Hello, I am a new member to the 009 Society.
I am currently in the strange of planning my layout, I have an idea of what I want to do, but I am missing a vital part, the locomotives.
Now I am looking for Garratt type locomotives. I found the narrow gauge Garratt on the Backwoods Minitures site, but unfortunately it looks like he is no longer in business.
So that leaves what I can find on Shapeways
https://www.shapeways.com/product/558TYGH6C/oo9-southern-fuegian-railway-quot-nora-quot-garratt (https://www.shapeways.com/product/558TYGH6C/oo9-southern-fuegian-railway-quot-nora-quot-garratt)
And
https://www.shapeways.com/product/XRLXDF5Q8/hon30-g42-garratt-middle-unit?optionId=43339662&li=marketplace (https://www.shapeways.com/product/XRLXDF5Q8/hon30-g42-garratt-middle-unit?optionId=43339662&li=marketplace)
My question is this, has anyone successfully motorized either of these two? If so, what chassis did you use and how much fiddling did it take?
Or, does anyone have other recommendations on were to get a Garratt.
Thanks
I don't have experience with either. However, purely from looking at the pages I see that the Fuegian one is cheaper, tells you what chassis to use and appears to be the whole thing rather than the 'middle unit' as the other one says, so personally I would go for that one (quite tempted myself but I don't know what I'd use a Garratt for :) ). Somebody else might tell you how to wire the two chassis to run together. Presumably the Fuegian Garratt is slightly scaled up as I think the prototype is 50cm gauge.
Danny
Quote from: danny on March 04, 2018, 22:42
I don't have experience with either. However, purely from looking at the pages I see that the Fuegian one is cheaper, tells you what chassis to use and appears to be the whole thing rather than the 'middle unit' as the other one says, so personally I would go for that one (quite tempted myself but I don't know what I'd use a Garratt for :) ). Somebody else might tell you how to wire the two chassis to run together. Presumably the Fuegian Garratt is slightly scaled up as I think the prototype is 50cm gauge.
Danny
But it is very very small and imo not at all suitable for either 009 or HOe.
Garry
Quote from: danny on March 04, 2018, 22:42
... and appears to be the whole thing rather than the 'middle unit' as the other one says...
At the bottom of the page there are links under the heading "want to get a set?" which take to the front unit, rear unit, and another print with all the connecting rods. I thought perhaps the front and rear unit might give advice about the suggested mechanism, but not the case. Why don't you contact the seller?
@ Garry, when you say it
If you actually look up the real Southern Fuegian locos they are quite big on 50cm gauge but would be too small on 60cm. Does anyone have rough dimensions so we can find out if the model is scaled up for the larger gauge or if it is actually just a scale model with the gauge increased?
Danny
The brass Backwoods kits are indeed no longer in production they are also not at all easy to make, so unless you have experience making brass loco kits and chassis I would not recommend trying to make one yourself. If you do get it wrong there is now no chance of getting any replacement parts. They also have some unusual issues like there is no access to change the motor when built to the instructions. So most make modifications when building them.
As mentioned by Gary most of the older N gauge chassis are no longer in production. Those that are in production are quite expensive, like the Minitrains locos for example.
Then there is the issue of getting two chassis to run at the same speed with one going forward and the other in reverse. I have a couple of Garratt locos, one with scratch built power unit (tanks) and a GEM Douglas body kit as the central unit using the old Jouef 0-4-0
Welcome to the Society and the Forum Simon.
There is some information on the "South Fuegan" Garratt on the Railways of the Far South website here (http://www.railwaysofthefarsouth.co.uk/10ffcaflocos.html). As Garry has said as a miniature loco it may not be all that suitable for 009 use.
The other Shapeway's Garratt you have located is the Victoria Government Railway's G class - a 'full size' loco for 2' 6" gauge. The seller of the 'center section' also does the rest of the loco - front (https://www.shapeways.com/product/N2T7QRL3E/hon30-g42-garratt-front-unit?optionId=43535665)& rear (https://www.shapeways.com/product/ES4W2SYZT/hon30-g42-garratt-rear-unit?optionId=43339687) power units (i.e. tank and bunker) which iirc are designed to take the new Farish 08 chassis (to accommodate outside frames) and printed valve gear (https://www.shapeways.com/product/JR4Q4QAFH/hon30-g42-connecting-rods?optionId=40964541) (though how effective in use this would be I couldn't say). I must admit that I have been tempted but not having the funds available have not bought one (especially as I'd want to be awkward and go the the OO scale one which brings up chassis issues as the Farish 08 would then be too small to fit!) but then I don't think I have seen one 'in the flesh' to know how good the quality is (though I have seen photos of his NA class 2-6-2 Baldwin and it looks OK). The new Farish 08 locos are fairly widely available both new and second hand, though as Brian Meldon mentions you may have issues about getting a pair that will run well together (unless buying new and they will allow you to test them as a pair). As far as I know it is not possible to buy just the chassis, but the unwanted bodies can be sold on eBay for the
Thank you everyone for the input. Just a clear up a misconception, in am new to 009, but not to model railroading. I also have three DJH HO Garratts I have put together, so a backwoods one would be fun to put together if I could find one.
I am modelling freelance, have no specific timeframe in mind. But the 009 layout is to be a small beach and harbour scene.
@Garry, thank you for explaining why you don
Hey there Simon. I use https://www.tinkercad.com/ to make 3D print stuff for my model railway. It offers inches and mm. I have converted JPEG and GIF to SVG via https://picsvg.com/ . It comes out as a 3d outline. It is really easy to use and 3D print.
Quote from: Simon Duggan on March 05, 2018, 14:00
Thank you everyone for the input. Just a clear up a misconception, in am new to 009, but not to model railroading. I also have three DJH HO Garratts I have put together, so a backwoods one would be fun to put together if I could find one.
I am modelling freelance, have no specific timeframe in mind. But the 009 layout is to be a small beach and harbour scene.
@Garry, thank you for explaining why you don
I have recently made a Ki Garrett from the Golden Arrow kit purchased from the 009 sales list. I used two Fleischmann 7000 0-4-0 chassis to dive this loco I use DCC control on all my loco and have found that it is possible to get two cases to run in synchronisation by altering the start voltage on each chassis so that they both start to turn as soon as speed 1 is typed in on the handset. when this is done I then renumber both units to the same address so that they work as a single unite. I hope that this information may be of some help to any one with the same problem with out of synchronisation chassis.