It was nice to see on the cover of the April 009 News the Egger-bahn stanchion wagon complete with the red Anguplas 'Mini Cars' No 43 'Le Zebre' looking good on Dave Simpson & Rachael Field's 'Wisteria Collop' layout over 50 years after the wagon was first made!
I never got around to righting the full article all about the many versions of these Egger-bahn stanchion wagons.
But in short they came with:
Red 'Le Zebre'
Yellow 'Le Zebre'
Cream 'Le Zebre'
Blue 'Le Zebre'
Black 'Model T' (Again an Anguplas product)
Grey Preiser cement mixer.
and without any load.
All the above had two versions, one version without axle box detail and the other with axle box detail.
There was also a 1980's version with no load that had axle box detail and black wheel insulators. (The egger-bahn German examples have clear plastic wheel insulators.)
Preiser later made the cement mixer in other colour plastics in the 1990's, but obviously this was long after production of the Egger wagon stopped.
I have also seen other Anguplas cars as well as other vehicles like the Preiser threshing machine on these wagons, but these are later additions not original Egger fitted items.
Brian Meldon
Just a slight spellcheck, Brian, but shouldn't it be a "Le Zebre" car, it's not an animal! As per:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E686-Anguplas-Mini-Cars-43-1-86-Le-Zebre-BOITE-SEUL-b-/162605964499
Quote from: Hobby on March 25, 2018, 08:56
Just a slight spellcheck, Brian, but shouldn't it be a "Le Zebre" car, it's not an animal! As per:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E686-Anguplas-Mini-Cars-43-1-86-Le-Zebre-BOITE-SEUL-b-/162605964499
Yes corrected now!
Brian Meldon
I've got one with the yellow car and black insulators.
Mal.
Quote from: WALLSHIRTS on March 27, 2018, 01:16
I've got one with the yellow car and black insulators.
Mal.
Does it have no axle box detail?
(https://forum.009society.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.egger-bahn.nl%2Fimages%2Ffoto_l1.jpg&hash=19b806db955faf705c8cda99b4ef9ffcdcb8c050)
Or does it have the later type with axle box detail?
(https://forum.009society.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.egger-bahn.nl%2Fimages%2Ffoto_l2.jpg&hash=02028b2d5cbc97d490dca82dc6e4f7587c16d6d7)
(Both photos from the following web site: http://www.egger-bahn.nl/smalspoor%20foto_lorrie.html)
In general, the black wheel insulators were made by Jouef in France from 1968 to 1972, and again in the 1980's, the clear ones were made by Egger-bahn in Germany up to 1968. But there is some doubt about the very end of production in Germany in this regard on the bogies and small four wheel trucks. There is also a possibility that Jouef purchased some cars along with the moulding dies in 1968 so some may have been produced by Jouef.
In general, it should have the clear plastic insulators if it has a car fitted so I would look in detail at the car to see if it is an original.
But it may well have had the wheels or even bogies changed at some point, so it could still be an Egger-bahn item, it will all depend on the detail of the car, but at the end of the day if the car is correct there is no way to know for sure if it is an original or a later added car! (See the next post.)
Brian Meldon
Because the addition of a car to these Egger-bahn wagons significantly increases the sale value I have seen several that have had later produced or incorect cars added so it is perhaps a good idea to know how to spot the correct version of the cars.
Anguplas made two versions of the Le Zebre car. One had more detail than the other, Egger-bahn used the less detailed version that did not have a clear plastic windscreen and the tyres on the wheels were the same light grey as the wheel centres. (The more detailed versions had black tyres and a plastic windscreen.)
The black Anguplas Model T car used by egger-bahn did have the clear plastic windscreen, but again had light grey tyres the same as the inner part of the wheel.)
It should also be noted that other manufactures later produced the same car models using the same moulding dies well into the 1990
Just in case anyone was wondering, this is the car manufacturer concerned...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Z%C3%A8bre
Brian
As ever your depth of knowledge never fails to amaze me. Any chance you could be persuaded to write up the full article on the stanchion wagons? (And any other Egger-bahn not yet yet given the full treatment!)
Malcolm
Quote from: Malcolm on March 27, 2018, 11:22
Brian
As ever your depth of knowledge never fails to amaze me. Any chance you could be persuaded to write up the full article on the stanchion wagons? (And any other Egger-bahn not yet yet given the full treatment!)
Malcolm
I stopped doing the Egger-bahn articles for 009 news because I felt that the interest was waning.
There can-not be many 009 members that care one jot about the colour of the wheel insulators or if the car is original or not, most just get them because they look good and the same applies to most of the variations within the Egger-bahn range.
The next one (part 15) should have been all about the four-wheel bogie wagons, but I never finished it. As well as declining interest one other reason for stopping was that there are a couple of variations of the four-wheel bogie vans that I do not have in my collection to photograph for the article! This would have made it a bit difficult. I had hopped to get these quite quickly, but sadly none have come up for sale! (This happens quite a lot with the more uncommon Egger items and more so as my 'wants' list get smaller and smaller.)
As the white mineral water van has an interesting back story I may well have separated the box vans and open bogie wagons from the tankers and ballast wagons that also have an interesting background and made two articles??
The one after that would have been about the four-wheel wagons, i.e. the box vans, the short open wagons and the milk wagon.
Next would probably had been the one about the stanchion wagon and the livestock wagon.
The final part would have been all about the track.
As well as the Egger-bahn articles I have also completed an in-detail article about the Jouef (not Egger) H0e range, complete with photos of all the range, I intended this for the 50th anniversary of the launch at the 1966 toy fair but in the end, I never sent it in to 009 News!
Since I typed the Egger articles I have found out more information so some corrections and additions are needed to the previous articles as well.
Brian Meldon
Brian, I would read and enjoy your articles as long as you worked so hard to prepare them.
Would it be possible to find a photo from another source if you are unable to get the wagons themselves?
Danny
The car looks correct but I can't see underneath it. The bogies have the detailed axle boxes. The model does not appeared to be tampered with. I was enjoying your articles in the 'News by the way.
Mal.
I always thought the stanchion wagons where the best Egger wagons produced, but alas they where a b----- to keep on the tracks.
Nice to look at but thats about all.
I am glad the hobby has moved on and likely to continue moving on, even when I am no longer around.
Stan.
Quote from: WALLSHIRTS on March 28, 2018, 01:11
I was enjoying your articles in the 'News by the way.
Same here Brian, the ones you have had published have very much become the "go to" authoritative references for Eggerbahn as well as being simply interesting and informative to read. I would very much appreciate and enjoy it if you decide that you are able to continue in the knowledge that it is clear that a number of members really did hold an interest in the articles.
I would also find it very interesting if the other parts of what is now termed to be "early 009/HOe" RTR products were covered in similar articles - Liliput and Roco certainly as they are still producing, original Minitrains and a bit about the history there - eg the "AHM" American side of things, plus of course Playcraft/Jouef.
If you are looking for something to fill your free time with, then there is certainly an audience (and probably an eager 009 News Editor) waiting for your attention!
Mick
Quote from: MickT on March 28, 2018, 11:26
Quote from: WALLSHIRTS on March 28, 2018, 01:11
I was enjoying your articles in the 'News by the way.
Same here Brian, the ones you have had published have very much become the "go to" authoritative references for Eggerbahn as well as being simply interesting and informative to read. I would very much appreciate and enjoy it if you decide that you are able to continue in the knowledge that it is clear that a number of members really did hold an interest in the articles.
I would also find it very interesting if the other parts of what is now termed to be "early 009/HOe" RTR products were covered in similar articles - Liliput and Roco certainly as they are still producing, original Minitrains and a bit about the history there - eg the "AHM" American side of things, plus of course Playcraft/Jouef.
If you are looking for something to fill your free time with, then there is certainly an audience (and probably an eager 009 News Editor) waiting for your attention!
Mick
I think if I recall I did an article for the News all about the inside frame Roco H0e locos??? I will have to look up the date but it was probably about 10 years ago now at least and I may know more now than I did then, and Roco have updated the chassis since then as well.
As to the Liliput H0e range its origins are very much tied into Egger-bahn with the first appearance of what became the Liliput Ziller plank sides coaches on the 1967 Egger-bahn stand at the Nuremberg toy fair!
I may well send the Jouef one into the news, I will have to give a read through again first and check all the photos are ok.
Brian Meldon
Quote from: danny on March 27, 2018, 22:55
Would it be possible to find a photo from another source if you are unable to get the wagons themselves?
Danny
Yes I have done this in the past when I did not have the correct item, but as it was a 1980's No5 it was easy to find someone with the right loco, but the bogie vans with the dark (not silver) roof are a bit thin on the ground, as are the green three plank open bogie wagons with the dark brown floor fitted.
Brian Meldon
Quote from: MickT on March 28, 2018, 11:26
Quote from: WALLSHIRTS on March 28, 2018, 01:11
I was enjoying your articles in the 'News by the way.
Same here Brian, the ones you have had published have very much become the "go to" authoritative references for Eggerbahn as well as being simply interesting and informative to read. I would very much appreciate and enjoy it if you decide that you are able to continue in the knowledge that it is clear that a number of members really did hold an interest in the articles.
I would also find it very interesting if the other parts of what is now termed to be "early 009/HOe" RTR products were covered in similar articles - Liliput and Roco certainly as they are still producing, original Minitrains and a bit about the history there - eg the "AHM" American side of things, plus of course Playcraft/Jouef.
If you are looking for something to fill your free time with, then there is certainly an audience (and probably an eager 009 News Editor) waiting for your attention!
Mick
I agree with Mick the articles you have had published have very much become the "go to" authoritative references for Eggerbahn as well as being simply interesting and informative to read. Whilst researching the P D Hancock collection they answered a number of questions I would otherwise never have found an answer to or, if I did, it would only have been after much searching on the net or finding another 'guru'. Again a short item you placed on Facebook [sorry wash mouth out with soap and water] on the Arnold chassis proved PDH had two of the earliest versions of the 0-6-0 chassis which has in turn helped us date more accurately the likely build date for Colin and Calum. I too would also find it very interesting if the other parts of what is now termed to be "early 009/HOe" RTR products were covered in similar articles but I appreciate there are only so many hours in the day and you have your own family life etc etc. but, if you could manage to put your research onto paper it would I am sure be of interest to many in the Society as well as being a reference work of note.
Malcolm
Brian. i too have read your articles with interest. i would love to read about and learn the history of 009/hoe products from he past. it is only through the understanding of history, that we learn and design/plan the future. would the likes of minitrains and bachmann have produced their fine models if they had not understood what was popular in the past and likely to be popular now? Paul.
Just to get back to the original theme of this thread here are a couple of photos of a train of these Egger wagons in the yard on my Westdorf layout taken on one of my 'Egger Days' when I take all the usual H0e stock off and run the layout with Egger-bahn and Jouef:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/797/41087481582_08e008f4b2_z.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/795/41087481742_412335c09e_z.jpg)
Brian Meldon
Thanks Brian. There's no "like" buttons on this forum, so please award yourself at least 2 stars to put on your CV just in case you ever want to get a job in McDonalds.
We've all made lots of banter aimed at you (guilty as charged M'Lud) over the years about "reverse curves" and "the dreaded Peco 12" 009 point" etc etc but please be assured that your in-depth historical knowledge about the 1st generation of 009/HOe RTR stuff in particular and your overall experience in the scale is genuinely very highly appreciated.
Hope you are able to get to NGS/009AGM next Saturday.
Mick
!!!!!!!!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Egger-Bahn-Black-Model-T-Ford-car-wagon-Very-Rare-Boxed/222902102590?hash=item33e6002a3e:g:K-gAAMXQfvlSg7Ak
Quote from: WALLSHIRTS on March 31, 2018, 16:00
!!!!!!!!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Egger-Bahn-Black-Model-T-Ford-car-wagon-Very-Rare-Boxed/222902102590?hash=item33e6002a3e:g:K-gAAMXQfvlSg7Ak
Yes I have seen that and it is a daft price!
The less detailed Anguplas Model T as used on the egger wagon cost about
Quote from: WALLSHIRTS on March 31, 2018, 16:00
!!!!!!!!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Egger-Bahn-Black-Model-T-Ford-car-wagon-Very-Rare-Boxed/222902102590?hash=item33e6002a3e:g:K-gAAMXQfvlSg7Ak
Holy Hand Grenade Batman! That's over the top. And here I thought some of his prices for the large Eggar boxvan were on the steep side.... That makes them seem reasonably priced in comparison.
That's a tasty three-way point there on Westdorf, Brian, and some nice rockery, too. Award yourself another star!
David.
Quote from: B.Meldon on March 28, 2018, 12:44
I think if I recall I did an article for the News all about the inside frame Roco H0e locos??? I will have to look up the date but it was probably about 10 years ago now at least and I may know more now than I did then, and Roco have updated the chassis since then as well.
Brian Meldon
It's OK Brian, no need to look it up, I dug it out myself - the article on the Roco HOe 0-6-0T and the 6 wh diesel locos were in two parts, in 009 News Vol 35/2 October 2007 pages 10-11 and Vol 35/3 November 2007 page 6
There was also an article by yourself published in the September 2007 issue (Vol 35/1) on improving the Liliput G Thommen 0-6-0T
Mick
Quote from: clayliner on March 31, 2018, 19:33
That's a tasty three-way point there on Westdorf, Brian, and some nice rockery, too. Award yourself another star!
David.
Thanks David.
It is a Peco standard gauge 00 three-way medium radius electrofrog point.
http://www.hattons.co.uk/7768/Peco_Products_SL_E99_3_way_medium_radius_point_electrofrog/StockDetail.aspx
As it happens it is the tightest radius curve on the entire standard gauge part of the layout!
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I have now sent in the article about the Jouef range.
Editor permitting it should start appearing in 009 News in the autumn. (There are over 4k words so it will be split into several parts.)
Brian Meldon
Thank you Brian.
Malcolm
Looking forward to the articles. It was a Jouef set that got me started in 009.
Mal.
Looking forward to it. Will it cover the Decauville loco?
Danny
Quote from: danny on April 07, 2018, 07:24
Looking forward to it. Will it cover the Decauville loco?
Danny
Yes, all four versions of the Jouef Decauville loco, the four different versions of the V skips, the three versions of the toastrack coach, the two versions of log wagon, all the track and the two pre-formed layouts. There are detailed photos of all the variations.
Brian Meldon
Quote from: B.Meldon on April 06, 2018, 11:17
I have now sent in the article about the Jouef range.
Editor permitting it should start appearing in 009 News in the autumn. (There are over 4k words so it will be split into several parts.)
Brian Meldon
Thank you Brian. While I have no direct interest in Eggerbahn, I have really enjoyed your articles and the light they shine on the earlier days of 009.
Julian