Dear all.
I bought some time ago 2 ROCO HOe chassis , outside frame with the idea they could be useful.
I can see they might be handy under a Russell or say a Sierra Leone Hunslet ex Welshpool. Other than that I'm struggling . Any ideas welcomed on suitable uses ?
Many thanks Dave .
Hi David
They can be used under a Russell or SL 2-6-2 however the rear part of the chassis makes fitting the rear pony truck a bit difficult.
Also be warned that some have had problems with these chassis when used with bodies that are heavier than the original or when they get a lot of use. (Or both!) That said my ones that were purchased not long after they were first produced still work fine in original form.
Given the choice I think I would use the Graham Farish 08 outside frame 0-6-0 in a Russell kit with added valve gear and sell the Roco items. The chances are you will make a profit! But others may think otherwise.
Brian Meldon
IMHO Pretty much anything with a 6 wheel outside frame chassis in the 2' to 2' 6" gauge range. ;)
Related to Russel and the Sierra Leone Hunslets would be the 0-6-2 "Leeds No.1", and there was also some variation in the SLGR 2-6-2s (the first batches had smaller diameter boilers and the steam dome in a different place IIRC). "Delta' class 2-6-2T from Bagnall, supplied to Egypt and also India, various 6-coupled tanks and tender locos supplied to the Burma Mines Railways. Cambeltown & Macrihanish Barclay 0-6-2 may be another possibility. There were also a number of 6-coupled locos in that gauge range that went to Africa (SAR had a number of 4-6-2 and 2-6-4 tanks for example). Leek & Manifold Kitsons...
I can probably go on... and on! ::)
As you have 2 chassis how about a garratt? The Victoria Govt Rly 2' 6" gauge pair (2-6-0+0-6-2) might be possible though may need some modification to get the motor and the cylinders at the same end of each chassis. Another thought for a pair of chassis are the FCAB Kitson Meyers, one 2-6-6-2 and the other an odd 2-6-6-4 that did not perform that well but both had outside frame power bogies. You could also do a Mallet, but most of those in the gauge range we are interested in tended to have mixed (outside at the back, inside at the front) frames as far as I can tell.
If you haven't guessed by now I think that my problem if I had a pair of Roco OSF 0-6-0 chassis would be too much inspiration as opposed to not enough! :D
Essentially I'd suggest having a look at the range of body kits available via Parkside Dundas and if it needs a 6-coupled chassis then you can probably modify it to fit one of your Roco chassis. There are a couple that come to mind (WD Baldwin and Cyprus locos) that the real things had inside frames, but that's not to say that something like one of the Cyprus 2-6-0 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/julien_webb/16617604146/in/set-72157650571838847) tender locos or 2-6-2 tanks could not be put on a roco chassis for a freelance loco.
If scratch building is an option for you then just trawl the internet for inspiration. The body can easily be built from styrene sheet (plasticard) with a plastic or metal tube for the boiler. Boiler fittings can be problematic if you do not have a stash of spares built up over the years, but sourcing 3 mm scale parts can be quite useful, as can contacting the 009 kit makers to see if they can sell you some spares. It's also surprising what can be made up from odds and ends - steam domes from pen lids, anyone?
Dear Brian and Julien,
That's a very big thanks to you both. Quite an inspirational list of ideas and plenty to look at. I have a cut down Russell kit so that might be one use , and a L&M Kitson kit. So there might now indeed be some use.
As regards the WD Baldwin I might also consider this, although as the ROCO is outside frame I wonder, but will take a look.
Thanks Gents very helpful
Tebee's 3d printed body for the W&L 0-6-0's use this chassis but you need to make the footplate
https://www.shapeways.com/product/WY2F7UCRQ/oo9-w-l-loco?optionId=43643642&li=ostatus
Quote from: David Prime on March 05, 2015, 23:18
Dear Brian and Julien,
That's a very big thanks to you both. Quite an inspirational list of ideas and plenty to look at. I have a cut down Russell kit so that might be one use , and a L&M Kitson kit. So there might now indeed be some use.
As regards the WD Baldwin I might also consider this, although as the ROCO is outside frame I wonder, but will take a look.
Thanks Gents very helpful
The other WD related thought would be the Meridian Alco 2-6-2 as the prototype had outside bar frames...
Thanks chaps.
Now I do like the idea of the Alco. I also would have considered the Shapeways Welshpool locomotive but I have built an old Golden Arrow kit of The Earl. I've taken a look a the shapeways site and the model shown doesn't for me capture the Welshpool locomotive somehow. But it must be just the way I'm looking at it? As an Alco option the Ffestiniog Mountaineer on the other hand seems a good idea. Looking at some photographs on the internet I can see how the ROCO might work here . If I knew how to post pictures on this site we could take a look.
Another idea is following the thread of - manning wardles , Kerr Stuart or Hunslet as manufactured for overseas railways . Right now my vote is with Mountaineer and my cut down Russell.
Thanks for all your help. If I can work out how to post pictures I'll do so.
Thanks Dave .
Hello David.
I think you are coming to Rainford on 18th April to help Bob.
Why not bring the chassis along and you maybe able to compare the chassis with some kits on display.
There will be plenty of modellers there who will point you in the right direction.
Stan.
That's a nice idea Stan and thank you. Yes you are right I'm helping out on the Barnstsple Town section of Bob Barnards layout and hopefully will be bringing some of my L&B stock along.
See you at the show.
Just to save anybody the agony and disappointment I have bought an Alco Mountaineer on e bay. The ROCO chassis will not fit as I see it. The chassis however seems good for the Russell.
However if anybody has used the ROCO for. Mountaineer would be good to know what surgery was involved.
Some progress with Russell. I had an old unused kit of the Chivers cut down model. Very quickly in one evening it's taking shape and the ROCO chassis looks promising
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Looks right.
As mentioned the pony trucks are a bit of a pain using this chassis on Russell. I have seen them left off altogether or modelled as fixed without the lower part of the flanges and the wheels not quite touching the rails.
As well as the mounting problems the pony truck wheels should be inside the frames and this will restrict the movement and the minimum radii the model can get round.
Without the rear pony truck to mount it on the rear coupling overhang can be a problem as well.
However many of these problems are far less if you have 18 inch points and curves.
I would also try to limit the weight on this chassis by using plastic rather than the cast metal where you can at the back end. This will help reduce the ware on the chassis and help to balance the weight on the driving wheels.
Brian Meldon
Thanks for the tips Brian. I am at "pondering stage " over the two pony trucks. So far so good and I'm pleased the ROCO chassis is a good fit for Russell. This kit has been in my box of unmade kits for must be 20 years .
I'll post more news as it progresses. Sometimes I find a way around the problem by stepping back from it for a while as we all do. That's half the fun of making these kits.... I could of course cheat and model Russell as she was at the end of her career , post WHR!! I think by then the pony wheels were removed but that's not my preference. Persevere Lad !! Onwards and upwards !