Just seen that Bachmann have announced a 009(?) Skarloey 'to run on N gauge track, minimum recommended radius 11.25" with a RRP of $149.00.
It would appear that this is in the 'Thomas and Friends' range and is heralded as 'the first' of the range. Interestingly, Peco L & B wagons appear to be being offered (with no branding) as suitable rolling stock.
OMy 3 yo grandson Benjy will be very excited about this so I may have to try and buy one! He already loves my trains, a good prospect for the future.
Grandad George
Do you know if it's going to be to scale, allowing it to be adapted to make a model of 'Talyllyn'?
My guess is that there will be further announcements about this Bachmann product shortly.
But please note that Bachmann can-not sell
Yep, Hornby still have that license.
My guess, going by the Bachmann oo TTTE range, is that it'll be over scale. Potentially a useful chassis though if stocks can be found or sent to the UK.
Here is a Bachmann new product video:
https://youtu.be/n_14zS58pkc?t=16m35s
Brian Meldon
I have heard from a reliable trade source that the loco IS 4mm scale. From photos I have seen of the engineering prototype, it is an accurate model of Talyllyn, even the jumper cables on the cab back are depicted. Surely it is more than likely that Bachmann UK will merely paint it green and fit a proper smokebox door and then sell it as Talyllyn? Bit silly if they are able to and don't.
have watch the vid
it comes across to me that's its a UK model which Bachmann USA have taken & added a face but Bachmann uk have not anounst it yet
I agree with Rod, IF it is 4mm scale then it will be a golden opportunity for the UK market that surely Bachmann can't miss!
Mick
This could be an interesting concept - A scale model of Talyllyn sold by Bachmann UK that has an "Undetailing Pack" containing the plastic face for the smokebox, stickers for the saddletanks ("Skarloey"), etc. to turn the scale model into a children's toy just to get around the licencing involved with the late Rev Wilbert Vere Awdry's works...
Quote from: MickT on October 27, 2015, 12:08
I agree with Rod, IF it is 4mm scale then it will be a golden opportunity for the UK market that surely Bachmann can't miss!
Mick
The chap on the video said it was HO scale so it is probably 3.5mm:1foot
Quote from: jimowers on October 28, 2015, 09:44
Quote from: MickT on October 27, 2015, 12:08
I agree with Rod, IF it is 4mm scale then it will be a golden opportunity for the UK market that surely Bachmann can't miss!
Mick
The chap on the video said it was HO scale so it is probably 3.5mm:1foot
Do most Americans know what OO scale
is?
The chap in the video did seem to be having problems with knowing the difference between
wheelbase (distance between the wheel centers) and
gauge (distance between the rails on the track that said wheels run on) which I thought was a fairly fundamental concept to get wrong. Also, the model apparently runs on N
Scale (not gauge) track ::)
Yes, you are right he was very muddled in his thinking but he did actually say HO and it is an Am,erican product here rather than a UK one and so is more likely to to be HO. Hope that makes sense.
As I have said before, I have been reliably informed by an unimpeachable trade source that the loco IS 4mm scale. The Bachmann guy refers to it, as does their catalogue, as HO because the Americans have no understanding of 00 scale. Once again, it IS 4mm scale.
As its an imaginary loco it could be any scale... And since when has the difference between OO and HO made any differnce to many "009" modellers?!
Stop getting knickers in a twist, folks!! ;D
I note that the presenter in the video said that the product originated from "Bachmann UK".
An 0-4-2 chassis could cover quite a few prototypes and if can be cut down to remove the trailing wheels then it could be used for a lot of outside cylinder 0-4-0 models as well.
I was only clarifying something about which there has been much speculation. Whether there is any point to that speculation I couldn't possibly say....
Hobby: Ahh - but the whole point is it isn't an imaginary locomotive - it is Tal-y-llyn in a disguise, and as such would be a valuable addition to 009 modelling! :)
Quote from: Hobby on October 28, 2015, 12:43
As its an imaginary loco it could be any scale... And since when has the difference between OO and HO made any differnce to many "009" modellers?!
Stop getting knickers in a twist, folks!! ;D
Absolutely!
The loco plus two vans and a wagon appear in the Bachmann on-line store and they're all HO,the loco is die-cast and is $149 and the vans and wagon $63. It does mean Skarloey" would be quite a bit smaller than a 009 "Talyllyn", 10mm shorter and approx 3mm narrower.
I hope this answers at least some of the speculation.
Alas it is not over until the fat lady sings... It has shown as $149 and coming soon on Bachmann USA for ages. I have signed up to be notified and no news as yet. Thought they may release it for Christmas, hey ho.
Quote from: narrowmind on November 05, 2015, 12:31
The loco plus two vans and a wagon appear in the Bachmann on-line store and they're all HO,the loco is die-cast and is $149 and the vans and wagon $63. It does mean Skarloey" would be quite a bit smaller than a 009 "Talyllyn", 10mm shorter and approx 3mm narrower.
I hope this answers at least some of the speculation.
The wagon and van are made for Bachmann by Peco here in the UK and are in fact the 009 L&B wagons just re-painted!
I have been told that the loco has indeed been made over scale. If anything I think it may well be slightly larger than 4mm to the foot scale! But we will have to wait to see if that is the case.
Brian Meldon
Quote from: narrowmind on November 05, 2015, 12:31
The loco plus two vans and a wagon appear in the Bachmann on-line store and they're all HO,the loco is die-cast and is $149 and the vans and wagon $63. It does mean Skarloey" would be quite a bit smaller than a 009 "Talyllyn", 10mm shorter and approx 3mm narrower.
I hope this answers at least some of the speculation.
This is , I'm sure incorrect. Bachmann are using a marketing ploy.
It is described as "HO" only to ensure US domestic sales, to describe it otherwise would kill it stone dead on the US home market. All the information we have -- including from those who have actually seen and handled the pilot model ( at this year's Narrow Gauge Convention ) is that it is 4mm scale & of course it is already well known that the van and open wagon are in fact the Peco 009 L&B products , which Peco are manufacturing on behalf of Bachmann.
Garry
Thank you for posting this Garry. Those of us who are actually informed, rather than those who are only speculating, have known for a long time that this loco will indeed be 4mm scale, whenever it eventually arrives. It would be pointless advertising it as '00' in the US as hardly anyone would know what that meant.
Quote from: rod335 on November 05, 2015, 13:28
Thank you for posting this Garry. Those of us who are actually informed, rather than those who are only speculating, have known for a long time that this loco will indeed be 4mm scale, whenever it eventually arrives. It would be pointless advertising it as '00' in the US as hardly anyone would know what that meant.
Rather than going round in circles let's all wait until it is released.
The Bachmann Skarloey is available to purchase now on the Bachmann US web store:
(https://forum.009society.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.bachmanntrains.com%2Fimages%2FHO_Scale%2F58601.jpg&hash=14740d1684fecea3227639be0746185564b91b45)
http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_259_972&products_id=5898
I am sure that other US model shops will also have it listed in stock today.
The photo above is of a full production example. (Note the rivet detail and the gloss finish including the coal!)
What we all need now is someone to take a ruler to it to see what scale it is.
Brian Meldon
But read the terms & conditions ---- because of licensing issues Bachmann USA will not ship this item to UK customers.
Garry
Quote from: garrywhiting on December 10, 2015, 09:18
But read the terms & conditions ---- because of licensing issues Bachmann USA will not ship this item to UK customers.
Garry
As per http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=conditions&zenid=1ootb96dliv7di1qljn39sr847 the United Kindom is
not on the list of countries that Thomas and Friends
Quote from: JulienW on December 10, 2015, 09:51
Quote from: garrywhiting on December 10, 2015, 09:18
But read the terms & conditions ---- because of licensing issues Bachmann USA will not ship this item to UK customers.
Garry
As per http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=conditions&zenid=1ootb96dliv7di1qljn39sr847 the United Kindom is not on the list of countries that Thomas and Friends
Simples !!
Get in touch with Kevin, in the US. or Jeff. B.
Stan.
You could try McLaren Models in Central Scotland. They can arrange pre-order.
I've tried contacting them but had nothing back. Have also looked on their website but can't find the loco only the wagons.
I rang them. I think it is a shop so try during shop hours.
Thanks.
I'd sent an email (via the website) but will give them a call on Monday.
I have heard that it will not be available in the UK but will be in Europe. This I believe is due to copyright which is held be the family. I am in Canada and have one on the way from the USA. If anyone has better information could you post it?
David Elliott Victoria Canada
Quote from: theelliotts on December 14, 2015, 05:32
I have heard that it will not be available in the UK but will be in Europe. This I believe is due to copyright which is held be the family. I am in Canada and have one on the way from the USA. If anyone has better information could you post it?
David Elliott Victoria Canada
Bachmann USA will not ship this item to UK resident purchasers --- this is because of licensing -- in the UK, Hornby hold the license to produce OO/HO scale models of the Thomas the Tank Engine range & associated products.
No doubt it will become available in the UK but not officially from Bachmann --- there will be ways & means to circumvent the licensing prohibition,
Garry
I think we have already been through this and grey imports from people such as McLaren Models are on their way
Have now got some measurements. Rail to top of chimney 35mm. Wheelbase 16mm. length over buffers 74mm. Width overall 22mm. So, as previously stated, loco IS 4mm scale based on the present appearance and size of the prototype.
It is perhaps a bit ironic that it would appear that the first 4mm scale 009 mas-produced ready to run loco is not only a Thomas character but it is marketed by its manufactures as H0 scale!
It is strange how things work out
This is causing a bit of a confusion. Bachmann have designated it as HO because if they used OO no one in the USA would know what scale it was. I have ordered one direct from Bachmann but at the recommended retail price, it is quite a bit less through retail stores in the US. This is normal. I will just need to find, or make, a smoke box door, do a repaint and get name plates. Any iders as to the later?
David Elliott
Victoria BC Canada
If you have ordered one direct from Bachmann USA then that is a surprise as the website prevents you from doing so unless you have an address outside the UK. It is certainly not available on Bachmann Europe either.
David did give his address as Canada.
Sorry, eyesight is not what it was! Yes, it is OK in N. America but not for UK addresses.
Quote from: theelliotts on December 14, 2015, 16:44
This is causing a bit of a confusion. Bachmann have designated it as HO because if they used OO no one in the USA would know what scale it was. I have ordered one direct from Bachmann but at the recommended retail price, it is quite a bit less through retail stores in the US. This is normal. I will just need to find, or make, a smoke box door, do a repaint and get name plates. Any iders as to the later?
David Elliott
Victoria BC Canada
Hello David,
you could try Narrow Planet for nameplates.
http://shop.narrowplanet.co.uk/
Cheers
Richard
Don't quote me, but I think members may be able to acquire one through Members' Sales in the not too distant future, so don't rush out and buy one from lesser suppliers just yet!
David.
Steven
Thanks, I have ordered trough the TR.
David
For those who are interested, Chris Ward http://www.cwrailways.com/ (http://www.cwrailways.com/) has created a face for Skarloey which will be available very soon. He is in the process of running off a batch in the next day or so.
It looks pretty good from the picture he sent me downloaded from the drawing app which he has said I could share on the forum.
(https://forum.009society.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu435%2Frefinocio%2FSkarloey-Smokebox-Door_zpsiodjwuti.jpg&hash=0e87a174f142fe4a4242e0514ee11015e23ba264)
As I mentioned to someone else who has done a similar item, on the NGRM Forum, Tal-y-llyn does not have this style of smokebox door fastening! (Although it may be appropriate to the 1930's?).
See this photo of Tal-y-llyn and Dolgoch:
(https://forum.009society.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.talyllyn.co.uk%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fmain%2Fimg%2FJuly-Larry.JPG&hash=9c6091faf2478669a36ec856ac533957a24a486c)
Well, we would not want to upset any rivet counters would we.
3D printing is so easy because you only have to ask nicely and Chris has changed his design.
(https://forum.009society.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu435%2Frefinocio%2FSkarloey-Smokebox-Door-03_zpsgx446nyf.jpg&hash=b27df5dbeb3be8a18a62409e7a1685cf057af826)
That was a quick change!!!
To all who have the engine already - how good is it performing? (slow speed, contact problems, going over points and so on)
If you want to go it alone, look here.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LNFCDM&P=FB&Q=1
Very nice lady on 'phone included the $14 discount, I'm having one elivered to my brother-in-law in Maine for the equivalent of
Quote from: jimowers on January 14, 2016, 13:19
(https://forum.009society.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu435%2Frefinocio%2FSkarloey-Smokebox-Door-03_zpsgx446nyf.jpg&hash=b27df5dbeb3be8a18a62409e7a1685cf057af826)
Chris Ward has now gone into production with the final design and orders are beginning to build.
If you want one then you can find them at: http://www.cwrailways.com/009-ng.html (http://www.cwrailways.com/009-ng.html)
The cost is 90p each +