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Title: Historic Documents Part 2 Stone way at London
Post by: Stefan Krebs on January 31, 2019, 20:20
Let's start with an article from 1830. The railway is 'latest innovation', competing with more traditional solutions. This is an article from the 'Mechanic', i.e. originally in English by an English author. Now translated back into English (anybody got the original from the Mechanic, so I can see where I got it wrong?  :laugh:

Note that I have no idea what the measures actually are, hence I have used 'centner' (something like a hundredweight)  as this is what's in the German text. MMr is the plural of Mr, not sure if that's in the Englisg original that way. The way 'pony' is mentioned it probably was in the English original, but not a German word at the time (it is today).

Both magazines would have chosen the subject as it presents a novelty, i.e. at least state-of-the-art technology.

Enjoy the 'battle of the systems'.  :laugh:

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Titel:   Ueber die Steinbahn zu London.
Autor:   Anonymus
Fundstelle:   1830, Band 36, Nr. LVIII. (S. 261
Title: Re: Historic Documents Part 2 Stone way at London
Post by: Stefan Krebs on January 31, 2019, 20:22
...continued.

Extract from Mr Walker
Title: Re: Historic Documents Part 2 Stone way at London
Post by: B.Meldon on February 01, 2019, 11:23
For the original in english see these links:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgsrv/image?id=nyp.33433062605591;orient=0;size=75;seq=91;num=73

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgsrv/image?id=nyp.33433062605591;orient=0;size=75;seq=92;num=74

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgsrv/image?id=nyp.33433062605591;orient=0;size=75;seq=93;num=75

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgsrv/image?id=nyp.33433062605591;orient=0;size=75;seq=94;num=76

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgsrv/image?id=nyp.33433062605591;orient=0;size=75;seq=95;num=77

Brian Meldon
Title: Re: Historic Documents Part 2 Stone way at London
Post by: B.Meldon on February 01, 2019, 11:28
Here is a link to a web site that lists all the Mechanic magazines that are available to view in full on-line:

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008614957

Brian Meldon
Title: Re: Historic Documents Part 2 Stone way at London
Post by: Stefan Krebs on February 01, 2019, 12:12
Oh, thanks, I didn't know that. Brilliant, I can check now how good the old translation is, and how bad mine.   ;D

I also shan't bother with stuff they got from the Mechanic; you can look at the original.   ;D


Cheers
Waldschrat
Title: Re: Historic Documents Part 2 Stone way at London
Post by: B.Meldon on February 01, 2019, 12:24
Please do post a list of the articles including the dates and page numbers that are in the Mechanic.
This would be an invaluble referance tool and be a great help in looking them all up.

Also, in the scanned publications that are on-line many of the illustrations are either poorly copied or missed altogether, so again a clear scan of the illustrations for the articles would be most helpful as well.

Brian Meldon
Title: Re: Historic Documents Part 2 Stone way at London
Post by: Stefan Krebs on February 01, 2019, 15:36
Dear Brian,

Okay, I noticed that the German scans of Dingler are superior, not the least, because they have both, the picture scan of the page (so you can check for typos, but also the OCR scan, which makes the whole library searchable by key words. I agree, the drawings look better too, with file sizes in the Mbs.

What I find fascinating is that apparently they really shipped the engraved plates to Germany for printing; I suggested it, but thought it unlikely. But comparing the pictures in the Mechanic with those in Dingler it looks like they are printed off the same plate.   :laugh:

Nevertheless, I shan't bother with translations.   ;D


Cheers
Waldschrat
Title: Re: Historic Documents Part 2 Stone way at London
Post by: B.Meldon on February 01, 2019, 15:45
Quote from: Leprechaun on February 01, 2019, 15:36

What I find fascinating is that apparently they really shipped the engraved plates to Germany for printing; I suggested it, but thought it unlikely. But comparing the pictures in the Mechanic with those in Dingler it looks like they are printed off the same plate.

Waldschrat

I supose it could be that they were printed at the same place and then just the finished magazine went to Germany??

Brian Meldon
Title: Re: Historic Documents Part 2 Stone way at London
Post by: Stefan Krebs on February 01, 2019, 23:19
Dear Brian,

Possible.

I just had a close look again because the German drawings have headers not present on the English, and I'm content they are different engravings. If you look closely at the road cross-sections you can see that the letters are different fonts, and the numbers are in slightly different locations. I'd also say that thee rider's horse is different width between both pictures, but that could be scanning distortion.

Cheers
Waldschrat