Hello all,
Apologies if I've put this in the wrong place on the forum, but I wondered if any members knew of a good paint match for MOD Green, as seen on narrow gauge locomotives eg. those at Chilmark / Eastriggs etc...
Some images below - not mine...
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Hi, not a definative answer. More an observation from someone surrounded by mod vehicles of all types for 20 years +. Front line vehicles would be painted Matt sand or NATO green ( post war), non front line/rear echelon vehicles after about 1970 would be plain NATO green, pre about 1970 they would have been deep bronze green. A colour that was also applied to most of the early landrovers. To my untrained eye, the loco's in your first photo appear to be deep bronze green. Hope this is of some help. Paul.
Paul is spot on! I was in Germany 65 to 68 and all vehicles (softskin and armoured) at that time were deep bronze green. Before I saw the light and took up NG modelling I had a reasonably lengthy spell with military modelling and found that Humbrol gloss Brunswick Green 3 was a good match, let down with a top coat of satin varnish so that there was still a deep shine, but in 1:76 scale gloss comes out just a little bit too shiny and toylike.
As an aside: the standard cleaning method was the conventional spraying with water but then a great deal and hours of vigorous rubbing with copious amounts of cotton waste with "derv" - a cocktail of petrol with a quantity of oil to provide the sheen. I can't remember the proportions but I would guess from very distant memory that it was around 5% engine oil. Strangely, as we smoked without a care in the world, I do not remember anyone or any vehicles going up in flames during the clean up!
The petrol would evaporate in an hour or so and the thin film of diluted oil remaining would provide the glossy sheen.
The photo of the diesels at Bredgar illustrate the deep bronze green hue very well.
1968 - 71 I was in a UK based Spearhead airportable brigade on permanent 72 hours notice to deploy worldwide. At first the vehicles were in bronze green, but around 1969 they were all repainted in matt dark green, a couple of shades lighter than the gloss deep bronze green. Humbrol Matt 30 is close, Matt 80 is lighter and would do for a well worn vehicle. At that time, vehicles were sprayed green in workshops and a template was supplied to the troops on the ground with matt black and the disruptive black camouflage colours were painted on by hand. Later on, due to the scruffy look that often resulted, vehicles were painted in the familiar matt green and black pattern properly in workshops!
The introduction of the matt green & black scheme coincided with the first issue of the familiar DPM (disruptive pattern mottled) army combat suits which replaced the rather WW2 American styled drab green combat suits of the 1960's.
So, that's the interesting diversion (!), the short answer to your question is: Humbrol Brunswick Green number 3 with a top coat of satin varnish for deep bronze green 1960's pattern and Humbrol Matt Green number 30 for the drab matt green colour 1970 onwards. Get older tins if you can as I understand that Humbrol paints in recent years have gone down the pan in quality.
Mick
There appear to be a steam loco and a draisine in the background, any more details on those, please?
Peter
Agreed!
Quote from: paul ludlow on December 29, 2018, 22:47
Hi, not a definative answer. More an observation from someone surrounded by mod vehicles of all types for 20 years +. Front line vehicles would be painted Matt sand or NATO green ( post war), non front line/rear echelon vehicles after about 1970 would be plain NATO green, pre about 1970 they would have been deep bronze green. A colour that was also applied to most of the early landrovers. To my untrained eye, the loco's in your first photo appear to be deep bronze green. Hope this is of some help. Paul.
Quote from: MickT on December 30, 2018, 00:11
So, that's the interesting diversion (!), the short answer to your question is: Humbrol Brunswick Green number 3 with a top coat of satin varnish for deep bronze green 1960's pattern and Humbrol Matt Green number 30 for the drab matt green colour 1970 onwards. Get older tins if you can as I understand that Humbrol paints in recent years have gone down the pan in quality.
Mick
Thank you Paul and Mick for that help, an acrylic aerosol has been purchased to give that colour a test on my model!
Mick, a very interesting diversion so don't dismiss it - I am amazed the amount of social history which is locked away that can be accessed as a result of something slightly related!!
Thanks again,
James
I think something you must bear in mind is the smaller the model, the lighter the colour has to be as paint pigments do not readily scale. I don't understand the whys of this but know it to be true. Roy Link has written extensively on this subject.
My own loco was sprayed Railmatch LNER green, I think Doncaster, the darker of the two LNER greens and looks pretty much the same as your photos.
Quote from: rod335 on December 30, 2018, 20:23
I think something you must bear in mind is the smaller the model, the lighter the colour has to be as paint pigments do not readily scale. I don't understand the whys of this but know it to be true. Roy Link has written extensively on this subject.
My own loco was sprayed Railmatch LNER green, I think Doncaster, the darker of the two LNER greens and looks pretty much the same as your photos.
Thanks Rod.
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