At the Rainhill show last week i picked up a Worsley Works WW1 Dick Kerr petrol loco 4 mm scale
the wheel base on the real locos were 5'6'' which is 22mm in 4mm looking around for a chassis i can across from B-train that is 24mm which for me is close anought
link to chassis
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351229521894?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351229521894?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
& here are photos of both sides of the etch
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I will be makig a start once the chassis arrives from Japan
but I can pop out all thoughs rivits before if i get time
I just need now is some axel gards & springs
I know ther will be problems with the wheels & chassis compared to the real loco But this is for Dean (my 11 year old son)he is in to the 1st world war at the moment so this is to be a cheap build just to give him a WW1 loco to use on my new layout
so far the loco has cost under
well tonight i have had a Riviting Time poping out the rivets on the etch
the tools i use are i hard steal pin in either a wood block or pin vice & a small hammer
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heres a riverting video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrJhPMC0nCI&feature=youtu.be
& after 380 etch rivets hit twice
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In todays post arrived the chassis from japan
So i hope to start soldering up the body over the weekend
:o You have a lot more patience than I would have doing all that riveting. Well done!
Quote from: hughn on December 13, 2014, 14:52
:o You have a lot more patience than I would have doing all that riveting. Well done!
As i do this all the time I get in to a rythm tap tap tap tap tap the time just flys
Well tonight i have built up the body I still need to make the detail bits like the axle boxes etc
I form the cerves around assorted rods to get the right shape
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here are the parts ready to solder togetter
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next i solded on handels to the bonit hatches
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I solded up the parts in to 3 sub parts using 183 deg solder
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I then solded the 3 sub part togetter using 70 deg solded apart from the frames to the cab buffer beam wear i used 183 deg solded
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iI added a lip in the cab door to stop the chassis from sliding to far into the body
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end of part 1 of 2
with the chassis i removed the coupling from one end & cut the chassis hard againce the screw mount i also filed the detail off the chassis sides
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& here are some photos of the loco on its chassie
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thats it for now
For detailing my model I used PC Models etch for BR door handles which contains excellent hinges and what looks like the type of latch that secured the panels - they did not use the type of handles you have modelled.
Also the remains of the trolley pole gear which is a feature of these locos is nicely represented by the valve assembly which comes free with old expended gas lighters which you can find littered around pub doorways etc. Break open the top of the lighter and remove all the gubbins and you will see the bits I mean. They almost seem to have been made for the job.
If you cant find a suitable lighter I can post you a few.
There is also a T bar channel with lifting rings that runs across the top, supported by a round bar that goes down each side and fixes at the midway point between the axles. The panel behind this does not open. There is another engine access panel on top of the bonnet which is not often shown, but as the viewers of our models will mostly see the loco from above it should be modelled. I believe there is a suitable oblong piece in the Worsely etch for this. I think it has some sort of filler cap, but maybe others can tell you more about this.
I would like to know whether these locos were glazed or not, so hopefully that too will be answered. ;)
That's nice, Brian. A very neat job, with all the curves and sub-assemblies. Good idea that two-stage approach with low melt solder for final assembly. I rather like the riveting scene - it's done quickly and cleanly, not a lot of curvature in the brass afterwards. I expect you could simply tweak it straight before cutting the pieces out of the fret.
The end result is very clean on the outside, since you did most of the soldering inside the body.
Quote from: DeadHorse on December 14, 2014, 02:15
For detailing my model I used PC Models etch for BR door handles which contains excellent hinges and what looks like the type of latch that secured the panels - they did not use the type of handles you have modelled.
Also the remains of the trolley pole gear which is a feature of these locos is nicely represented by the valve assembly which comes free with old expended gas lighters which you can find littered around pub doorways etc. Break open the top of the lighter and remove all the gubbins and you will see the bits I mean. They almost seem to have been made for the job.
If you cant find a suitable lighter I can post you a few.
There is also a T bar channel with lifting rings that runs across the top, supported by a round bar that goes down each side and fixes at the midway point between the axles. The panel behind this does not open. There is another engine access panel on top of the bonnet which is not often shown, but as the viewers of our models will mostly see the loco from above it should be modelled. I believe there is a suitable oblong piece in the Worsely etch for this. I think it has some sort of filler cap, but maybe others can tell you more about this.
I would like to know whether these locos were glazed or not, so hopefully that too will be answered. ;)
I have a copy of the Book WDLRAlbum which i am using for the detail
The door handels are wrong I know but I am building this as a quick build as its a Xmas pressy for & 11 year old son at the moment he wants to watch any thing there is on TV about WW1 so this loco is just to give him something that looks like a WW1 loco for him to run on my new layout onec there is track down in the new year
I have some etches left over from some MK1 coaches that i will be using for the hingers I have to also make up the lifting link
Quote from: Mozzer on December 14, 2014, 12:14
I have a copy of the Book WDLRAlbum which i am using for the detail
The door handels are wrong I know but I am building this as a quick build as its a Xmas pressy for & 11 year old son at the moment he wants to watch any thing there is on TV about WW1 so this loco is just to give him something that looks like a WW1 loco for him to run on my new layout onec there is track down in the new year
I have some etches left over from some MK1 coaches that i will be using for the hingers I have to also make up the lifting link
Its too good for him - give it to me. I have been a good boy all year honest I have. :angel:
Quote from: tedp on December 14, 2014, 10:02
That's nice, Brian. A very neat job, with all the curves and sub-assemblies. Good idea that two-stage approach with low melt solder for final assembly. I rather like the riveting scene - it's done quickly and cleanly, not a lot of curvature in the brass afterwards. I expect you could simply tweak it straight before cutting the pieces out of the fret.
The end result is very clean on the outside, since you did most of the soldering inside the body.
Thasnks Ted
Deadhorse he says he will fight you for it ;D :police: :angel:
Well I have now finished all the soldering on the loco I still need to make some axlegards out of micro strip & glue on the brass hingers
awating couplings
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& here are some photos of the loco after it having a wash on some track
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I see you used the same coupling castings I used in my steeplecab electric loco.
That chap sitting down seems to be a little worse for wear.
here are my axel boxes
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I seemed to have lost the etch of hingers so the loco is not to have them fitted
The loco is now in gray Primmer & tomorrow i hope to paint the body in Humbrol matt 26
heres how it looks in gray primmer
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today i have given the body a coat of khaki paint with the air brush
the paints dry so taken some photos
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Very nice indeed Brian, it has come together well.
The lad should be well pleased with that I think!
Frank
Found some of Great Grandads old photos
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Nice, in that sepia tone! They look like old photos indeed.
The styrene axleboxes make quite a difference. What's that thing on the bonnet? A lifting spreader?
Quote from: tedp on December 15, 2014, 21:41
Nice, in that sepia tone! They look like old photos indeed.
The styrene axleboxes make quite a difference. What's that thing on the bonnet? A lifting spreader?
Thank tad thats what i was going for
as to the thing on the bonnet in the WDLR Album in one photo the loco is been lifted by it
Thank you for posting all this - it is shocking to see (near the end) how small the loco actually is after seeing so many immaculately-detailed close-up shots!
Today Dean has been running his OO9 locos
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A possible junior member? He looks like having fun. ;D
a Quick update on Deans loco it now has a driver & has been weathered
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