I've treated myself to the Backwoods Double Farlie for Christmas (after selling my N gauge collection to finance a stock injection for Scrayingham), and was wondering how different the three various 'classic' Farlies are externally.
Obviously the current Earl is very different externally with the high capacity tanks, but the other three that still survive look very similar. I don't have any side-by side comparison photos, but the ones I have looked at don't seem to be too different (oil/coal storage aside). I'm more than prepared to be educated/corrected please!
Ideally, I want to build my loco as Merddin Emrys, how much would I have to alter the kit (if it's a bit of a size discrepancy, I'm not too worried, as the track gauge is incorrect to begin with!)
Also, does anyone know where I can get name plates for Merddin, and decal for the crests (although I'm not going to be needing these for quite some time!)
Thanks for any help/advice
J
Hi J
For comparison of types try this link.
http://www.frheritage.org.uk/wiki/Double_Fairlie
Regards Jeff
I'm fairly (or should tht be fairlie?) certain that Golden Arrow do the nameplates for the Ffestiniog Fairlies (along with the "Fairlie's Patent" plates).
As to the crests try Peter Blackham (http://www.blackhamtransfers.com/) as I think that what you are after is "RN42.076.E.1046 4mm scale std garter crest", though it's probably worth checking.
The FR Double Fairlie
Thanks for the info guys, the size issue isn't too much of a problem for me at the moment, as I'll only have one of them on my layout so the size difference shouldn't be too apparent.
Looking at the various pictures, I haven't been able to identify and major external detail differences. The backwoods kit is designed as Livingston, or one of the the previous names carried as all three are etched on one of the frets (along with the Farlie's Patent plates). I'm still looking at trying to build it as Merddin in 2007 condition (as I had a delightful two trips over the line behind it then)
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J
Here is a link to a photo of L.T:
http://www.frheritage.org.uk/wiki/Image:LT.jpg
The principal differences in appearance in M.E today, apart from the scale, are the tank top extensions on the driver
Hi J
As a matter of interest which chassis are you going to use for the model?
The reason I ask is because I
Quote from: Brandyman on December 22, 2009, 03:26
Hi J
As a matter of interest which chassis are you going to use for the model?
The reason I ask is because I
Thanks ever so much for the most useful information Brian, have you any idea what the gaps in the valances below the cab are for or what's behind them?
And, yes, I'll be using the Backwoods chassis that comes as part of the kit. Hopefully once all the festive modelling interference is out of the way I'll be making a start!
All the best to everyone
J
OK
ME has always had a joint in the framing of the cab floor beneath the doorway as did the previous double loco James Spooner although as built there was no gap. Livingstone Thompson does not have this joint and the section is made in one part. On ME this framing extends further under the tanks and originally partly obscured the rear driving wheels. Although the modern replacements are the same size as the original because the loco is now somewhat longer they do not now obscure the wheels.
ME had been run into the ground in the last few years before closure of the FR and had been left with water in the tanks and boiler and with coal in the bunkers. This combined with the salt air and a leaking loco shed resulted in the need to replace the entire superstructure on the loco including the cab floors. These replacement units were made of welded steel plate in two parts for each side of the loco. When the loco first re-entered service in 1961 with it
Thanks for all this wonderful information, it is fascinating as well as useful! Most of the differences are easy enough to replicate on a model in such a small scale, and some would only be noticable if it were ever to run alongside another Fairlie, which may happen one day, who knows?! (looks around to make sure no-one is reading over shoulder :police: ;))
The main stumbling blocks I have come across, which are evident in the two pictures linked to below are; that ME seems to have a more protruding boiler then LT or DLG. The latter two in full side profile have very little gap between the sand boxes and the start of the smokebox, whereas ME has a definite gap. Also, the cab sides, ME has a different shape to the cab sides and driver/fireman's openings whereas LT and DLG are very similar. As far as I can tell, they're the only bits that would cause any real sort of problem
http://www.narrow-gauge.co.uk/gallery/show.php?image_id=2270&cat_id=3
http://www.narrow-gauge.co.uk/gallery/show.php?image_id=2272&cat_id=3
Again, it's not really a concern when the loco is a single Double Fairlie (now there's a design idea!) but there's always that nag in the back of the mind that knows it's not quite right! I'll have to keep mulling it over, I'm sure being back at work tonight will give me plenty of time to do that!
Happy new year to you all!
Thanks again!
J
You are correct about the tanks. Even when new LT had larger tanks than ME.
To be honest to most people the FR double locos all look the same anyway, it is only those that have actually modelled them or have worked with them that will notice the differences.
As I said in my first post on this subject the Backwoods kit is for LT as it is today and is therefore somewhat under size for a model of ME as it is today. However as you say if you only have one FR Fairlie on the layout this will be difficult to spot. It should also be noted that just to confuse matters the Backwoods Miniatures 009 model of the FR single Fairlie