Hi.
I know the Bachnamm Skarloey is based on Talylynn No. 1. I've read that Bachmann got it wrong, putting coal on the right side, that the coal bunker was only on the left.
In the April '16 RM, David Malton describes grinding it off during his modding the Skarloey.
However, browsing through past News issues again, in the March 2016 issue (the one wit articles from the past I came across an article on lining, by Charlie Insley. There is a picture within the article, showing a 009 Talylynn No. 1, in lined red. It appears to have coal on the right side, like the Bachmann model. I'm guessing the model was a kit, or scratchbuilt, and wonder about why the coal on the right.
Did the No. 1 carry coal there, at some time in it's life, and the 'no coal' is more a modern version?
Thanks.
Jim F
Well the box on the right hand side in front of the cab was not always on the loco. Here is a photo taken before 1895 and there is no box.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/TalyllynBefore1895.jpg)
This next photo is from 1904 and shows the box and two pipes not on the previous photo going into the space where the coal would have been if it was ever in this location. However there is also some signs of paint damage to the boiler lagging under the dome that could have been caused by loading coal into this area.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Talyllyn1904.jpg)
(Originating web page for both photos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talyllyn_(locomotive) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talyllyn_(locomotive)) )
However I do not know the loco well enough to make any useful comments!
Brian Meldon
I believe the box on the front of the cab houses the screw reverser. The reversing quadrant below this would make access to any coal in the space ahead very difficult so it is unlikely to be a bunker by the time the second photo was taken.
My understanding is exactly as Rod says. The fireman operates on the left hand side of all Tal-y-llyn locos, and the driver the right, so the coal bunker is on the left, and the reversing gear passes to the right of the cab. It is convenient to standardise in this way, then you only need a coaling faciltiy on one side of the track at the sheds/stations etc.
Thanks folks.
That's enough to convince me the coal should go. Good thing, as I had actually already ground it off :)
Brian, thanks for the pics. In his RM article I mentioned, David installed had rails along the tank, where the white printed line was. I took these for just part of the lining, but was going to do as he did. The pictures might not show the horizontal line, but the definitely don't show any handrails, either. That change I had not done yet!
Jim F
It all depends on what era you are wishing to portray. Bear in mind that the position of the trailing axle is as per (relatively) recent preservation days and would be difficult (but not impossible) to relocate. I believe Tal-y-llyn has carried at least three different saddletanks, at least one being all welded and devoid of rivets. Different handrails and even a brass doorhandle appeared on the tank at different periods.
Rod,
Thanks for that. I'm not actually looking to build any (close) version of the Talylynn, just wanted to double check if that coal on the right side of the Bachmann model could have been there.
My layout will be fictional, so not worried about exact models of any given prototypes.
Even if I were modelling a particular railway, I still could get away with a lot, as not anyone over here, who might ever see the layout, would know what was or was not correct for it :)
Jim F
I think the handrail and narrow running plate were on the left side only, the ones on the right were fitted during the 1950's rebuild:
This photo dates to 1939 and the loco has no tank handrail or running plate on the right hand side:
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/talyllyn-steam-locomotive-class-042st-at-abergynolwyn-wales-1939-this-picture-id90748253)
Here is a 1938 photo that shows the handrail is fitted on the left but none on the right and the narrow running plate on the left side as well:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/68/1a/f4681a5a4d3f7740b68f6eb830c27408.jpg)
The 7mm scale drawing sold by the TR also only has a handrail on the left side off the tank:
(https://sites.create-cdn.net/siteimages/29/0/4/290444/94/5/0/9450709/400x231.jpg)
(Originating web page to purchase the drawing: http://www.talyllynrailwayshop.co.uk/ourshop/prod_3652399-Talyllyn-7mm-Scale-Loco-Drawing-250-including-postage.html )
Brian Meldon
Was there any reason to fit the other one in preservation other than because that's what most locos have?
Danny
Probbably good old 'elth n safety
Bear in mind that Dolgoch and (I think) Wharf water towers are both on the right hand side of the track, a right hand handrail would make it easier to both get the filler lid off and get the bag in.
Quote from: rod335 on March 10, 2018, 14:25
Bear in mind that Dolgoch and (I think) Wharf water towers are both on the right hand side of the track, a right hand handrail would make it easier to both get the filler lid off and get the bag in.
Were these re-sited after preservation as well? I'm just curious as I never even realised they originally had handrails only on one side.
Danny
Quote from: danny on March 09, 2018, 20:42
Was there any reason to fit the other one in preservation other than because that's what most locos have?
Danny
There were a lot of things that were not done correctly in the first 1957-58 by Gibbons Bros. Ltd. rebuild.
For example although the new boiler was provided with several fixing points for the frames as per the original these were cut off as Gibbons thought they were unnecessary. They did not realise that the boiler/firebox formed a major structural part of the loco and that the frames were secondary and attached to the boiler for additional strength. It took many years and several modifications to discover and sort out this error.
By the way No1