I have one of these locos (from the motor it is 1980s - i.e. the second run of Jouef ones). I have always been curious about the chimney as it has a stovepipe chimney whereas others I have seen and pictures online have a large gold rim around the top. I would be interested if anyone knows why they would be different unless somebody has simply swapped (unscrewed and replaced) the chimney at some point. It is the original colour and is definitely a standard one not a Western loco.
Hi Danny,
I'm certainly no expert on these models and if wrong, I'm sure that Brian Meldon, who is an expert on them, will put things right!
Anyway:
I believe there were some green Egger number 5's so a green one would not necessarily mean it is a Wild West loco. The main difference not counting the cowcatcher and huge headlight on the western, is the cab rear, which has two square windows for the Egger number 5 and on the western there are two long narrow windows flanking a central door with window, so 3 windows total on the cab rear. Both the wild west loco and the (normally dark blue) number 5 have the number 5 embossed on the upper cab side to confuse matters!
I expect you know the difference between the chimneys: the western should have a large brass conical shaped spark arrestor whilst the number 5 loco has a European type chimney - straight stem with a large brass "washstand" type of spark arrestor at the top.
I don't think there was ever a production model of the number 5 with a stovepipe chimney. I suspect this is either the original, without the top "wash stand arrestor" which would make it quite a short stovepipe, or if it is a long one, then it probably came off the Egger No, 2 steam loco, later the modern Minitrains "Koppel". If it is a rather huge stovepipe it is probably one from the Modern Minitrains Krauss. All of these, to some degree are interchangeable.
Hope this helps
Mick
Thank you. It is dark blue and I suspect has the original chimney with the brass spark arrestor missing, as I think the chimney underneath may be the same as the no 2 loco. It can't be from a modern Minitrains loco as I acquired it several years before these went into production.
The blue Egger-bahn No 5 locos were sold with the chimney with the brass spark arrestor top. The lower part of the chimney was steel including the M2 threaded section.
Do post a photo but I think that your No 5 loco probably has the steel chimney from an Egger tram loco.
It was not unknown for Egger-bahn to make mistakes in manufacture or fit wrong or earlier parts when the supply of the correct later parts was exhausted. The problem is in most cases it is easy to create these so called factory
I don't have a photo to hand at the moment but here is a link to one Mick took some years ago: https://get.google.com/albumarchive/112461785190797901174/album/AF1QipN6WT9Nbq1J8Z1me-q_TUS0YwZkKAGvXiWAamvl/AF1QipOcXq4cBMkNTxoCeTe8hh4-724fMwv0ugEXf3Ne
This was when it could still do an entire exhibition single handedly - the motor brushes (I think) have worn out a bit since then. Bizarrely I think it does have the moulding fault despite having the 80s motor - although I seem to remember from your article Brian that some were made with left over older components?
It is a 1970's body on a 1980's chassis.
The chimney looks like a Western chimney that someone has turned in a lathe to look like a stove pipe and then painted black.
Brian Meldon
Quote from: B.Meldon on November 16, 2017, 16:29
It is a 1970's body on a 1980's chassis.
The chimney looks like a Western chimney that someone has turned in a lathe to look like a stove pipe and then painted black.
Brian Meldon
Am I to assume this was Jouef using up old components as opposed to somebody rebuilding a 70s loco? I'm not absolutely sure about the moulding fault but I think it is there. As can just about be seen in the photo the chimney is brass underneath.
If it has the moulding fault then it is a 1970's Jouef made body. (1968-1972 production.)
All the 1980's produced locos did not have the moulding fault.
The chassis, or perhaps just the motor in its plastic adapter cradle is from a 1980
Here are a couple of photos that will help to show the moulding fault I am on about:
First is a 1964-c1965 loco. This has no moulding fault, a gold EB on the tanks, Microperm chassis with metal rods and small separate square head couplings:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4543/38423512156_00e808d604_z.jpg)
This photo below is a 1970's Jouef produced loco that does have the fault in the moulding. It is a diagonal moulding line on the black section below the boiler cutting through the pipework and spring detail. This was only on all the Jouef produced No5 and Western locos made between 1968 and 1972. This loco also has the moulded in couplings, no gold on the EB and the 1968-1972 Jouef chassis.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4561/38423512306_42fa4ca1c3_z.jpg)
As well as the obvious moulding fault there were three other faults on the 1968-1972 boiler moulding, one was on the lid for the sand pot, the second was on the right hand side of the sand pot and the third was on the pipes on the right hand side of the smokebox. These were all corrected for the 1980's production run.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4564/38448087042_5f0866f27b.jpg)
Brian Meldon