009 Society Members Forum

Modelling => Locomotives => Topic started by: Tony Clarke on April 07, 2017, 14:48

Title: Kato 11-107 chassis
Post by: Tony Clarke on April 07, 2017, 14:48
I have built an A1 Models Bogie Boxcab kit No 9 which sits on a Kato 11-107 chassis. The chassis only seems to pick up power from the driven bogie. When I apply power to the wheels of the other bogie, it sometimes makes the motor turn and sometimes not. I cannot see how the power gets from the wheels to the motor. Can anyone help?

Tony Clarke
Title: Re: Kato 11-107 chassis
Post by: Steve Lewis on April 07, 2017, 18:17
Are  you  saying  that  when  you apply power  to  the  UNPOWERED bogie  you  get  an  occasional  response  from  the  motor?

If  so  it  proves  that   this  bogie  is  picking  up  power

In  a lot  of  cases  with  the  single  powered  bogie in a  Bo Bo chassis  the  powere transfer  form unpowered bogie to  motor  or PCB is by  means  of  brass  strips  which in  some  cases  are  hidden  by  the interior  ( this  is  the  case  in Farish N  & Bachmann 00 EMU  & DMUs)

The power from  the  actual wheels  is  usually transferred to  the  brass stips by  brass contacts on the  bogies which are  vertical (pointin upwards!) which press on  the   strips.  The  strips at the point  of  contact  are  usually slightly  springy  to  aid  good  contact as well

It  has  been found  that contact  can be erratic ,  and  the  fix  has  been  to  add  weight  to  the  non powered  end  such  as  a  lump of  lead
to make  the downward pressure on the contact points better

I am  not  saying  this  is  a solution  but  it  is  worth  investigating

Steve
Title: Re: Kato 11-107 chassis
Post by: jimowers on April 08, 2017, 07:45
The Kato chassis has strips the length of the chassis as a power bus as has been described. These chassis are very reliable in my opinion even though the power only goes through one bogie.

I would agree with Steve that you need to add a reasonable amount of lead to the loco using this chassis, especially if you are using a 3D printed body.
Title: Re: Kato 11-107 chassis
Post by: Steve Lewis on April 08, 2017, 09:02
I have  to  agree  re  the  Kato  reliability, in  my  opinion   still the  best 9mm  products  in  the  world  ( except  for  the  sometimes  difficulty in digitising  them!!)

I have   been  a  Kato N gauge  Japanese  outline user  since   the  early days  when  it  was  first  imported  by  MGSharp in Sheffield (long  gone)
These  days  excellent  prices  from  'Train-Tracks'

I would  say  though  that  I  have  never  encountered  anything  with a  B0 B0 mechanism  which did not collect   power  from  all wheels.
Title: Re: Kato 11-107 chassis
Post by: Hugh Norwood on April 08, 2017, 11:07
If I recall correctly, the actual pickup from the wheels is the metal bearings the axle pin-points fit in. These can fill up with gunk (especially hairs/fibres). I have had trouble getting the non-powered end to pick up current.
Title: Re: Kato 11-107 chassis
Post by: Tony Clarke on April 08, 2017, 18:21
Thank you for the responses. I agree that Kato chassis are very good especially for the price. I have a fair amount of lead on top of the chassis but will see whether I can bend the brass strips slightly

Tony Clarke