane. Envious of your rapid progress and of your incredibly tidy wiring - proves it is possible!!
I am really trying hard to avoid my usual rats nest of wires on this build. ;D
Stowford. Lockdown day 21, The wiring on the centre board for the control has been completed and provision has been made to add a lighting circuit later.
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https://youtu.be/SR63Ifdg_z4 (https://youtu.be/SR63Ifdg_z4)
First traffic movement on Stowford.
Great work Diane and nice music ! Are you, by any chance, into Bluegrass as well ?
Dave
It is coming along very well!
I have built the first building for Stowford, The station building/HQ for the Stowford & Barnstaple Line.
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I have been working on more buildings for Stowford over the weekend, these are intended to be used as part of the scenic break/back drop to hide the fiddle yard at the left hand end of the layout.
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I really like the scalescene low relief whare house. I have three of those in a row to represent the main building in my small industrial complex. In fact, come to think of it, most of the buildings on my layout are from scalescene. My next project is their kit for the canal wharf box file micro layout. No links with the company, other than as a satisfied customer. 🙂
The back scene to camouflage the fiddle yard has been progressed this week, A MOW train (Maintenance of Way) is sitting in the siding that serves Stowford industrial estate.
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I have been working on progressing the back scene and the scenic break for the entrance to the fiddle yard. The fiddle yard entrance is hidden between the buildings a train can be seen exiting stage left.
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I do have some tips when using the old Egger coaches and vans with the two wheel bogies.
First make sure the back to back is correct as it is often wrong from new.
Second make sure that the wheel insulators are not rubbing on the bogie pivots. Again they often do this from new.
Lastly if you are using a minimum of 12 inch points and 18 inch reverse curves you should be able to secure the bogies in the central position, this will prevent them turning to one side when being pushed.
You can test this on your layout using a bit of blu-tack to hold the bogie in place.
Being locked down so on my own and the usual rubbish on the box, I have progressed the back scene on Stowford over the Christmas period.
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Diane
I think if you can disguise the join between the buildings and their 'setting' it will add realism (perhaps you are planning to do this anyway...).
You can use sand, grit, ballast, static grass etc. whatever is to hand really.
Generally, good progress though. Happy new year (if you're on your own - listen to some Bluegrass whilst modelling ? I don't know why but my radio is nearly always on R4 !)
Dave
The back scene for Stowford has now been finished, I will now have to workout what I am going to do with the fore ground.
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Stowford Station is being progressed along with its surrounds.
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More detail added to the Stowford Station board.
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The Station board is more or less complete it even has 2 lads in short pants on the end of the platform, I am waiting on delivery of some platform benches and a Western National bus.
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The station board is looking really good.
The Bus and seats have arrived and been fitted so the Station board is now to all intents and purposes finished, the cattle wagon is a kit I have just finished and is awaiting a visit to the sign writers. On to one of the other boards now.
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The latest wagon kits freshly outshopped ready for service.
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Work has commenced on the fiddle yard board scenics.
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The Fiddle yard board is now more or less complete, so it's on to the middle board next.
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The S & B Railway welcomes its latest purchase, fresh in from Europe a useful 0-6-0 Diesel.
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Work has begun on the scenics of the middle board.
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Work is continuing on the centre board, I will have to slow down or this lockdown project will be finished to quickly.
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Quote from: Diane Tape on February 01, 2021, 15:16
Work is continuing on the centre board, I will have to slow down or this lockdown project will be finished to quickly.
I know about that problem.
Back in May 2018 when I started my layout I worked on it for several hours almost every day, as a result what was envisaged as being a long term project was anything but. (there was a good personal reason for that).
Since then the layout has been extended twice and parts of it have been redeveloped.
Work is progressing on the centre board, just the little details to add.
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If anyone here is a follower of my FB account it has been hacked so ignore any posts from that account until further notice.
The centre board is now complete, how many shite hawks, flying rats and moggies can you spot?
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The S&B railways love for the oddball has come to the fore with its latest purchases for its fleet, in the guise of a inspection car/loco and a diesel railcar & trailer combo.
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The first of the S&B's own coaching stock has been built and out shopped from the workshop. I am not 100% happy with the sign writing it will have to go back to the paint shop at sometime.
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Quote from: Diane Tape on February 18, 2021, 14:13
it will have to go back to the paint shop at sometime.
Umm...a feeling I sympathise with!
Is that a kit?
Quote from: James S on February 18, 2021, 20:34
Is that a kit?
Yes Dundas DM22 Festiniog semi open.
The workshop has delivered another of S&B's own coaches, the sign writing is still not perfect but getting better.
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The painter was having a happy day. ;) :)
Hi, may I suggest painting the area to receive the lettering with gloss varnish, makes applying lettering easier & the transfers stick better. Then apply Matt varnish over the same area once the decals have fully set to seal them in place & restore the Matt finish. Just a suggestion, works for me.🙂
The S&B coach fleet now numbers three in their own blue livery.
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For my birthday I treated myself to a 3D printed body to fit a Kato 0-4-0 chassis, I have added handrails, coal, toolboxes, couplings, crew, window glazing and a paint job in S&B Railway company livery.
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That's a nice looking loco. I hope you enjoyed your birthday.
The S&B railway's Classic/Vintage vehicle wing have been sprucing up their fleet ready for the end of lock down opening of the local Zoo (Bus shuttle Service from Station to Zoo) and station dressing in the form of Jones the Coal's Scamell delivery truck.
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https://youtu.be/R7igZxqfCbM (https://youtu.be/R7igZxqfCbM)
Having temporarily run out of things to build/make, I got the Kato track out for a testing session of my lockdown purchases. I had not realised how many locos I had purchased.
The video was great fun to watch. A very appropriate soundtrack too. :)
As you have discovered, like others before you, locomotives are a bit like rabbits. :) :)
It is good to check they are all still working. :)
Is that L.A.S (Locomotive Acquisition Syndrome)?
(After James Hill - "Ukulele Acquisition Syndrome - why have one ukulele when you can have twelve?)
Having enjoyed running my 009 locos on the kato temporary test loop I thought I might make use of a slab of loft insulation foam I have in the come-in handy pile, approximately 1200 X 500 mm and make something more permanent to sit and watch 009 trains go by, any constructive criticism welcome. The plan works for both Peco and Kato tracks.
Welcome to Much Binding in the Marsh.
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Slight rethink Number 1
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Having the station on the diagonal looks better.
You might also like to consider swinging the fiddle yard parallel to the rear edge then shifting the right hand tunnel mouth back a bit and having a short straight section between the road and tunnel on the right so the two sides of the layout don't look symmetrical. This would avoid what appears to be a bit of wasted space in the top right corner.
An option is to raise the level of the road at one or both ends and have the track disappear under the road bridge and into the trees. The line of the trees could suggest the track runs off in a different direction to the one it actually takes and the trees actually overhang the track as it vanishes into the back scene.
I would change the points over at the end of both loops. that is change the RH points for LH points and the LH points for right hand points. The curved part of the point then becomes is the last section of the end curve. This will give you slightly longer loops, would make the station look less linear and also remove the reverse curves from you track plan, so less issues with couplings locking.
Quote from: B.Meldon on March 23, 2021, 16:28
I would change the points over at the end of both loops. that is change the RH points for LH points and the LH points for right hand points. The curved part of the point then becomes is the last section of the end curve. This will give you slightly longer loops, would make the station look less linear and also remove the reverse curves from you track plan, so less issues with couplings locking.
If I go the Kato route the geometry does not work the point is approx 12" radius and the curves are 6".
Re think 2
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Re-think 3.
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Re-think 4
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The latest projects, 2 3D printed loco kits with their Kato Chassis.
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A couple of nice looking locos, they'll keep you busy for a while.
I always think it's much more fun building your own locos either from 3D prints or scratchbuilt, much less expensive too! :)
The S&B now has 4 tram locos in their distinctive Red/White/Blue livery, with addition of the 2 new builds to the existing fleet of the now repainted Track Inspection Diesel and Number 14 Saddle Tank.
(https://i.ibb.co/Bg3S5JL/1a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q6Q13V9)
A very nice line up. Stowford clearly has a good fleet of locomotives.
Looking good.
Sorry if I missed it, but are you able to give any details of the kits?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/009-narrow-Gauge-Tram-loco-to-fit-Kato-109-chassis/393196651590?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/009-narrow-Gauge-Tram-loco-to-fit-Kato-109-chassis/393196651590?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/009-Narrow-gauge-Peckett-style-tram-loco-to-fit-Kato-109-chassis-Read-Discr/393196660250?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/009-Narrow-gauge-Peckett-style-tram-loco-to-fit-Kato-109-chassis-Read-Discr/393196660250?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OO9-009-Saddle-Tank-Steam-Locomotive/184232610727?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OO9-009-Saddle-Tank-Steam-Locomotive/184232610727?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/h0e-DIESEL-INSPECTION-CAR-H0E-009-KATO-MOTOR-WORKING-CREW-NEW-KIT-BUILT/233852849030?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/h0e-DIESEL-INSPECTION-CAR-H0E-009-KATO-MOTOR-WORKING-CREW-NEW-KIT-BUILT/233852849030?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649)
The plan printed @ full size and taped to the foam panel.
(https://i.ibb.co/42k10Dq/1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w7tc2bk)
Before starting work on Much Binding in the Marsh, I needed to check if my 009 stock would run happily on 6" curves, all did but the HELJAN MANNING WARDLE which is well known for not liking curves less than 12".
https://youtu.be/xBt3BXVe3I4 (https://youtu.be/xBt3BXVe3I4)
I have temporarily pinned the track down for a trial fit, only one minor change needed on the left hand siding to take the Kato points special joining tracks into account. I will also start a new thread for Much Binding in the Marsh.
(https://i.ibb.co/THxqVb3/mbotm1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LCXhLJ7)