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Modelling => Layouts => Topic started by: Nick Gurney on August 02, 2019, 18:01

Title: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on August 02, 2019, 18:01
Hello all,

Always modelled 00 scale modern image and currently have 2 layout out on the circuit. While I was exhibiting in June I saw a small 009 layout for sale which I bought for my grandson. I had a bit of fun running it and started looking around at layout themes and what stock was available. I wanted something modernish and preferably industrial diesels. I came across the Minitrains range which of course are HOe but I thought why not build something. Contacted a friend that does laser cut baseboards, got one 4' by 18" bout some Peco flexi track, settled on a Peat Works theme and this is the story so far...
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on August 02, 2019, 18:03
Bits on the workbench for painting and weathering.
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on August 02, 2019, 18:07
Working on some buildings and structures, any comments welcome or even better and pictures Peat works related for inspiration welcome.

Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Frank on August 03, 2019, 08:06
Hi Nick, and welcome to the forum!

This looks very impressive.  I would guess you may be new to 009 but not to modelling in general, it looks very well executed so far.  Looking forward to seeing it develop.

Frank
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: B.Meldon on August 03, 2019, 09:43
Nice buildings and the Minitrains loco will run well.

However as you may probably already know track laying in 009 has to be spot on to get good running.
You can get away with far more with 00 track but with 009 you need to avoid kinks at rail joints, dips and ridges.
Pre-bending the rails for all curves helps a lot with this.
I would also recommend you use only electrofrog points and fit every point with a frog polarity switch, both for reliability.
However others may say the above is not required.

Brian Meldon
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Dave Cooper on August 09, 2019, 10:42
Hi Nick

Very nice work so far - better than mine !

Just interested to know from your photos, is the point operating frame a 'dummy' or, does it actually work ?

I'd like to get something like this for my 009 diorama /layout...I imagine, if it does operate, that the lever meshes with a coarse worm to convert to linear in and out movement - ie worm and peg maybe ? Then again it may be a commercial item ?
Regards,
Dave
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on August 09, 2019, 18:45
Quote from: Dave Cooper on August 09, 2019, 10:42

Very nice work so far - better than mine !



Thank you Dave, the point lever is just a Peco dummy point lever which I have painted.



Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on August 09, 2019, 18:47
A bit of a mock up of what I am trying to achieve....
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Dave Cooper on August 09, 2019, 21:39
Peco dummy, hmmm....I wonder if it could be converted.

Mock up looking good Nick - will the 'elevator' be operational ? I've got a rope-worked incline on my system...using model aircraft controline wire for the 'rope' running over brass pulleys fashioned from various electrical items. Just experimenting with different motors and tensioning methods for the winding house at present.

Keep up the good work !
Dave
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Hugh Norwood on August 10, 2019, 11:46
Quote from: Dave Cooper on August 09, 2019, 21:39
[...] brass pulleys  [...]

You can get small brass pulleys from suppliers of marine modelling items.
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on August 16, 2019, 19:05
Playing around with the back scene, nothing is fixed in place yet...

Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: clayliner on August 17, 2019, 12:02

Looking good! That backscene suggests some rather wild and desolate scenery which is very appropriate for a peat moor.

Don't forget 009 Sales for many of those items you'll be needing... Just send a shopping list to see if they can help.

David.
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on September 21, 2019, 18:30
So, I have been cracking on but its still very much work in progress....

Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 21, 2019, 18:33
It's coming along nicely. Are the peat wagons scratchbuilt?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Julian Coulson on September 22, 2019, 08:44
Great work. I'll be starting on an 009 layout soon along with a 00 gauge. I intend to have them interacting with eachother......somehow.
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Stefan Krebs on September 22, 2019, 11:54
I have been looking at those Peco dummy point levers for nearly 40 years wondering the same, but I still reckon it's easier to build from scratch. Those levers comprise 2 parts, the actual lever and the base plate.

Problem 1:
With the 'hinge' at the end of the lever you'd have to drill the shank to take the actuation rod, but that weakens the shank making it prone to breaking. Attaching an eye, i.e. doubling up the shank, carries the same problem: you'd have to glue on material, which not only looks ugly, but creates a weak link in the joint.
Problem 2:
The lever has 2 nice round stub- 'axles', but the base has only a slot for these to be glued in. You'd either have to close the slots to trap the axles, or you'd have to drill out the axle and the base to insert a shaft (nail etc.) to create a working hinge.

As I don't find the detailing (on the crude side) and the scaling (they are rather huge than large) that impressive I have abandoned the idea; too much work for a not too convincing detail, my opinion, especially as I prefer the lever to point in the right direction, i.e. left for left and right for right.  ;)

Anyway, if anybody else attempted the conversion, it would be nice to hear about it.  :D


Cheers
Waldschrat
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on September 22, 2019, 13:11
Quote from: Jeff Schumaker on September 21, 2019, 18:33
It's coming along nicely. Are the peat wagons scratchbuilt?



Thanks, the peat wagons are 3D printed bodies from Shapeways on Minitrains chassis.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/FZAP672N4/009-peat-wagon-steel-bodied-x-6 (https://www.shapeways.com/product/FZAP672N4/009-peat-wagon-steel-bodied-x-6)
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on September 28, 2019, 16:19
I have made good progress, still work in progress though.

Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 29, 2019, 00:02
Very impressive. Nice photo.

Jeff S.
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Post by: engerth399 on September 29, 2019, 07:33
I like the back scene which gives an impression of depth.

Peter
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on September 29, 2019, 09:16
Thanks guys, adding all the small details now ready for its first exhibition in Prestatyn in December...

Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: gtmspyder on September 29, 2019, 11:03
That really does look very nice Nick, congratulations.

BrianT  [gtmspyder]
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: clayliner on September 30, 2019, 15:33

Agreed - that's a satisfying scene and the curved backscene works very well.

I like the lifting gantry on the right (I was going to call them sheerlegs but fortunately I checked first - it seems sheerlegs only have two legs). The Burnbake and Woodyhyde needs one as well outside the loco shed, and it's on the 'to do' list... (but don't hold your breath).
'
David.
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on September 30, 2019, 19:51
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Narrow Gauge newbie...
Post by: Nick Gurney on September 30, 2019, 19:52
Quote from: clayliner on September 30, 2019, 15:33


I like the lifting gantry on the right


Bachmann 44-0104 Narrow Gauge timber loco lift