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Modelling => Digital Electrics & Control => Topic started by: Retiarius on March 19, 2015, 20:23

Title: Bachmann 36-556RA 90 degree decoders do not fit Roco H0e Hf110 & Mh.6 locos
Post by: Retiarius on March 19, 2015, 20:23
I have been trying to obtain two Roco 10735 DCC decoders, the ones with the 90 degree pins, to fit into my Roco Hf110c and Mh6 locos.

Having had a great deal of difficulty in obtaining them, they appear to be out of production, I thought that the Bachmann 36-556RA E-Z Command 90 Degrees 6 Pin DCC Decoder would do for now. It was larger that the Roco decoder but fitted nicely into the locos.

Having bought the Bachmann decoders I then find out that Roco reversed the pinouts on their locos so that only their decoders face the right way to allow the cab or tender bodies to fit! Either that or Bachmann are the culprits!

As Roco do not mark the number 1 pin on their loco sockets or chips you find this out the hard way when you cannot program the chip and the loco does not respond. It was only by using my ESU DCC decoder tester that I was able to verify this by comparison with a Roco chip without burning out the Bachmann chips.

It may be possible for my wife, who used to be an electronics technician, to remove the connector from the Bachmann units and resolder it onto the other side of the board to make it fit. This is not something I would try myself as my eyesight is just too poor to attempt it!

If anyone knows of a supplier of the Roco 10735 90 degree decoder I would very much appreciate a nod in their direction.
Title: Re: Bachmann 36-556RA 90 degree decoders do not fit Roco H0e Hf110 & Mh.6 locos
Post by: B.Meldon on March 20, 2015, 09:50
They are no longer listed on the Roco Europe web site so as you say they are not available at the moment. (They only list the straight pin version for H0e and I think this may be for the electric loco?)

http://www.roco.cc/en/productsearch/0-0-0-0-0-0-0-004002/products.html

However I think that Roco USA still list them as in stock:

http://www.roco.com/grid/Roco/Roco%20Digital.aspx

Brian Meldon
Title: Re: Bachmann 36-556RA 90 degree decoders do not fit Roco H0e Hf110 & Mh.6 locos
Post by: Retiarius on April 16, 2015, 11:00
I was informed on another forum that the original Roco decoder used was made by Kuehn, and you can still order it at http://www.kuehn-digital.de/lokdecoder01.html. It's the one with article no 81340 and at ~30
Title: Re: Bachmann 36-556RA 90 degree decoders do not fit Roco H0e Hf110 & Mh.6 locos
Post by: Allscales on January 01, 2016, 13:50
Interesting... I bought one from Gaugemaster earlier this year! Around April I think. They are the Roco/Fleischmann importers these days..

I also noticed that they are the other way around from the Bachmann chips, but I managed to check first before buying. I had already worked out which was pin 1 on the Roco decoders as one of my Mh's uses a six pin chip with wires and plug... Much cheaper! The other has a proper Roco chip, but that was before I had worked it out..
Title: Re: Bachmann 36-556RA 90 degree decoders do not fit Roco H0e Hf110 & Mh.6 locos
Post by: Retiarius on January 01, 2016, 15:02
I should say that I did get the Kuehn chip and it fits and works exactly the same as the Roco chip.
Title: Re: Bachmann 36-556RA 90 degree decoders do not fit Roco H0e Hf110 & Mh.6 locos
Post by: Steve Lewis on June 08, 2017, 17:41
This  is  probably  a  little  late  in  the  day  But  for  info  I  have  digitised  several  ROCO 0-6-0 Feldbahn  & 0-8-0+TT  Engarths

I simply  take  a  standard  6 pin  decoder  and  carefully  bend   the  pins   by  holding  them  securely  with  a  pair  of  long  nosed  small pliers  and  applying  gentle pressure  to  the  decoder  to   obtain a not  quite  90'  bend in  the  pins  I have  never  actually  measured  the  actual  angle obtained  it  is  probably  about  100',  this  allows  the  decoder  to  fit  the  socket  and  the   cab  or  tender body to be  refitted.

I was  naturally a  little  concerned at  first  when  doing  this,  but  everyone  I  have  done  continues  to  function  fine.